How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline (Page 11) yawaar: thanks for sharing FILTH..its very informative. it is sad that the phony republican running for president thinks they know more than the scientists. the fact is they run with AIPAC money and they have to pay allegiance to bibi and his agenda or they will be short of cash to run the campaign. (Edited by yawaar)  davidk14: . Iran can have nukes in ten years. No one disbelieves this. Iran will try to use a nuke on Israel and anyone else that is not Islamic. Even low information folks like Filth and yawaar understand this There are issues with the treaty such as that they do not have to destroy anything that makes nuclear materials for bombs. No inspectors will be able to view military nuclear sites. And the worst part of the negotiations....If anyone tries to stop Iran from producing a bomb, the US will protect Iran. I can not understand why morons like you believe that Iran will abide by any agreement. This administration is the worst administration in US history. . SWlNE: So you have nothing credible to dispute on the letter. Understood. Your opinion is once again noted. davidk14: . All I have is the negotiations and the facts. According to the negotiations which no one disputes, Iran can have nuclear bombs in ten years. That is fact...not fantasy. That is not opinion. That is fact. Like I said before, low information folks like you are like....lemmings. . SWlNE: Looks for negotiations, looks for facts. Saw none. Now do you care to quote what you disagree with and refute in the letter or care to continue with empty statements. I posted the link in previous posts for ease of reference. davidk14: . I read your links and no facts in the links. All that they said was that they support the administration. Lemmings. No facts. Just lemmings. You know what that feels like....being a lemming....right? The fact of the deal is that in ten years.....a short decade away....Iran will have a nuke. Even a Obama lemming...US Senator Chuck Schumer, a ranking Democrat and up until now, a leading lemming of the Obama doctrine, does not support the deal with Iran. He has had enough of this administrations keystone cops. I never thought I'd see that day that Schumer would turn on his master. But it happened and that's amazing. Very telling. . SWlNE: You either didn't read the letter or you skimmed through it without focusing on what is said as it went further than just saying they give support. I will give you an example: 1) It limits the level of enrichment of the uranium that Iran can produce, the amount of enriched uranium it can stockpile, and the number and kinds of centrifuges it can develop and operate. 2) This agreement bans reconversion and reprocessing of reactor fuel, it requires Iran to redesign its Arak research reactor to produce far less plutonium than the original design, and specifies that spent fuel must be shipped out of the country without the plutonium being separated and before any significant quality can be accumulated. Had you read it, you'd see they addressed your statement: 3)Some have expressed concern that the deal will free Iran to develop nuclear weapons without constraint after ten years. In contrast we find that the deal includes important long-term verification procedures that last until 2040, and others that last indefinitely under the NPT and its Additional Protocol. There are other key points in the letter. Can you position your points to refute the statements made in the letter that supported the deal and the recommendations made? Focus. davidk14: . Filth said: You either didn't read the letter or you skimmed through it without focusing on what is said as it went further than just saying they give support. I will give you an example: 1) It limits the level of enrichment of the uranium that Iran can produce, the amount of enriched uranium it can stockpile, and the number and kinds of centrifuges it can develop and operate. David responds; It says limits. It does not say eliminates. Even a moron can see through this sham. The agreement does not say eliminate which means that these sponsors of terrorism can keep what they have and can make a bomb. Filth continues: 2) This agreement bans reconversion and reprocessing of reactor fuel, it requires Iran to redesign its Arak research reactor to produce far less plutonium than the original design, and specifies that spent fuel must be shipped out of the country without the plutonium being separated and before any significant quality can be accumulated. David responds: The agreement bans for ten years the reconversion and reprocessing. What about the fuel that it already possesses to make at least 2 bombs? Nothing is said in the document. The document does not address the ICBM's that can deliver a nuke payload. Why is that? You're smart enough to understand why...right? Filth continues: Had you read it, you'd see they addressed your statement: 3)Some have expressed concern that the deal will free Iran to develop nuclear weapons without constraint after ten years. In contrast we find that the deal includes important long-term verification procedures that last until 2040, and others that last indefinitely under the NPT and its Additional Protocol. David responds: Nowhere does the deal include any long term goals after the ten years. Filth said: There are other key points in the letter. Can you position your points to refute the statements made in the letter that supported the deal and the recommendations made? Focus. David responds: First of all, the inspectors do not and will not have access to military nuclear facilities. So, my dear filth, that’s game over. Over the last ten years, Iran has lied and lied and lied. No need to prove it here. It’s a fact. As long as nuclear watchdogs can not get into Iran’s military nuclear sites, they can do whatever they