Do guns protect you, or simply cause violence? (Page 250)

LoisS
LoisS: That just sounds like an irresponsible gun owner. The drawer should have been locked. Esp if there is a toddler about who gets into everything. If it was safely put away like it should have been. That most likely wouldnt have happened. How tragic.
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Sir Loin: I'm curious, In USA who actually handles issuing of permits to own firearms? Is there an independent authority doing mental health checks on applicants? Do owners have to provide adequate security for storing their guns?
Why are concealed carry permits ever issued?
Oh yes, in USA you can use a gun to protect property, since when has a bicycle been more important than a human life?
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ghostgeek: Something new in the land of flying bullets:

Six people including three children have been killed in a school shooting in Nashville, Tennessee, according to local authorities.

On Twitter, the city's fire department said there were "multiple patients" from an incident at a local school.

Nashville police said they engaged and killed the shooter, a 28-year-old woman.

Police are still working to identify the victims.

At a news conference, police spokesperson Don Aaron confirmed the dead include three children, three staff members and the shooter.

One police officer was wounded by cut glass while responding to the incident, police said. Two officers who entered the building went towards the sound of gunfire and encountered the shooter on the school's second floor, where they fatally shot her.

The suspect was carrying two "assault-type" rifles and at least one pistol which has been recovered at the scene. The identity of the shooter remains unclear.

[ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65092102 ]

I guess the ladies have got tired of being left out of the fun.
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I guess she identified as a man

By Matt Delaney and Jeff Mordock - The Washington Times - Updated: 6:08 p.m. on Monday, March 27, 2023

A heavily armed woman who identified as a male killed three students and three adult staff members Monday at a private Christian school in Nashville, Tennessee, before police shot her dead, in a rare mass shooting carried out by a female suspect.

Police said shooter Audrey E. Hale, 28, was a transgender person who had a “manifesto” at home and had drawn a detailed map of the school. Hale, a biological female who identified as “he/him,” was a former student at the school.

The violence at The Covenant School took place when Hale shot her way through a locked side door of the building. She was carrying two AR assault-style rifles and a pistol; police said two of the firearms were obtained legally in the Nashville area.

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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/mar/27/audrey-hale-identified-nashville-school-shooter-re/

We really need better mental health care in the USA...along with better gun control.

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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: More People are Dropping Dead in The Streets Every dayfrom Drug Overdoses Young People in there Prime , Than Get Killed by But Does any one Care No , Cos The Brainwashing News or Politicans Never Makes it a issue
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By Perry Stein
Reporter covering the Justice Department.

Tennessee has “weak” gun control laws, according to Everytown for Gun Safety, a gun control advocacy organization. The state allows people to own automatic assault weapons and does not have a law banning high-capacity ammunition magazines. In 2022, Guns & Ammo, a magazine dedicated to firearms and ammunitions, ranked Tennessee as the 12th best state in the country for gun owners.

The state recently allowed residents to carry handguns in public without a permit. State officials are considering lowering the age to carry handguns without a permit from 21 years old to 18, according to the Associated Press.
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Three 9-year-olds. Three adults. They all spent their Monday morning at the Covenant School in Nashville before a shooter opened fire at the private school that serves about 200 students, from prekindergarten to sixth grade.

Nashville police identified the six victims in the shooting as Evelyn Dieckhaus, Hallie Scruggs and William Kinney, all 9; and Katherine Koonce, 60; Cynthia Peak, 61; and Mike Hill, 61.

The children were students at the school and the adults were staff members, police said during an afternoon news conference. Koonce is listed on Covenant’s website as the head of the school. Peak was a substitute teacher and Hill was a custodian, police said.

