JFK 50 years and still people believe conspiracies. (Page 27) natureguy8899: I can’t help that the Dallas PD did not ask for a copy of the Z film but the Secret Service got two copies, Zapruder kept the original and another copy. natureguy8899: SandraL57: They do say that Butch Cassidy wound up in Spokane and how did you know I drank vodka......  chronology: Nature, over the years I have only ever known one story of a reported sighting of JFK and that was from the late 1960s. A waiter in New York City swore he had seen JFK at an exclusive club he worked in. This story was in a book from the 1960s. All copies of the book have vanished and no one could find the waiter. There were all the usual National Enquirer stories of course of JFK living on a Mediterranean island with Buddy Holly etc. But the New York City waiter story did seem true. Among the fake deaths suspected are Sharon Tate, John Lennon, Larry MaCdonald, Jimmy Hoffa, Michael Jackson, Jim Jones. And others. I remember decades ago reading about a well educated, very respectable American who flew to England to speak with a man and explain how he was convinced Jim Jones was still alive. I hate to say so now but my reaction was probably like yours is now. That is you think the guy crazy. Am now convinced that the guy was right. Jones death was fake. So were the others. chronology: Mag, the entire story of the so called shooting makes no sense when you look at it closely. It is a big idea to accept at first. But consider this as you mentioned brains. Mrs Kennedy was seen being drenched, literally, in brains as JFK was shot, supposedly. Well Mrs Kennedy went to Parkland Hospital and stood around with staff there. Still wearing the same clothes she had on during the shooting, still soaked in blood and brains she flew out of Dallas less than 2 hours later. Really? The most important witness to a important murder just flew out of Dallas without even speaking to Dallas P.D. do you really think Dallas Detectives would stand for that? The most important crime scene, the limo was sloshed down with water before Dallas Detectives inspected the car. Do you really believe any of this? This, alongside hundreds of other facts from the case strongly suggest it was a hoax. By the way, the photos of JFK with his head injuries are fake. Another classic fact from the events in Dallas was good old Will Fritz choosing to drive Lee Oswald to prison in his own car. Lee was supposedly shot in the basement as Old Will walked to get in his car. The Texas legend never even looked around as Lee was supposedly shot behind him. Oh please, you really think that was not a hoax. By the way, no disrespect to Dallas P.D. goodness knows who strongarmed them into going along with all this.  megnafied: Jackie kept that dress on to make a statement... To let everyone see what they did to her husband.. natureguy8899: The reason Jackie left so soon and did not talk to DPD is because the Secret Service agents took the body of JFK out of the hospital to the airport, they kind of pulled rank on the hospital officials, showing their guns by the way. Federal has rank over state and easily over cities. “Lee was supposedly shot in the basement”, not supposedly, he was, I saw it happening live on tv as it happened. Shot by Jack Ruby, a mob guy. chronology: Natur. I have dealt with all your points in past posts. Oh come on, you really believe 'Lee' was shot? Well let's see how that situation came about. The official story is that a armoured car hired by Dallas PD to transfer Lee to Texas State Prison could not get up the ramp. So Good Old Will Fritz, I say his name respectfully by the way, says 'no problems Guys I will run him to Prison in my car' . That is the official explanation why Dallas PD had Lee walking towards reporters. Oh come on, do you really think a an Old Texas Lawman like Old Will would even consider putting Lee in the back of a regular car if he was really dealing with a actual crime of that magnitude? And then there is Jack Ruby. Who runs up to Lee like a scene from a Hollywood B Movie dressed like a gangster and shoots Lee in front of dozens of Dallas Police Officers and reporter's? Oh give me a break. Dallas are a fine Police Force. Good men and women and damn loyal American's, they would never ever let their country down like that. But if they thought such a pantomime was in American interests at the time they would go along with it. I give my reason's for this on a recent Trivia Blog. No way on earth would Old Will or the fine folks in Dallas PD ever be part of anything that would betray America.  (Post deleted by staff ) natureguy8899:
It would be nice to have an intelligent discussion about the subject but I guess an open forum like this invites all kinds , good bye.