want…and they will. Iran has proven this over and over. We got nothing out of the deal. Iran will continue with their nuclear program in military nuclear facilities. Reminds me of the scientists that supported Al Gores phony global warming. Scammers. The Iranians were burning US and Israeli flags and holding Americans hostage throughout these negociations. I am embarrassed for people like you that support Iran. . SWlNE: Letter states: "It limits the level of enrichment of the uranium that Iran can produce, the amount of enriched uranium it can stockpile, and the number and kinds of centrifuges it can develop and operate." David responds: "It says limits. It does not say eliminates. Even a moron can see through this sham. The agreement does not say eliminate which means that these sponsors of terrorism can keep what they have and can make a bomb." ------------------------------------------------ The deal is not to stop Iran's uranium-enrichment programme. Programmes as this can be useful for a country's economic growth. The aim is to let them have this ability for a peaceful purpose. By limiting it, it is to safeguard that it will not be enough to build a nuclear weapon. ------------------------------------------------ The Letter states: "This agreement bans reconversion and reprocessing of reactor fuel, it requires Iran to redesign its Arak research reactor to produce far less plutonium than the original design, and specifies that spent fuel must be shipped out of the country without the plutonium being separated and before any significant quality can be accumulated." David responds: The agreement bans for ten years the reconversion and reprocessing. What about the fuel that it already possesses to make at least 2 bombs? Nothing is said in the document. The document does not address the ICBM's that can deliver a nuke payload. Why is that? You're smart enough to understand why...right? ----------------------------------------------- "What about the fuel that it already possesses to make at least 2 bombs?" -State your sources. "The document does not address the ICBM's that can deliver a nuke payload." - Are you referring to the launch of the space launch vehicle that the Israel media hyped as a ICBM? State your sources and what you are referring to. The letter can only address points of the agreement. It's not the whole agreement. I doubt there is a sinister motive. Why will these men need to have a sinister motive and put their credibility on the line. If there is a sinister motive feel free to state it. ---------------------------------------------- The letter states: "Some have expressed concern that the deal will free Iran to develop nuclear weapons without constraint after ten years. In contrast we find that the deal includes important long-term verification procedures that last until 2040, and others that last indefinitely under the NPT and its Additional Protocol." David responds: Nowhere does the deal include any long term goals after the ten years. -------------------------- P 3. iv. of the deal: "Successful implementation of this JCPOA will enable Iran to fully enjoy its right to nuclear energy for peaceful purposes under the relevant articles of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in line with its obligations therein, and the Iranian nuclear programme will be treated in the same manner as that of any other non-nuclear-weapon state party to the NPT" This means that in addition to the deal, Iran will have to adhere to the NPT. The NPT will serve as a continuation. Review the NPT. The deal might seem short but it incorporates a lot more without seeming forceful. http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/full-text-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal/1651/ http://www.un.org/disarmament/WMD/Nuclear/pdf/NPTEnglish_Text.pdf -------------------------------------- David responds: First of all, the inspectors do not and will not have access to military nuclear facilities. So, my dear filth, that’s game over. ------------------------------ Regulating procedures are covered within the NPT as well. ------------------------------ David responds: "Over the last ten years, Iran has lied and lied and lied. No need to prove it here. It’s a fact. As long as nuclear watchdogs can not get into Iran’s military nuclear sites, they can do whatever they want…and they will. Iran has proven this over and over. We got nothing out of the deal. Iran will continue with their nuclear program in military nuclear facilities. Reminds me of the scientists that supported Al Gores phony global warming. Scammers. The Iranians were burning US and Israeli flags and holding Americans hostage throughout these negociations. I am embarrassed for people like you that support Iran." -------------------------------------------- Lies have been told by the US government, so too the Israeli government. It is a human aspect of politics. There is no means of eradicating lies in politics or governments. This is on accountability. It is on safeguarding a peaceful means of dealing with the situation and giving Iran this responsibility that if they do slip up that it is on their own heads. If you wish to speak on global warming, there is a global warming thread, I'm sure you can express your concerns there. I do not support any government but I am contented with any attempt towards a peaceful reasoning. You support the US and I can list myriads of disgusting things done in the name of that country and under the use of that flag. But then what will that have to do with the topic at hand. (Edited by SWlNE) davidk14: . I stopped reading your nonsense when you said, "The deal is not to stop Iran's uranium-enrichment programme.:" um...hello....that was the whole frickin point of the negotiations... to stop this terrorist regime from creating the materials to create a frickin nuclear device. With the inspectors unable to inspect military sites...what is the frickin point? This regeme supports Hamas, Hezbolla and numerous other terrorist organizations who's only goal is to spread radicical extremist Islam throughout the world. Or are you unaware of this?  