“Ours is a unique challenge — to educate twenty-first-century children in a way that prepares them to impact their culture and think in accordance with timeless Truth,” Koonce writes in a note on the school’s website.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/03/27/nashville-shooting-victims/

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Andy Ogles is devastated (he represents the district where the shooting occurred)

“DEVASTATED” GOP CONGRESSMAN ANDY OGLES, WHO REPRESENTS THE COVENANT SCHOOL’S DISTRICT, POSED IN GUN-TOTING CHRISTMAS CARD

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/03/andy-ogles-covenant-school-christmas-card

Why so many guns on Christmas cards? Because Jesus was ‘manly and virile.’
Muscular Christianity — with scriptural interpretations that can favor ‘stand your ground’ over ‘turn the other cheek’ — has a long tradition in the United States

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/14/guns-christmas-thomas-massie-lauren-boebert/
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Wow!

mdsloane77 saw that
mdsloane77 all the adults were 60 or above weren't they?
mdsloane77 3 kids 9--9 and almost 9
retflwidower yeah
mdsloane77 crazy
mdsloane77 all I can say
mdsloane77 thankfully they took out the Tranny

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THE BLAST EFFECT

By N. Kirkpatrick, Atthar Mirza and Manuel Canales
March 27 at 6:06 a.m.

This is how bullets from an AR-15 blow the body apart

The scenes of chaos and terror are all too familiar in America.

The AR-15 fires bullets at such a high velocity — often in a barrage of 30 or even 100 in rapid succession — that it can eviscerate multiple people in seconds. A single bullet lands with a shock wave intense enough to blow apart a skull and demolish vital organs. The impact is even more acute on the compact body of a small child.

“It literally can pulverize bones, it can shatter your liver and it can provide this blast effect,” said Joseph Sakran, a gunshot survivor who advocates for gun violence prevention and a trauma surgeon at Johns Hopkins Hospital.

During surgery on people shot with high-velocity rounds, he said, body tissue “literally just crumbled into your hands.”

The carnage is rarely visible to the public. Crime scene photos are considered too gruesome to publish and often kept confidential. News accounts rely on antiseptic descriptions from law enforcement officials and medical examiners who, in some cases, have said remains were so unrecognizable that they could be identified only through DNA samples.

As Sakran put it: “We often sanitize what is happening.”

The Washington Post sought to illustrate the force of the AR-15 and reveal its catastrophic effects.

The first part of this report is a 3D animation that shows the trajectory of two different hypothetical gunshots to the chest — one from an AR-15 and another from a typical handgun — to explain the greater severity of the damage caused by the AR-15.

The second part depicts the entrance and exit wounds of two actual victims — Noah Pozner, 6, and Peter Wang, 15 — killed in school shootings when they were struck by multiple bullets.

This account is based on a review of nearly 100 autopsy reports from several AR-15 shootings as well as court testimony and interviews with trauma surgeons, ballistics experts and a medical examiner.

The records and interviews show in stark detail the unique mechanics that propel these bullets — and why they unleash such devastation in the body.

What makes the weapon so deadly is the speed of that bullet.

It is small and light. Its cartridge holds enough propellant to send the bullet flying out of the barrel at a speed that would cross six football fields in a second.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-damage-to-human-body/?itid=hp_most-read_p004_f003_1
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Two children, many bullets

When multiple bullets from an AR-15 strike one body, they cause a cascade of catastrophic damage.

This is the trauma witnessed by first responders — but rarely, if ever, seen by the public or the policymakers who write gun laws.

The Post determined that there is a public interest in demonstrating the uniquely destructive power of the AR-15 when used to kill.

What follows is a detailed depiction showing the impact of bullets fired from AR-15s at two young victims. It is based on autopsy reports for Noah Pozner and Peter Wang that The Post obtained through public records.

Due to the unusual visual nature of the presentation, The Post took the added step of seeking — and receiving — the consent of the victims’ families before proceeding with this account. The Post offered the families the opportunity to view the depictions in advance of publication, which they declined to do.

The families also declined to be interviewed for this story, but a spokesperson for the Wang family offered a statement explaining why Peter’s parents, Hui and Kong Wang, provided their consent to The Post.

“Peter’s parents want people to know the truth,” said Lin Chen, their niece and Peter’s cousin. “They want people to know about Peter. They want people to remember him.”