 refurbwoodart: There is no direct actual evidence of this but in a shooting reenactment of his shooting was calculated on a show I watched about unsolved events in American history. The investigation of the tapes and interviews and evidence all put together this ex FBI agent calculated that JFK was actually killed by one if the secret service agents when his AR-15 accidentally shot him through the back after the shot fired at him missed him. The secret service agent supposedly jumped on the back of the car to protect him and accidentally shot him. Makes the most since possible than some big conspiracy. JFK was supposed to be shot but the shooter missed. An hour after it happened a call to the FBI from Midland Texas from one George H.W. Bush tolld agents who the shooter was and where he was located presently. Check the facts you'll see thats correct chronology: Refurb. The accidental shooting of JFK is an urban myth. It was supposed to have been by a secret service Agent. But really, no one in the streets saw it? No one in the car mentioned it? It is just not possible. And like you say 50 years on and no evidence of conspiracy anywhere by anyone. All the evidence points to a hoax. And the Zabruda movie sent to Washington. There were people in the photographs of the crowd, but not in the Movie. The background of the movie does not match the road. Unless you think Dallas had women who were 7 feet tall. The movie appears to have been made weeks before the hoax event. In Washington they probably never knew what to make of it when it arrived. They must have known it was fake. And ask yourself this question. Do you really think Dallas PD would let an actual film of a murder be flown out of Dallas without even looking at it whilst they were questioning a suspect for that murder? natureguy8899: Chron is full of crap and is writing bs for his own amusement, don’t believe anything he says. Refurb you are partially right, the third and final shot was accidentally fired by a secret service agent George Hickey, who picked up the AR15, stood up on the back seat and when the car accelerated, he lost his balance and squeezed off a round that hit JFK in the back of the head. The agent that ran up to the car was Agent Clint Hill, he was Jackie Kennedy’s personal agent, responsible for protecting her if something happened. There where people that smelled gun smoke in the motorcade and people that saw George Hickey with the AR15. I have a list of both groups. References to “WC” means they were taken out of the Warren Commission transcripts. Witnesses to smelling gunpowder at street level: • Ralph Yarborough was in the car two cars behind the Presidents car and said he smelled gunpowder. He is a war veteran with more than 50 years experience with fire arms. WC Vol VII, pg 439 • Earl Brown, Dallas Police Patrolman – “Heard shot’s and then smelled gunpowder” WC Vol VI, pg 233 • Elizabeth Cabell, wife of Dallas mayor, said “acutely aware of the smell of gunpowder” WC Vol VII, pg 486 • Billy J. Martin, patrolman - “You could smell the gunpowder… you knew he wasn’t far away. When you’re that close, you can smell the powder burning. Why you—you’ve got to be pretty close to them… you could smell the gunpowder… right there in the street.” • Congressman Ray Roberts, seated next to her, had mentioned it also. Same source as Martin • Tom C. Dillard, two cars behind the Cabell car, he “. . . very definitely smelled gunpowder when the cars moved up to the corner [of Elm and Houston Streets] Same source as Martin • Virgie Rackley stood in front of the depository building close to the street. “She recalled that after the second shot, she smelled gun smoke…” same source as Martin • One newspaper summed it up: “. . . seconds later the cavalcade was gone. The area still reeked with the smell of gunpowder.” Same source as Martin Witnesses to Hickey holding and possibly firing a “rifle”: • Dallas Mayor, Earl Cabel. see’s one Secret Service agent standup with a sub-machine gun. • Senator Yarbrough also saw a rifle. • Agent Winston rides in the front of JFK in the lead car. He noticed Agent Hickey standing up in the follow up car, “I first thought that he had fired it”. • Sam Holland, a witness, is standing on top of the underpass as the motorcade is going under him. “After the first shot, the Secret Service agent raised up with a machine gun and dropped back down into the seat. WC Vol XIX, ex 5323, pg 480 • Roy Kellerman testified there was an AR15 in the motorcade. • Hugh Betner saw one Secret Service agent pull out a gun, he was standing watching the motorcade. vol XXIV, ex 2003, pg 200 • A police officer on the over pass as the motorcade passing under saw an agent swinging around the gun. • Margaret Chisolm WC vol XIX, ex 5323, pg 472 saw agents stand up and sit back down. • Jean Hill – Saw JFK grab his chest and fall forward and she thinks she saw men in plain clothes shooting back. WC Vol XXIV, Ex 2003, pg 212 • Ralph Yarborough saw a SS Agent pull out a rifle. WC Vol VII, pg 439 chronology: Well that explains everything. For the last almost 60 year's the United States Government has known what happened but has not told the American people. The Z movie was hoaxed to look like a shot had come from the rear above. All very reasonable. The actors head goes down then snaps back up with the supposed mussel action. The actors head is then thrown back. Now if we believe the two sarcastic posts previous we are supposed to believe that the hoax in involved a secret service shooter. One little problem with this addition to the script drama. A shot from the same level behind into the back of the character playing JFK would have blown his face clean away. For people to believe the drama in Dealey they need to have at least something believable. If this is the best you can do no wonder there was no invasion of Cuba. natureguy8899: No, the bullet came from JFK's left rear, entered his head high to the right as he was leaning forward and the "explosion" exited in the area above his right ear. natureguy8899: If you want to find out how it happened watch the documentary "JFK - The Smoking Gun" you can watch it on youtube for $3. chronology: Yes, and there is around 15 other documentaries claiming to show how everyone from LBJ to Israel to Joe DiMaggio committed the supposed assassination. 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