How Israel shattered Gaza truce leading to escalating death and tragedy: a timeline (Page 4)

dave3974: it seems odd but russia today seems to be still fighting the cold war , they have shown some utter nonsense about the uk , so i can not see how theycan be qoted as any sort of reliable source

davidk14: .

The Russian Media is the Iranian Media and vise verse.



Naw...couldn't be...




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Comrade_:
Why look in terms of media and instead look at the information. If the information is false then target that. But to state that one country's media is above the other without challenging the information placed forward is...weak.

davidk14: .

ok Jack. You keep thinking that way and Lori's stuff will sound real good to you.

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Comrade_: Lori's stuff I can refute and question the information. You see Davidk, I have common sense, instead of having to pull a fallacy and state that all a person say is wrong because of the country they got their information from. Takes common sense to go through the information and show the information to be wrong....but we wouldn't expect you to know about that now would we *pat on the head*

davidk14: .

Jack,

What is common sense?

It is learned. You are not born with it now are you.

If you learned that Jews are apes, then, common sense to you is that its ok to call Jews apes. So, if information you read shows that Jews are apes, and you learned from mummy and daddy around the dinner table that Jews are apes, then guess what, your common sense says what.....Jews are apes.

I'm very surprised Jack that you do not use FACTS from RELIABLE and VERIFIABLE sources to help make conclusions.

You should really try it. Your comments might be taken more seriously.

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Comrade_:
I didn't learned that Jews are apes, perhaps you learned that. Where I'm from I don't see people in terms of Jews/Muslims, I see them by their actions. So one is not above the other for me. Maybe it is time you learned that?

Maybe it is time that you stop hiding behind throwing tantrums and the odd anti-semantic card or other useless fallacies to hide your ignorance. I don't have to hide behind anything Davidk, I can address what is put towards me. If someone challenges what I say, I can face it and either learn something by their points or by defending my thoughts with facts/reasoning.

If you found something I said that needs facts/sources, then ask. I'll gladly provide them.

One day you'll grow a pair davidk, one fine day.

davidk14: .

Debate over.

If you can not accept people for their 'beliefs', then there is no debating the points of the Israeli's and the Palestinians. There are 2.2 billion Muslims on this planet and you can not just say their beliefs mean nothing to you. Unbelievable. The whole thing in the middle east is about religion and it has to be solved without tossing their beliefs out the window because the great JackEthan refuses to accept peoples personal beliefs as relevant. Unbelieveable. You need to put your nutsack back in your shorts, your ignorance is showing.

You want to discuss the Jews and Muslims in the Middle East, great. Until then, I have no time for ignorance.
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Comrade_:
This wasn't a 'debate'.

Fallacy: Straw man.

Google it.

Take your pills.

davidk14: .

You need to check you common sense. It needs a lot of work. Really.

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Serabi:

I have looked around regarding my statement that SA rioters and hamas placed children in front of rioters because I saw it on TV. The reason I remember it so well is because it outraged me.

Jack Ethan asked for proof. I can't find tangible proof on the Internet, therefore I have to recant my statement.

I do, however, know I saw it.

billy_piper: i saw the israeli generals son give a speech on youtube and he said apartheid (zionism -not israel) must stop like apartheid/racism HAD to stop in SA and america. he convinced me.

david, even a one state solution with equal citizenship rights for palestinians and israelis surely is better than the current pot washer israeli option.

the generals son also commented, as serabis butthurt voice regarding apartheid would in such instances, israelis like the SA white folk had to give up their egotistic privileged notion that these people are inferior and deserve same privilege as citizens.

sorry serabi butt you can't have slaves same as britain don't 'enjoy' them.

billy_piper: be grateful youre not one already. if you put yourself above people you deserve to be lower in my estimation.

its about fairness

billy_piper: i dont belive in unicorns or 'chosen'people just duped foolish bad losers perhaps

billy_piper: so i suggest with israels mighty power w/nato (if they can pull it off) a single state of israel in all entirety but a true secular society with arabs enjoying same rights as israelis and christians.

billy_piper: I do, however, know I saw it.

know you saw what? the right to make fellow humans slaves then expect them to not resent it. herp derp

Serabi:

BP... whatever I say will be construed in a negative way. Think what you want to think. Nobody will change your way of thinking.

As per Rhet Butler: Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn.

PS: ... Read Animal farm.

billy_piper: ok i thoroughly enjoyed down and out in paris ad london.

yawaar: Guys no point talking to davidk14, i tried to have rational conversation, but landed no where. Difficult to rationalize with someone yet to graduate from high school or the one who is fixed in a box of ideology. sorry, i am just talking straight.

davidk14: .

Rational conversations are based on facts, not fiction. You live in fairy dust land.

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Eagster: So umm can anybody tell me how Israel occupying the west bank and gaza means its defending itself? defending itself in somebody elses country smh now that is arrogance and greed for ya.

dave3974: eagy zzzzzzzzzz what eh , have you just woken up , read the thread , do a little research before you spout this nonsense

Eagster: How is it non sense? u may not agree with my point of view but it doesnt' make it non-sense per se

Eagster: You know what else i find interesting? Why is it that uninformed people claim israel is a democracy when 1. Jews in Israel are not permitted to marry non-jews. 2. Israel is segregated. 3. In the Israeli government cabinet there are no Palestinians whatsoever, all > Zionist <. 4. Israel has some of the strictest immigration laws in the world if not the strictest to keep out anyone who opposes them. 5. Israel currently imprisons Massive amounts of Africans in the country for supporting the liberation of palestine. 6. Israel monitors foreign aid going to palestine without them having a say. Contrary to popular belief Palestinians do want peace, and that peace can start with Israel withdrawing all forces from Palestinian territories asap. Even David Cameron said 'Frankly I think it's in Israel's interest to agree to a two state solution'

darksomewayside: No respectable news service reports these violations. A Palestinian man was killed when Israeli border security fired to prevent a forced violation of the border. Hamas protested weakly and then sent a detachment to break up the demonstration that was trying to forced-violate the Israeli border. A Palestinian got killed during some of his countrymen's "joy firing" to celebrate their "victory" [i.e. the conflict in which Israel got what it wanted and Hamas did not] but that is probably not Israel's fault. Israelis don't engage in joy firing, and certainly not in Gaza.