President Obama's Statement in Response to the Zimmerman Verdict. (Page 2) davidk14: . Whatever. Oh my...just read this... George Zimmerman, who has not been seen publicly since his acquittal in the murder of Trayvon Martin earlier this month, surfaced last week to rescue an unidentified family trapped in an overturned vehicle on a Florida highway, police said Monday. Sanford Police Department Capt. Jim McAuliffe told Fox News that Zimmerman, 29, was identified by a crash victim as the man who pulled him from the mangled vehicle. “George Zimmerman pulled me out,” firefighters were told by the unidentified driver, according to McAuliffe. The Seminole County Sheriff's Office said the single-car accident occurred July 17 at approximately 5:45 pm. and involved a blue Ford Explorer SUV that had left the road and rolled over. .  Inspector Ninja: What is your point? Are you here to defend the character of a man you don't know? As it turns out, he helped someone out of a truck. I think its worse that he molested his 6 year old cousin till she was 16 then killed a kid in a fistfight. I don't think helping some people out of a truck exonerates him.  soylent_green_1973: So if I kill David's mother as she's walking home from the store and then save some guy from downing a few months later, we're all cool...right? Inspector Ninja: I think so, I mean, David of course has some flawless logic here. I'll bet if only Ted Bundy had saved a kitten from a tree, we wouldn't have thought so badly of him. davidk14: . Do you believe that Travon would have stopped to help a few crackers? Yah think? And my mother would have kicked Travons skinny butt all over the sidewalk, then tazed his ass and then taken him to his father for a proper ass woopen.  . soylent_green_1973: We'll never know what Trayvon Martin would have done, since he's dead. But judging by George Zimmerman's history, the occupants of that car are lucky Zimmerman didn't shoot , injure or sexually assault them. In your opinion, Trayvon Martin was a dangerous thug ...so dangerous that George Zimmerman was being pounded to death by Martin, and Zimmerman had to kill Martin in order to defend himself. But you also think Trayvon Martin was a skinny-assed weakling who could easily have been subdued by your mother. Amazing. (Edited by soylent_green_1973) davidk14: . 1973....Now you really need to do a little research or at least do a little fact checking before you post your comments. If you had googled the question "How much did Trayvon weigh? You would have found that at 14 years old he weighed 175. At the time of his death he weighed about the same. If you had googled the question "How much did Zimmerman weigh? You would have found that at the time of the incident he weighed approximately 195. Simple math....that's approx. a 20 pound variance and lets not forget, Trayvon threw the first punch and was on top of Zimmerman pounding away according to eye witnesses. . soylent_green_1973: And yet you think your mother could whup Trayvon Martin! Amazeballs! (Edited by soylent_green_1973) davidk14: . The point being is this.... Trayvon was the aggressor...there is no one saying he wasn't. Zimmerman should have kicked his ass but he couldn't, and since he was getting his ass handed to him...he used his gun. If Zimmerman had trained to defend himself, Trayvon would just have been roughed up a little and we would be discussing something else. Perhaps about the 14 murders in Chicago over a 3 day period. . soylent_green_1973: Why do you keep acting as if your opinion is fact? Plenty of people dispute your dubious claim that Trayvon Martin, who was being stalked by an armed man with a history of violence, was the aggressor. The State of Florida disputed it, which is why Zimmerman was finally arrested. What do murders in Chicago have to do with the shooting in Florida of an unarmed 17 year-old boy by an armed adult who had been stalking him? davidk14: . 1973 said: Why do you keep acting as if your opinion is fact? David responds: My opinion is based on the facts that were PROVIDED by witnesses and expert witnesses in the courtroom. 1973 said: Plenty of people dispute your dubious claim that Trayvon Martin, who was being stalked by an armed man with a history of violence, was the aggressor. The State of Florida disputed it, which is why Zimmerman was finally arrested. David responds: Your facts are twisted at best. On the night of the incident, Zimmerman was interviewed for 5 hours and without an attorney. The police released him because the FACTS showed that Zimmerman was defending himself. Only because race baiters (Sharpton and Jackson) were screaming racism did the federal authorities ie: FBI get involved. The FBI did not find any racism caused by Zimmerman. Zimmerman is Mexican American and Martin African American. All fact. As other information came out about Martin, who was kicked out of school, was found with jewelry and burglary tools in his backpack along with a pot pipe and an empty zip lock with pot residue. Also, he was quoted saying the Zimmerman was a “Creepy-Ass Cracker”. In a shocking declaration, attorney Daryl Parks said the George Zimmerman trial was 'not about racial profiling.' This comes after prosecutors claimed Zimmerman targeted Trayvon Martin because he was black. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-martin-trial-prosecution-star-witness-grilled-article-1.1384074#ixzz2ZuYcUEIq 1973 said: What do murders in Chicago have to do with the shooting in Florida of an unarmed 17 year-old boy by an armed adult who had been stalking him? David responds: Zimmerman was not doing anything illegal. He was never charged with ‘stalking’ so therefore you acusation in moot. The murders in Chicago were 70 times more tragic and not a peep. Pretty screwed up but then race baiters enjoy stirring the pot. . Inspector Ninja: I think the issue is David, you've come onto a thread about Zimmerman, when you should have made a thread about the Chicago murders you bring up in order to hide your personal issues with race. It is irrelevant here, no matter how tragic, the holocaust was tragic, but not the theme of this thread. Try to stay on topic.