SWlNE: So this is your position? To ignore the points I've made addressing yours. Like a kid who covers his ears and screams 'blah blah'. Very immature for a 62 year old. The deal is not to stop Iran's uranium-enrichment programme. Programmes as this can be useful for a country's economic growth. The aim is to let them have this ability for a peaceful purpose. By limiting it, it is to safeguard that it will not be enough to build a nuclear weapon. [1] "Iran and the P5+1 should be able to agree that Iran will LIMIT uranium enrichment to levels of less than 5 percent, keep stocks of its enriched uranium near zero, and halt production-scale work at the smaller Fordow enrichment plant and convert it to a research-only facility. Yet, the two sides must find a formula that LIMITS Iran’s uranium-enrichment capacity at the Natanz site in a way that precludes an Iranian dash to produce enough highly enriched uranium (HEU) for weapons without being detected and disrupted but allows for Iran’s “practical” civilian needs, as the Nov. 24 interim agreement between Iran and the P5+1 puts it. " [2] "Negotiators reached a historic accord on Tuesday to LIMIT Tehran’s nuclear ability in return for lifting international oil and financial sanctions." Sources: [1] https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2014_06/Focus/The-Iranian-Uranium-Enrichment-Challenge [2] http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/03/31/world/middleeast/simple-guide-nuclear-talks-iran-us.html <--- I suggest you read this full article it's very informative. Do you know the use for the programme or is it that you think that the sole purpose for this technology is to create bombs? It is something that can be useful to Iran's economy but setting limits means it can not be used as bombs. Do you understand this? That the deal will allow for Iran's peaceful process and monitor it at the same time? Now read the rest of my statements or shut up about it. (Edited by SWlNE) SWlNE: To Yawaar, I read an article related to what you were earlier stating on the Jewish extremists/ Jewish terrorism. You can take a look at it: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/10/world/middleeast/israel-crackdown-revolt-jewish-extremist-network-duma-arson.html?rref=world/middleeast yawaar: fear of iran getting bomb is very similar to the lie Bibi delivered to the world in 2012.. Bibi and his team feels that the world is fool. yawaar: Why the world should trust Netanyahu?? Does he have any credibility left?? not in my eyes. may be he can fool people like dividk14 who claim to be over 60 years old. Israel is always on the wrong side of the history... support the war and oppose the peace.. israel should know that they cannot repeat the ethnic cleaning what US did with indians.. this is the age of social media and information sharing.. israel thrives on chaos.. they want war not peace. (Edited by yawaar) davidk14: . Filth said: Very immature for a 62 year old. David responds: Are you having a temper tantrum because I called you out because you are in support of a terrorist regime? Poor baby. You have got to understand, there are US Senators that have supported the current administration from day one...FROM DAY ONE...that are now 100% against this deal. Senator Chuck Schumer, an extreme progressive liberal like Hillary Clinton is one of those Senate leaders that are against the deal. The deal does not stop them in Iranian Military installations. It just doesn't. You believe you can trust Iran? Can you? Just say you trust Iran based on their track record. I know I do not. Regarding yawaar the phony Jew...enough said....seriously. . . . SWlNE: My comments on your level of immaturity is based on your refusal to address what I've stated and instead opting to blatantly not read it. I've covered all your statements and presented the supporting data. Your inability to cover mine is no fault of mine. Just shows your incapabilities and ignorance. Read my statements and present your objections directly. Focus and stop running away from the discussion. I will give you one more try. davidk14: .  You have come to the end of this experience. You have forgotten what facts and reality represent. Saying I have not explained myself...seriously? It is you that I give one more chance to answer this question...again... The deal does not stop them in Iranian Military installations. It just doesn't. You believe you can trust Iran? Can you? Just say you trust Iran based on their track record. Man up. . SWlNE: Again. Read my posts that directly addressed your statements and present objections with your sources against it. Quote them. I will repaste it for you: Letter states: "It limits the level of enrichment of the uranium that Iran can produce, the amount of enriched uranium it can stockpile, and the number and kinds of centrifuges it can develop and operate." David responds: "It says limits. It does not say eliminates. Even a moron can see through this sham. The agreement does not say eliminate which means that these sponsors of terrorism can keep what they have and can make a bomb." ------------------------------------------------ The deal is not to stop Iran's uranium-enrichment programme. Programmes as this can be useful for a country's economic growth. The aim is to let them have this ability for a peaceful purpose. By limiting it, it is to safeguard that it will not be enough to build a nuclear weapon. ------------------------------------------------ The Letter states: "This agreement bans reconversion and reprocessing of reactor fuel, it requires Iran to redesign its Arak