why Israel has the right to exist (Page 4)
Alette, I read your post. It gives a bit of consipracy vibes to me since the US-UK has been supporting Israel in this one-sided way for a long time.
I'm also not seeing how geographically there will be a canal created.
rebel1916: "I thought this was going to be some adult level discussion. My bad."
Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers! 🤷♂️👍
rebel1916. Don't agitate yourself. My question was an opportunity for you to express your point deeper and state clearly your motives for posting quotes. Simple.
. You're hitting 40s soon. You use "u mad bro" still with the "yo mama" liners. You're not even capable of a functionable response.
There comes a time you have to take a real hard look at yourself and just leave the kidding around for the kiddies.
rebel1916: This is wireclub you balloon, if you think you came here for an adult discussion than I'm sorry to say, you are in the wrong place! 😂👍
Your apology has been accepted.
I'm in the right place. Adult discussions are already happening with Alette and Nadja. The current issue deserves a seriousness.
I'm giving you some advice, the i-support assad - and anyone mainstream media hates-look at me- so edgy - rebel type fascade doesn't fit well when a man has crossed 30. Pause. Look in the mirror for a second. You came on this site 12 years ago but you're 12 years older now and an old man. There's a whole generation ahead of you now.
Hold my hand. Let me help you out of this midlife crisis.
hmm what ad hominems are you talking about? Everything I've stated is factual.
btw, your posts are already emotional. You just try to suppress it. I mean, why else will you bring up 'emotional' if you're not already feeling it..
What is your name so that I can address you directly instead of your username?
No problem, Alette. At this time, as with major events, many conspiracy theories pop up.
There was a woman I knew years ago from KSA, I would've liked to have a conversation with her on the current issue. I remember one time she said that as a kid she decided to boycott things from Israel because of how they treated Palestine.
illumiNaughty_666: Rebel, how dare you! Everyone knows "Nazi speech" is when you quote a zionist rabbi who calls every non Jew, cattle (goyim) and slaves to the Jews, or the former Israeli PM encouraging the rape of Muslim children by Jews! How could you be such a Nazi by quoting zionists, Rebel?! I'm mad, bro!
But on a positive note, you've won someone over! Max is totally flirting with you. He's into edgy types to the point of wanting to hold your hand!
Lol so much irony in this thread. Zionists often use the words "Nazi" and "Anti-Semitic" to try to shut down conversation.
Which is funny considering the partnership they had with the Third Reich. This was called the Haavara Agreement. Zionists bankrolled the Nazis throughout WW2. Ultimately the Nazi and zionist elite of WW2 are one in the same. Same supremacist mindset, same goals of world control. Both absolved of their crimes and absorbed into the US government after the war. Operation Paperclip - rewarding high ranking Nazis with highly paid positions, not just behind the scenes, but as spokespeople. This is where the term "Zio-Nazi" comes from. They even minted coins together.
Today the term "Nazi" and "anti-semitic" (as well as "racist" ) have been so overly used that they've really lost their power. The masses who support Palestine are turning on the zionists who are trying to shame the non jews (and jews!) into silence with these words, which is no longer working.
But don't take my word for it, here's former Israeli Minister, Shulamit Aloni, breaking down how "anti-semitism" is a trick to deflect criticism of Israel:
Also, G. Edward Griffin on the communist party's smear tactic of labeling opposition as "Nazi" or "Anti-semitic". 80 years later and it's still the go-to smear tactic today by far right zionists and communistic jews alike, and those they've trained. This may sound familiar to some of you! This is the origin:
This is a left wing YouTube channel primarily highlighting Israel's genocide of Palestine, but goes through everything else Israel is doing to the world. Showing us how much of the planet is at the mercy of the Israeli zionists. From the ongoing death and destruction across the Middle East, to the US congress being almost completely controlled by the Israel Lobby who instigate nonstop war, to Mossad and other intel agencies arming, funding, training terrorists of the world, to secretly selling US military technology to China, (who they then label the enemy of the US) helping them become an equal in military power, laying the foundation for a third world war. The biggest threat to not just the Palestinians, but everyone are the zionists.
For this reason the majority of the world share the Palestinian's plight. If you care about Palestine, care about the entire world. Free Palestine. Free the world. Free yourself from the zionist control of your information, of your speech and ultimately of your mind. For when you do, they lose their power.
Though through arrogance they often reveal themselves. Here's some examples:
"𝘈𝘯𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘸𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘩𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘢 𝘗𝘢𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘪𝘢𝘯 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘳𝘵 𝘣𝘰𝘭𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘏𝘢𝘮𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘴𝘧𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘮𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘺 𝘵𝘰 𝘏𝘢𝘮𝘢𝘴. 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘨𝘺." - Benjamin Netanyahu, PM of Israel
"𝘞𝘦'𝘭𝘭 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘮 𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘵𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘜𝘚 𝘱𝘶𝘣𝘭𝘪𝘤 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘴 𝘪𝘴 𝘧𝘢𝘭𝘴𝘦." - William J. Casey, CIA Director, 1981 (Casey was a Jewish zionist.)
