JFK 50 years and still people believe conspiracies. (Page 5)

davesdatahut
davesdatahut: I forget the exact explanation for the physical way his body reacted...but it made eminent sense that the shot came from behind, especially when the head injuries and fractures were examined. They could only have come from a rear entry wound. Here is a link to the program:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/cold-case-jfk.html
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chronology
chronology: dyhasty1949. With respect you have not checked the facts at all before posting that comment. Mr Kennedy was not 'pushed' back, he 'fell' backwards, partly with the whiplash effect of being struck from behind. Mr Kennedy was also strapped into what amounted to a small steel bar cage of his back brace which also affected the way he fell backwards.

It is also not widely known among Americans, but Mr Kennedy also had strong elastic wrapping around his lower back. This seems to have been something he used perhaps to support his steel brace from slipping. Doctors at Parkland said the back brace had not been struck by any bullets, they also could not think of a reason why the President would wind strong elastic straps around his lower back. Personally, I would suggest the logical explanation was his constant back pain.

Anyway, with steel bar back braces, strong elastic straps, trying to establish the ballistics response to shots has always been problematical, but all the tests done demonstrate the shots came from behind.
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dhasty1949
dhasty1949: Is it a rumor that all the facts about this matter are going to be release some time in the 2060"s.I have my own interpretations based on my knowledge of Newtonian physics and what I think I am seeing in the film. As an old cynic I do not believe we are as well informed as we are told. I do not hear that ring of truth in all that we have been told regarding this. Politicians are noted for lying and the media for slanting things. Who ever it was that said "don't believe any thing you hear and only half of what you see" nailed it in this case.
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Dhasty, check out the NOVA broadcast I linked to above. It is very interesting and objective.
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dhasty1949
dhasty1949: I am not having much luck with that link, I do not have the best computer skills and keep being hit with some thing to buy or off the subject. Thanks for the tip davesdahut
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Try this... go to www.pbs.org
Under the menu for programs, go to NOVA. Once you are at the NOVA page, type Kennedy into the search bar. You should them see a program about modern ballistics testing.
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dhasty1949
dhasty1949: giving it a shot or should i say a try, thanks
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dhasty1949
dhasty1949: I keep ending up with the same conglomerate of overwhelming disorganization. I think the problem is two fold. #1 my computer skills are poor and #2,is the net is formatted with the same thing that politics is noted for, namely indirectness by means of redundant overload. I will keep trying. Thanks
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lori100
lori100: From daves Nova video^^^^---------------
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lori100
lori100: nova^^^-----------
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lori100
lori100: nova^^^------
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Are you able to copy and then paste this into the search bar of your web browser?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/cold-case-jfk.html
If you can't past it in, try typing it in.
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lori100
lori100: found the nova video^^^ on youtube---------------
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dhasty1949
dhasty1949: Just finished the video, thanks, let me take a few minutes to digest all this.
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Super! I hope you found it interesting.
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dhasty1949
dhasty1949: Very interesting. What is to made of the stream of brain matter coming from the back of kennedy's head and spraying onto the trunk of the limo?
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: That, I assume, is a matter for the physicists to explain. But a lot of the questions about the physical evidence and actions in the shooting were addressed in that NOVA film in a very scientific way, which is the best way to analyze the available evidence.
On your question...I'm going to take a guess that this was due to the whiplash effect following the shooting and the fact that the limo was moving forward, so naturally some of the material would have landed behind Kennedy.
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dhasty1949
dhasty1949: Hardly any thing in this world is 100% and skepticism has failed me less than gullibility.
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chronology
chronology: dhasty1949. What video shows any 'stream' of brain matter from JFKs head? The Z movie clearly shows an explosion at the side of JFKs head clearly indicative of a shot from above and behind.

Lori. The X Ray photographs mean nothing unless you can provide serial numbers of the photographs and signed statements by people present when they were taken. Have a look at the forensic video where an X Ray specialist places a pair of scissors and a pack of cigarettes inside JFKs skull. Pure nonsense.

Even the 'Grassy Knoll' crazies eventually had to concede the explosion of JFKs head was the result of a rear shot. They still cling onto their invisible picket fence sniper by insisting his bullet struck JFK at the same time as Oswalds shot, only it passed through the hole made by Oswald.

Look if you Guys want to keep rejecting fact after fact in favour of wild speculation, why not just say the Z movie is fake? Why not say they just bashed in JFKs head in with hammers after stopping the Limo in Dealey Plaza? That would make as much sense as all these other theories which would need the complicity of Dallas P.D. and folks in Dallas.
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dhasty1949
dhasty1949: The Zapgruder tapes, why is Jackie scrambling back and scooping it up in her hands?
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chronology
chronology: dhasty1949. If you have discussed the ballistic impact, you may have heard it was a side out explosion from a back to front impact. The side of JFKs head was literally blown out of his skull, this type of explosion is completely random. Some pieces were thrown into the air above JFK. Gravity being gravity , they are going to come down somewhere, the boot of the Limo is as likely as anywhere, hence Jackie scrambling back onto the boot to pick up a piece of his skull. Surely you do not still cling onto the 'Grassy Knoll shooter' idea?,

Lori posted her X ray video. An interesting fact about the Official X ray examination is that no fragments of any bullet than Oswald's were found inside JFKs skull.

No bullet fragments, no shooter credibly seen on the Grassy Knoll, no exit wound in JFKs skull of a shot from the front, well gee, how could conspiracy theorists spin a grassy knoll shooter into the assignation? Well the bullet hit JFK at the same time as Oswalds and passed through the same holes made by Oswald without leaving a trace of ever being there.

The chances of that happening are the same as a Donkey from the Coney Island Donkey Rides winning the Kentucky Derby. No insult to the Coney Island Donkey's, I know the kids from New York love them.
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Jackie was scrambling back because the forces of physics and gravity did their thing. The bullet entered. Skull pieces were blown apart. The car kept moving forward, so some skull pieces naturally came down behind Kennedy. This seems perfectly logical. All other theories seem a good bit less than perfectly logical.
It remains possible that Oswald had co-conspirators. It also remains possible that he had none. No clear evidence has ever emerged that he acted with others. None. Only speculation. And the ballistics tests suggest very strongly that he was the lone shooter.
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chronology
chronology: dave. Good points. You know I had to laugh when I went over some photographs of Coney Island. Right there in the Sky above the beach was a Drone, one of the three propellor hover types. Lori would feel at home if she ever left LA to sample some Brooklyn Sea air. No offence Lori, but you would stand out with your California sun tan.
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: A tin-foil hat stand could easily be set up right at the end of the D train. It stops right near Coney Island Avenue.
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dhasty1949
dhasty1949: Stepping back and looking at the big picture here and taking into account all possibilities, I just find it hard to believe that it was all Oswald acting alone and that there was no suppression of evidence.
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