davidk14: . My wife is not of my race nor of my religion. My children were raised in a different religion than myself. Don't race bate me by saying I am hiding "personal issues with race". I'm sure you would have not said what you did if you knew my 'history'. All the issues mentioned here are related. Think about it for a few. .  PhiloSophia: ".....we should ask ourselves if we're doing all we can to widen the circle of compassion and understanding in our own communities. "We should ask ourselves, as individuals and as a society, how we can prevent future tragedies like this." -- United States' President Barack Obama soylent_green_1973: I see. Because david is married to someone of a different race, he can't be a racist. And Trayvon Martin was justifiably killed in Florida by George Zimmerman because of black-on-black violence in Chicago. It all makes sense now. davidk14: . And 1973 refuses to accept the possibility that Zimmerman had every right to protect himself because he was not black and the guy beating the snot out of him was. Nice.  the real slim DEEPy: race is not the issue- if travon also had a gun, and he shot first, the florida law would have protected treyvon, as id did zimmerman. race could possibly be a factor; however zimmerman acted within the law- it is the law which is too broad, and the law which should be addressed, not race. the first step of becoming a racist is to profess that there are races within mankind. the real slim DEEPy: am i delusional to say that obama is just as white as he is black, yet is identified as black? the real delusion is that there even ARE races of homo-sapiens, and the very acknowledgement of the existence of races is a sign of a perception of specific genetic traits which separate the races. the very acceptance of the existence of race is the acceptance of separate classes genetic affinities. the very admission of the existence of genetically-distinct races IS racism, in itself. PhiloSophia: @ Deep. I'm providing this explanation at the risk of this conversation veering into a direction unrelated to the core of this issue, but thought it may be helpful in answering one of the questions you posed above regarding how Zimmerman is made to be perceived in the media. Jewish people are generally classified as "white" in this country, and among the jewish people, a person is not regarded as jewish unless the mother is jewish, for example, radio talk show host Howard Stern, and actor Ben Stiller are not considered "technically" jewish, because their mothers are gentiles. The term "hispanic" is simply an ethnic classification in this country. Hispanics could be black or white racially. The ethnic distinctions are reported (i.e., census) as such for political purposes relating to assessing and responding to the cultural mindset of a distinct American group dictated by culture - politically, as well as in providing services to said community. I am not aware of Zimmerman's cultural socialization growing up, so I can understand the challenges at work in classifying him in any particular ethnic group. Socially speaking, people, when mixed with a race in addition to African American (generally speaking, black), are almost always classified as black; it is rare that any given person's additional race is recognized (which is most unfortunate, for both the child, as well as the other individual who has parented the child). Actresses Jennifer Beals, Halle Berry and singer Mariah Carey, though were products of interracial marriages, regularly face a public that denies their mothers' race (and in the unusual case of Beals, her father's, hence why she is too, seen differently than other mixed race people). All that considered, surely it has crossed the minds of a great many that Zimmerman may have responded to the teenager differently had the teenager been caucasian. African Americans, historically, have experienced different responses than whites when in a variety of situations, i.e. while shopping, while driving, and yes, while walking about in neighborhoods where it is perceived "they don't belong". Hence, the reason why some may view the approach in the handling of this case in a court of law differently than others. | Politics Chat Room 33 People Chatting Similar Conversations |