"𝘐𝘧 𝘮𝘺 𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘥𝘪𝘥 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘳𝘴, 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘣𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘯𝘦." - Gutle Schnapper Rothschild, referring to her 5 sons.
The zionist Rothschild's Bank of England has a majority stake in nearly every central bank in the world. From bankrolling the Nazis (funding the genocide of Jews in WW2) to bankrolling the Bolshevik communists (funding the genocide of Christians in Russia and Eastern Europe) to bankrolling today's Islamic terror groups which in turn are used to validate the genocide of Muslim states.
As for the "deep state", it's almost impossible to know about it and then return to the 'left vs right' framing of politics by the media. For many normies, people like Edward Snowden completely changed their world view after his revelations of the deep state. The deep state refers to a parallel secret government that consists of individuals across all elements within and external to the government, who in the aggregate are able to leverage government capabilities while violating, with impunity, all constitutional checks and balances. From bankers to intelligence agencies to war making think tanks, there is a criminal network that is above the law and above the state. Of course when you break down who the individuals are you're at risk of being called an "anti-Semite"! Even if you're Jewish! Or you could skip all that work and just keep it on a surface level by looking at the biggest lobbyist group, the Israel Lobby.
Here's a clip from a documentary showing how the Israel Lobby buys politicians and works together with the press to attack opposition. AIPAC recently bragged that 95% of candidates they back, win! That's a lot of politicians that have become sell outs to a foreign country, thus selling you and your country out. Remember this whenever someone talks about "democracy"!
As for the thread title, the question isn't why Israel has the right to exist or not, they already do. The question is if every other nation has the right to exist without Israel influencing or controlling them?
Somewhat of a rhetorical question as we see the answer is already "no" for Palestine.
You know things are desperate when a 'new profile' suddenly appears on a thread that it hasn't commented on before (and isn't receiving any updates on) but jumps in to defend, then pivots.
To each their own little insanity.
illumiNaughty_666: Lol I usually don't address petty drama, but I've got time today!
"You know things are desperate when a 'new profile' suddenly appears on a thread that it hasn't commented on before (and isn't receiving any updates on) but jumps in to defend, then pivots. Textbook sockpocket. To each their own little insanity." - Max
Going full conspiracy mode! I love it. I'll play along!
A sock puppet account is a false identity created to praise, defend, or support a person or organization, or manipulate public opinion.
Wait a second, this sounds like someone else...let's break this down!
𝐌𝐚𝐱 - Defends person, never once addressing the points made against said person, (how quoting zionists is "Nazi speech" ) . Strictly personal attacks and trading insults. This is a "textbook sock puppet" move - don't address the message, attack the messenger.
𝐌𝐞 - Doesn't defend person, doesn't defend person's beliefs, doesn't defend organizations, doesn't attack anyone. Points out the hypocrisy of a statement. Goes into a deep dive about it, providing links and sources.
𝐌𝐚𝐱 - Creates a paranoid scenario implying the people already posting in a thread are legitimate, anyone else; "textbook sock puppet"! Conveniently leaving out how this is a public forum which anyone can view.
𝐌𝐞 - Sees thread at the top of forum, sees familiar users, sees hypocritical post, finds humor in it, posts in it.
𝐌𝐚𝐱 - Is a newer account. Only has 9 likes. Sock puppets tend to be newer accounts.
𝐌𝐞 - OG on wire. 1000+ likes. Well known.
And lastly PROJECTION is the most overt tactic. Accuse your opponent of what you're doing.
For these reasons Max is likely a sock puppet account.
In other words...me, sock puppet? No, u!
Max, watch this sick "pivot"!
Interesting how "sockpuppet" was the go-to insult considering the post I made breaking down the weaponization of sock puppets not too long ago in another thread. This pertains to the topic of Israel, so this is perfect. Watch me "pivot" back on topic!
Firstly, The US's Operation Earnest Voice. The DOD's online psychological weapon. Which partly consists of trolls with sock puppet accounts.
They claim it's only used on terrorists in the middle east, but we now know OEV is happening globally in all types of online communities.
Many governments have their own online operations, but Israel takes it to another level. Here's a 15 minute documentary about it.