This presentation may be disturbing to some people.

Full Report (same link as above)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/ar-15-damage-to-human-body/?itid=hp_most-read_p004_f003_1
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It took 11 minutes for the shooter to kill 60 people and injure 869 others at a Las Vegas concert.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_shooting
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Comparing magazine sizes

In the 30 seconds it takes a person to reload and shoot a 10-round magazine three times, someone with a 100-round magazine can shoot 100 bullets without reloading.
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High-capacity-magazine bans could save lives. Will they hold up in court?

By Mark Berman and Todd C. Frankel
March 27 at 6:13 a.m.

Most states do not limit magazine sizes. But within the past year, lawmakers in four states have added restrictions capping magazine sizes at anywhere from 10 to 17 rounds — and Oregon voters in November approved a 10-round limit. Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D) signed a bill in January that included a ban on the sale of long-gun magazines with more than 10 rounds.

Such efforts, however, face growing legal challenges from gun rights advocates — and the issue could ultimately wind up with the Supreme Court ruling on a pivotal question: whether the right to bear arms extends to these ammunition magazines.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/high-capacity-magazine-ban-legal-challenges/?itid=co_enhanced_ar15_2
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: If I'm hunting and I need more than 2 shots to secure a deer I don't deserve to be eating meat. Almost always 1 shot is all it takes
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: USA WTF is wrong with you?
You can ban TikTok but you can't ban murder weapons like assault rifles!
And this latest killer in Nashville, he obtained 7 firearms while having a mental illness! WHAAAAAT?
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GeraldTheGnumbnut
GeraldTheGnumbnut: #CrazyMofoLivesMatter lol
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One thing is for sure, there will be more people and children killed with the AR-15 before we can get these last ones buried.

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How nice that at least one young couple, and perhaps more, can have well-paying jobs to enable them to afford a house and a better standard of living.

Of course others pay the price for this with their lives, but let us not dwell on that.

Perhaps even more well-paying jobs can be created by opening a prosthetics factory, to serve those mauled but not killed by AR-15s.

Also, a casket factory should do well, in anticipation of nationwide increase of gun inflicted deaths.

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A Southern town embraces its AR-15 factory

In tiny Mayodan, N.C., the Ruger plant is a source of jobs, not controversy — a sign of how conservative areas are welcoming an industry increasingly shunned by liberal states

By Ashley Parker and Josh Dawsey


MAYODAN, N.C. — Kelly Menard had been working the front counter at the Sunrise gas station here for a few months when she began chatting with the man who stopped in every day a little after 5 p.m.

Menard was making $7.25 an hour, and when she learned that her regular customer worked for the Sturm, Ruger & Co. gun manufacturing plant on the outskirts of town, she asked if they were hiring. She was eager for a better-paying job. Ruger was always looking for people, he said. If she wanted to work, he’d put in a good word.

Menard put in an application and got a call the next day.

She started in December 2020 and nearly doubled her minimum-wage salary, making $14 an hour plus overtime for five 10-hour shifts a week. The money allowed her and her husband to buy their first house — a white vinyl and brick three-bedroom ranch home, with a yard and large carport. Working the predawn first shift allowed her to spend her afternoons with her son Bryson, now 3.

Since she joined Ruger, Menard, 24, has been working on the AR-15 line, helping to assemble the hundreds of semiautomatic rifles the plant produces during each of its two daily shifts. Putting together the weapons requires speed and precision, and the workers are on their feet for hours. It is a complicated process with about 30 stations. Some workers put in the trigger and the hammer; others assemble tubes and barrels; others work on the muzzle and the grip. Menard switches stations based on the day.

Menard said that she has heard the AR line is the fastest one in the plant — adding that she’s one of the fastest workers on that line.

