Communism - Workers of the world unite! (Page 11)

ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Greece had a choice. There were no tanks poised to invade. It could have gone its own way and done without more bailout money. It could have been bust but free. Instead they couldn't wait to get their greedy little paws on any cash going. They deserve all they get.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Ghostseek said:

"Greece had a choice .... they couldn't wait to get their greedy little paws on any cash going."

I agree with you about "someone in Greece took those loans, but who?"

The law dictates that if you sign for a loan, you are responsible to repay that loan, right?

What we see in Capitalist societies are "politicians" signing for loans and then claiming that the citizens are responsible for the debt.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: The Greeks have just had an election, and they've voted in the party that took the latest loans. Seems to me the citizens get what they vote for.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Syriza. I don't think so.

Actually, the party that took the loans was voted out. Syriza said "NO." So follow me on this - "How does it make sense for a politician to receive all the money but burden the taxpayers for decades after he has left?"

That element of Capitalism is non-sensical and dysfunctional.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Let's see. Syriza were voted in on an anti-austerity platform. They then go cap in hand asking for more money from Merkel and Co. Yes they are told, bring in austerity and you can have some more cash. They hold a referendum, the people vote against austerity and are ignored. Greece gets its cash and austerity. The governing party resigns, elections are held, and Syriza receives enough support to form a new government. The Greeks had their chance, they voted, and must put up with the consequences. No tears shed here for them.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Yes and No.

Ghost, Greece is a great example of "Debt Slavery." The reality is that Greece is stuck. They own so much money and have very little productivity, they must do one of two things: 1) austerity or 2) produce more.

Think of you and I with our budgets. If you have 1000 in debt and 900 in credit, either you increase credits (produce more) or decrease debt (austerity).

Syriza tried to say that the Banker Austerity was not helping the country improve its situation, which is accurate.

Still, the original party to the debt is not in power. Syriza is repaying loans made by another entity. Thus, Marx was correct: Capitalism is a Dead End.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Greece tricked its way into the Euro, even though it was well known before the currency was launched that it would cause woe when the first crisis came along. Along comes the crisis, along comes the woe, and still the people of Greece want to stay in the Euro. They made their bed, now it's time for them to lie in it.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Ghost, I am guessing you have studied the Euro Zone. You take dozens of countries with different cultures, currencies and languages. Originally, the EU Belgium government said that every nation must follow the rule of having a public debt of a certain percentage.

Of course, the PIIGS just ignored that. Now the PIIGS are in hot water. The problem with the EU and Capitalism is that it "punishes the hard working forcing them to pay for lazy bums." Greece today. Spain tomorrow.

You are right, "they made their bed ...."
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Communist_
Communist_: Sorry for the late reply.

@ghostgeek, those early Che quotes are fake. I've read all Che's speeches and not once did he mention any of those.

Also, like @gronchbove, the banks rule the world. The bank owners are considered the 1%. The 1% control almost everything.

Now, Lenin stated that the final stage of Capitalism is Imperialism. After Imperialism, it will lead to Corporatism. Corporatism is more famously known as - Fascism. Benito Mussolini "a better word for fascism is corporatism." Hence, it backs Lenin's quote "Fascism is Capitalism in decay."

Now, for evidence.

Imperialism is not going out and creating an empire, conquering Earth. Imperialism is when a country exploits another country. This is done when a countries private company sets up markets in the other country. This destroys the other nations economy.

How:

Say A went to B and placed a large bank there. B had two small banks already. Those banks would die due to competition. So now B creates no profit and B is now simply a monopoly and its entire population is exploited by A. Hence the term Monopoly Capitalism. This is imperialism.

As the large companies grow, they take over the small, eventually everything will fall into the hands of just the very few.

Now, how does this lead to Corporatism? Remember Feudalism? It was based on the idea of "protection." What these private corporations such as banks can't buy is protection. So this is when a merger with governmental power occurs. This has happened in USA, UK etc.

"Fascism is the merger of private property and the government. Therefore it should be more rightly called Corporatism" Benito Mussolini.


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The wars in Libya, Syria etc are all imperial wars. They're proxy wars. They're fought between opposing bank owners.
Syria - Assad is a Russian puppet. But US wants to exploit the Syrian instead.
Libya - Russia exploiting Libyans, US remove Gaddafi.