How Israel censors the internet:
Apart from the Israeli government having the power to edit the most visited sites like editing Wikipedia posts to write things in their favor, change or hide Google results, censor whatever they want on the most popular sites like Facebook and Youtube, (showing us that these so called private companies are actually controlled by government) they also have a 'cyber army' both military and civilian who spend all their time trying to spread 'hasbara' (propaganda), instigate, and divide and conquer groups, forums, chat rooms, etc. In other words a person personally insulting you on the internet over something like your political opinion could be a random troll, or part of 'hasbara'!
illumiNaughty_666: Round 2!
"She stalks Rebel from thread to thread. She wants to get in his knickers or they are the same people" - Alette
𝐀𝐥𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐞 - The master of projection, lies by calling me a stalker of Rebel, saying I go from thread to thread while knowing I've only posted in 2 threads he's in. This one and The13th's Ukraine thread. In total I've posted in 5 threads. So that's 2/5. It's possible that she's bad at math too.
𝐌𝐞 - Actually gets stalked by Alette! Out of the 5 threads I've posted in, she's posted in all of them. At one point nearly every post I made was replied to by Alette right after mine, personally attacking me. Sometimes immediately after I'd make a post. I rarely post on wire and when I do it's almost always in-depth posts sticking to the topic, so that was creepy seeing an alleged old woman becoming obsessed with me. I also rarely responded which only made her try harder to bait me with insults. This can be viewed in The13th's Ukraine thread. Her posts are still up under "Closed Account".
𝐀𝐥𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐞 - Continues to slip up with lies. Claimed she's American yet uses the UK term for panties, calling them; "knickers". Her verbiage in posts often read like someone from the UK or Australia wrote them.
𝐌𝐞 - Finds out through a post by 'Sandee' that Alette has a history of stalking and harassing users on here. Even creepily posting on profiles shes not friends with.
𝐀𝐥𝐞𝐭𝐭𝐞 - Continues to insult, instigate drama, project and lie to users throughout the forums, almost daily.
𝐌𝐞 - Knows that "happily married" people don't try to insult, lie and spread misery to others. Feels sorry for her. Actually hopes that she's taking part in Hasbara since it would be a less sad reason for spending her time, energy, life this way.
But wait, there's more! This part affects anyone who chats with Alette, friend or foe.
I think what's really going on here is Alette is upset that she got exposed for using ChatGPT to WRITE HER POSTS for her. So if you ever chat with her / it, you never know when you're replying to an A.I. bot, or "Alette"!
Here's the moment Alette was exposed for it in The13th's Ukraine thread:
This was a very active thread at this point, quite a few people witnessed it. Anyone still active in that thread can confirm.
She also posted poetry created by ChapGPT passing it off as her own, getting compliments from her friends who thought it was her writing poetry, unaware they were being lied to. Who does that to their supposed friends?
Looks like she forgot to delete these posts where she admits to using it:
If she lies about people she doesn't like, lies to strangers, and to her friends, what's stopping her from lying about...everything? Who would want to talk with a known liar? Who can ever trust someone like that? Someone who's words are not even typed by them? What's there to gain from that? Is someone's life that empty or is this a pathological thing?
Hopefully there's a real life intervention. She finds peace, or God or something!
The funniest part of yesterday's exchange is that when we get to the core of it all, we all appear to share the same view on Israel vs Palestine. But this is the interwebz where inflated egos override everything else. In a time when the world inches closer to global war, you'd at least hope for some humility and comradery. But I guess I'll have to address the lurkers instead!
Peace to all my Jewish, Muslim, Christian brothers and sisters. And everyone else! Do not be deceived by those instigating divide and conquer tactics whether between religious or political views, even here on wireclub. Those who project, gaslight, lie, or preach hate, those calling for death and destruction on any side, those spewing negativity are not on your side. The hope by global elite is to instigate a global holy war. We can see the stage being set now. Divided you will be conquered, but united you can be free.
shadowline: "Everyone knows 'Nazi speech' is when you quote a zionist rabbi who calls every non Jew, cattle (goyim) and slaves to the Jews, or the former Israeli PM encouraging the rape of Muslim children by Jews!"
No "Zionist Rabbi" and no Israeli PM, have ever done this. None. Not ever. "Nazi speech" is saying that they have. I fear we will never be free of the latter. It doesn't take Himmlers and Goerings. There are Nazis everywhere. And they still hate the same people Himmler and Goering did.
"Rebel?! I'm mad, bro!"
Wooow, wow, wooow.... Chill out there mo chara, I'm only trying to earn my 250 shekels to go towards my collage fees. I'm going to go off and cry now and point at random things and say Hamas!!!
"But on a positive note, you've won someone over! Max is totally flirting with you. He's into edgy types to the point of wanting to hold your hand! "
I mean, look at me, I'm that good looking I can create puddles around the ankles of nuns. 😂