“I’m so used to the work, I can put one together in my sleep,” she said

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2023/gun-factory-economy-ar-15/


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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: As we knew must happen, there's been another incident in the land of flying bullets:

Five people have died in a shooting at a bank in the US city of Louisville, Kentucky

One of those killed was the suspected shooter who police believe was a former employee of the bank

Eight people were injured and have been taken to hospital, including two police officers

The Kentucky governor fought back tears as he spoke about close friends of his who had been killed in the incident

Witnesses told US media the gunman opened fire in the bank's conference room

President Joe Biden described the shooting as "senseless", and called on Republicans in Congress to take action on gun control

[ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65233548 ]
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Not being too knowledgeable about American politics, I'm left wondering what the president is for if he can't take action on gun control.
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Biden Concedes He Is Powerless to Act on Guns Without Congress

“I have gone the full extent of my executive authority to do, on my own, anything about guns,” President Biden said.


By Michael D. Shear
March 28, 2023

WASHINGTON — President Biden on Tuesday declared himself powerless to respond to the scourge of gun violence in America, a remarkably blunt admission one day after an assailant killed six people, including three children, at a school in Nashville.

“I have gone the full extent of my executive authority to do, on my own, anything about guns,” Mr. Biden told reporters, responding to questions about what actions he could take to prevent mass shootings.

It was a stark and surprising statement by the president, who essentially threw up his hands in the face of one of the most intractable problems facing American society.

While the political system has remained all but deadlocked for more than a decade on major changes to gun laws — despite one horrifying shooting after another — Mr. Biden sought to shift the burden to the senators and representatives who have so far refused to act.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/28/us/politics/biden-guns-congress.html

President Biden Discusses his Efforts to Reduce Gun Violence (streamed 3 weeks ago)

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In the USA we have Federal laws and State laws.

Federal law regulates gun ownership to some degree, including restricting the ownership of certain types of firearms. The National Firearms Act (NFA), for instance, restricts the sale or possession of short-barreled shotguns, machine guns, and silencers.

State laws vary from state to state.

This past June the Supreme court expanded gun rights.

Supreme Court expands gun rights, with nation divided
By JESSICA GRESKO
June 23, 2022

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a major expansion of gun rights after a series of mass shootings, the Supreme Court said Thursday that Americans have a right to carry firearms in public for self-defense, a ruling likely to lead to more people legally armed. The decision came out as Congress and states debate gun-control legislation.

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https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-guns-decision-58d01ef8bd48e816d5f8761ffa84e3e8
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This is the executive order that Biden signed March 14, 2023.

MARCH 14, 2023

FACT SHEET: President Biden Announces New Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make Our Communities Safer


STATEMENTS AND RELEASES
Today, in Monterey Park, California, President Biden will announce an Executive Order with the goal of increasing the number of background checks conducted before firearm sales, moving the U.S. as close to universal background checks as possible without additional legislation. The Executive Order will also keep more guns out of dangerous hands by increasing the effective use of “red flag” laws, strengthen efforts to hold the gun industry accountable, and accelerate law enforcement efforts to identify and apprehend the shooters menacing our communities. President Biden is also encouraging the Federal Trade Commission to issue a public report analyzing how gun manufacturers market firearms to minors.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/03/14/fact-sheet-president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-reduce-gun-violence-and-make-our-communities-safer/
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The Authority of the President

The President of the United States of America has the ability to issue executive orders. In fact, executive orders can be traced all the way back to this country’s first President, George Washington. An executive order is a means of issuing federal directives by the President to manage the operations of the federal government. The legal or constitutional basis for executive orders has multiple sources.

The authority of the President to issue an executive order is not expressly stated in the United States Constitution, but rather implied. This implied power comes from Article II, Section 1, which states: “The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.” Furthermore, Section 3 of Article II states that the President “shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.”

In some cases, the President has statutory authority to issue executive orders, as codified in Title 3 of the Code of Federal Regulations with the force of law. Although the President does not need Congressional approval to issue an executive order, Congress can revoke an executive order by enacting new laws subject to the President’s veto power or withholding federal funding. Executive orders are not, however, without limitations and are subject to legal review by the federal courts and the U.S. Supreme Court.

https://www.uslawshield.com/biden-take-away-guns-gun-control-2/
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