This is only going to lead to one thing. Like Lenin said, eventually all the areas avaliable will be split into spheres by the private corporate owners, Ex: Banks. That means there will be no space left. This will lead to a global war.

This is exactly what happened in 1914, WWI.


What has to be done is to nationalise all private companies. To remove the value of money, to destroy the government and to get rid of the state. This can be achieved in a communist society. To get to communism, a transition phase of Socialism is required.






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gronchbove
gronchbove: Communist, great post. Gerald Celente has stated the same thing about Corporatism, it is simply Fascism in disguise. Greece is the prime example. The Greeks voted (democracy and communism would respect their vote). What did the Fascists do with Greece? Ignore the vote.

The Danglo Bankers are Fascists who believe every man, woman and child is a thing to be "abused." Sweden has discussed "outlawing money."

All that Marx has predicted is coming true!
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Communist_
Communist_: Exactly!

The Greek leftist government tried to get out of the Euro zone, leaving EU.

However, Germany, France etc prevented this. They need to continue to exploit Greece so Greece never develops.

This is what the imperialists do, simply preventing other nations from developing. If the other nations did develop, their western influence will greatly be reduced.

Take Africa for example, Africa has by far the most resources, surely if they were allowed to develop they'll become a powerful continent. Gaddafi tried to unite and develop Africa. NATO kicked him out.

Einstein, who was also a socialist and an open admirer of Lenin stated "there are hundreds of countries in the world, but around five run this world"
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gronchbove
gronchbove: Yes, good post Communist.

The United States, England and Israel are the primary rulers. They even have top banks in China. Germany is still a puppet since the US has military in the country.

Just think about Greece for a second - "the people voted and said they did not want any more loans. They rejected the deal. The Danglo bankers said NO." I mean that is illegal.

No one can FORCE you to accept money. It is called slavery.

Capitalism is a "smile on a crocodile" they get you to believe everything is great, but in the end, they are just wanting to turn you into a slave.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Those Greeks didn't vote to have no more loans, they voted to have no more austerity. What they wanted was to stay in the Euro Zone, to have all the loans they could get, but not to have to live within their means. It's called wanting to have your cake and eating it. Naturally, they got a big fat raspberry from Germany. Germany, the imperial power, doesn't like to fund other people's profligacy.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: They voted NO to the present terms of the agreement.

The loans were established by the previous government, who are now enjoying their money in Swiss bank accounts. The new government said under Contract Law, we can negotiate our own terms. That is the law.

No one can force a loan upon you.

No, Germany violated democracy. Germany ignored the will of the people. Germany violated the sovereignty of the Greeks.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: The Syriza government tried to negotiate new terms. It failed, and was faced with bankruptcy, and an exit from the Euro, or accepting whatever terms were offered it. It caved in and took the money.

As for the will of the people, the Greek public subsequently voted Syriza back into power.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: OK, Ghost. I agree with your assessment there. Yes, initially Syriza said NO, but now its financial situation is so bad, it took the money, like a two-bit whore.

Yes, I agree with you.

Do I support Greece or Syriza? No. They are idiots and deserve what they get.

Will other countries become just like Greece? Yes. If they continue to follow the Danglo Capitalists Debt model, they might inevitably become as pathetic as Greece.

Good post, Ghost.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Thank you. To be honest, I was hoping that the Greeks would say no, leave the Euro and find some sort of salvation. As it is, I can't see it being anything other than more of the same for them.
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gronchbove
gronchbove: To be honest, I agree with you.

Greece has no future.

With bad debt, you must clean house.

Like Iceland.

Sadly, Spain, Italy, Ireland and Portugal may be next down the Greece path to ruin.
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theHating
theHating: Neat
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chronology
chronology: Wonder what became of old gronchhove. He was like a resident of wire today ranting and raging against the U.S. none stop. Someone said that the Chap went to another site or something.
There can't be that many web owners as tolerant as Rod.
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ehartshorn77
ehartshorn77: So what do you think about the Space Program needing a Report on Manufactures?
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Whole website is about the United States

If you don't kiss the butt of totial hypocrites who go on about feedom and Cry at the sound of the national athem they delete it .
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Only fools listen to hearsay
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Fractured fairy tale
Fractured fairy tale: Yes men and butt kissers , are the bain of society . Unfortunately there everywhere
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southern farm boy
southern farm boy: Trump will destroy you communists and socialists.
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