Whats Going On in Kiev? (Page 2)

davidk14: .
So the 'people' who are revolting against the Russian dominance are revolting over the lie?

TroyBooooy: Yes. The power hungry people will fall, if the people against them unite

davidk14: .

So what you are saying is that the people who do not want to be dominated by communism ( ala Russia) are in the wrong?

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TroyBooooy: No, no. The people who are for communism are the ones who are wrong. Their way of thinking is out dated, plus it's hypocrisy. There can never be a place where all men/women are equal.

duncan124:
So everywhere there will be outlaws? --( men and women are equal in the law courts).

TroyBooooy: There are already outlaws everywhere, it's on ly time before they make themselves known.

dave3974: you are wrong russia is no longer communist

TroyBooooy: Officially, they aren't, but theyr'e government still shows the effects of communism.

TroyBooooy: and ruled by it.

smelly 500: that's an easy one Dawngurl....Russia is no country...160 connected mafioso own 90% of nation...its a vicious criminal enterprise run by thugs and killers...u want to be part of that?....neither do the long suffering Ukrainians...they want be in western world....not part of mafia Russia

dave3974: we do not need another poor country in the eu , which was never on offer anyway

smelly 500: very, very humane attitude dave3974

dave3974: how about letting them join the usa and giving green cards to the world --ah i thought not

OCD_OCD:

Comandante FiLTH: While it might seem harsh, I think that Dave has a point. An EU with stable countries and a strong market will benefit everyone (including other European countries) better.

The13th: While it may be true that the original episode is EU vs non-EU, somewhere along the line some political faction is using the opportunity to oust the government by pumping sniper bullets into unsuspected victims and blame it on ousted government. And most likely, some faction of the society against another. Very foul.

dave3974: and the west is implicated

The13th: And I wonder why UK is so enthusiastic. I got an impression that since they stick to pound and sterling they are not having too much faith in EU at least in its present state.
I said "enthusiastic" because unlike the cold war era you have to make a stand no matter you are right or wrong. Its enemies on the other side of line. This whole "support Ukraine to join EU" stuff does not feel like stand, a struggle, a matter of life and dead. It felt a bit like "let's maximize this opportunity to one up Russia" because see what they do to us in the last few years. Settle some old and new scores that's all. The Ukraine gov is using their population to gain power. The west is using Ukraine to settle some scores with Russia. Everyone is trying to use everyone else.

dave3974: so true , the sad thing is that Russia is being constantly humiliated and they are not the enemy

OCD_OCD: Putin has called for Ukraine to remove their troops from eastern Ukraine. How can you justify that? You can't. It's their country. It's not Russia.

The13th: Believe me Putin is trying to save lives. Ukraine government know that their soldiers will not fight russia. At the first contact the Ukraine solildiers will run, then the Ukraine gov will just bomb and kill their own soldiers then claimed the Russian has invaded the country but all these will not achieve anything.

OCD_OCD: If Putin is trying to save lives, he'll tell the "pro-Russian" dissidents to stop with the havoc and violence in Ukraine.

The13th: I am not sure whats the idealistic goal of EU, but I imagine a union of European countries would mean in future people in Europe live happily together, the Bulgarian will love the Romania who love the Hungarian who love the Russian who love the Ukraine who love the Egnlish who love the German that sort of things. Their scientists and mathematicians and computer programmer are going to work together to create marveolous stuffs, and make US pale by comparison, No more World War etc. But apparently I was wrong, it looks like the EU work more like a gang. This gang is going to alienate Russia which is an important part of Europe and potential EU member just so that they can get hold of a piece of pie called Ukraine. EU has done nothing to pacify the current situation, or adopt a more diplomatic approach by asking both sides to back down, but rather intentionally add fuel to an already tense situation by standing on the side of Ukrain and threaten Russia with sanction. Make no mistake how Russian think: this bunch of turkey is trying to deny my destiny again by plotting behind my backyard. This is war and I have to act. And the EU is creating a permanent enemy in Russia. And I cannot imagine Ukraine's well being with a powerful (but has been very reasonable so far) enemy just next to their border. Would EU works without Russia I dont know. If that is what EU wants by all means go ahead and play the game.

duncan124:
The New EU is built on the former EU. Surviving countries that that do not adhere to the agreements of the former EU will suffer.

Perhaps it is an Extinction Event ! This time of Google and the other old national media companies.

dave3974: the Ukraine "government " is sending troops to fight civilian protesters , there have already ben many deaths , this week they stood and watched and prevented firefighters reaching a building where subsequently 30 + died .
how can russia stand by and ignore this