research reactor to produce far less plutonium than the original design, and specifies that spent fuel must be shipped out of the country without the plutonium being separated and before any significant quality can be accumulated." David responds: The agreement bans for ten years the reconversion and reprocessing. What about the fuel that it already possesses to make at least 2 bombs? Nothing is said in the document. The document does not address the ICBM's that can deliver a nuke payload. Why is that? You're smart enough to understand why...right? ----------------------------------------------- "What about the fuel that it already possesses to make at least 2 bombs?" -State your sources. "The document does not address the ICBM's that can deliver a nuke payload." - Are you referring to the launch of the space launch vehicle that the Israel media hyped as a ICBM? State your sources and what you are referring to. The letter can only address points of the agreement. It's not the whole agreement. I doubt there is a sinister motive. Why will these men need to have a sinister motive and put their credibility on the line. If there is a sinister motive feel free to state it. ---------------------------------------------- The letter states: "Some have expressed concern that the deal will free Iran to develop nuclear weapons without constraint after ten years. In contrast we find that the deal includes important long-term verification procedures that last until 2040, and others that last indefinitely under the NPT and its Additional Protocol." David responds: Nowhere does the deal include any long term goals after the ten years. -------------------------- P 3. iv. of the deal: "Successful implementation of this JCPOA will enable Iran to fully enjoy its right to nuclear energy for peaceful purposes under the relevant articles of the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in line with its obligations therein, and the Iranian nuclear programme will be treated in the same manner as that of any other non-nuclear-weapon state party to the NPT" This means that in addition to the deal, Iran will have to adhere to the NPT. The NPT will serve as a continuation. Review the NPT. The deal might seem short but it incorporates a lot more without seeming forceful. http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/full-text-of-the-iran-nuclear-deal/1651/ http://www.un.org/disarmament/WMD/Nuclear/pdf/NPTEnglish_Text.pdf -------------------------------------- David responds: First of all, the inspectors do not and will not have access to military nuclear facilities. So, my dear filth, that’s game over. ------------------------------ Regulating procedures are covered within the NPT as well. ------------------------------ David responds: "Over the last ten years, Iran has lied and lied and lied. No need to prove it here. It’s a fact. As long as nuclear watchdogs can not get into Iran’s military nuclear sites, they can do whatever they want…and they will. Iran has proven this over and over. We got nothing out of the deal. Iran will continue with their nuclear program in military nuclear facilities. Reminds me of the scientists that supported Al Gores phony global warming. Scammers. The Iranians were burning US and Israeli flags and holding Americans hostage throughout these negociations. I am embarrassed for people like you that support Iran." -------------------------------------------- Lies have been told by the US government, so too the Israeli government. It is a human aspect of politics. There is no means of eradicating lies in politics or governments. This is on accountability. It is on safeguarding a peaceful means of dealing with the situation and giving Iran this responsibility that if they do slip up that it is on their own heads. If you wish to speak on global warming, there is a global warming thread, I'm sure you can express your concerns there. I do not support any government but I am contented with any attempt towards a peaceful reasoning. You support the US and I can list myriads of disgusting things done in the name of that country and under the use of that flag. But then what will that have to do with the topic at hand. davidk14: . The document does not address delivery systems or Iran's military installations. There you have it. You either believe that Iran will follow the document or not. You believe they will. I do not. History and facts are on my side. And name calling? Seriously? Because I speak the truth? Seriously? . SWlNE: Read this slowly because you seem to be having a hard time understanding: Read my posts that directly addressed your statements and present objections with your sources against it. Quote which points you are addressing. Strange isn't it that you always respond with "Filth says" then quote but yet you're suddenly incapable of addressing the points made. Try one last time. The posts are above. Now let me see if you'll take the weak coward approach once again. davidk14: . Watch your words. Coward is a powerful word. You have no idea and if you wish to continue to joust, behave yourself. I have been courteous to you so far...so lets keep this friendly. You continue to elude the meaning of the Iranian deal. The deal means nothing since they can continue to build nukes at their military facilities since those facilities are not included in the deal. If you think that the deal is a good deal, you are misguided. I pointed out the deficiencies that exist and also those that disagree with those deficiencies including that the deal did not include releasing American's being held illegally. Now that is cowardly to leave Americans in harms way. If you want to side with the Iranians, you have every right to do so; they hate Israel as you do so I guess you have things in common with them. ' . | Politics Chat Room 82 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
