The Robots are coming (Page 12) briansmythe: A lot of those Bill Gates and hi tech millionaires are advocating for a minimum wage and that .But like you said the politions see them as a threat to government control  kittybobo34: went to a seminar on that system, the numbers don't crunch well. The US Gov. takes in via taxes about 1 trillion, the cost of this system would be in the nature of 3 trillion. So we are going to have to come up with a whole new idea, briansmythe: Yeah it neds a whole rethink of the system sooner or latter. If they stopped playing world cop. Just had a defensive military they would save billions. The politicians would have to take a pay cut and end there special privileges too. But they would never do that Oh a seminar that would of been interesting  ghostgeek: To my mind one thing is certain. The way the world is shaping up is going to lead to something entirely new in human history. A revolution in the way we exist. No one before has ever had to contemplate the ramifications of sharing the planet with intelligent machines. The generation now living has that challenge. This is virgin territory, for which there are no maps, so we will blindly go where no one has gone before. It's enough to scare anyone.  chronology: Don't know ghost Old Chap. People are more resilient than you seem to give them credit for. I remember that classic scene in John Stienbeck's Book 'The Grapes of Wrath' . When the farming family had to join the stream of people leaving the land they had grown up in and leave behind all their friends and neibours and memories. As the old Guy in the family said 'somepin has got into the people' . Whatever the reason for the mass movement of people, ultimately it was in the best interests of the people in the long run. Their decendents today are living high quality lives in California and New York and Chicago. People just have to adjust to the Robotic and A.I. transition. It was sure one strugle to survive during the 'Dust Bowl Exedus' . I still remember hearing of one family who put all their old belongings in a old caart and dragged it to a road. They then waited for a friendly person who would give them a hitch with their cart to California. Sure enough they got their lift, and off to California they went. They faced a lot of put down and prejudice in California, but hey, they kept going. ghostgeek: Here's something for all you optimists ( that sure doesn't include me ) ROBOTS will make more jobs than they take in the UK, according to a new report. The combination of artificial intelligence and robotics will displace up to 7 million jobs between 2017 and 2037. However, this will lead to a reduction in costs and increases in spending, which in turn could generate 7.2 million jobs – a net gain of 200,000 jobs, according to accountancy firm PwC. Jobs in health, scientific and technical services, and hospitality are predicted to increase, while those in manufacturing, transport and storage, and public administration will decrease. [ https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931873-700-robots-and-ai-will-actually-create-more-jobs-than-they-take/ ] I have but one question. Why should we think that jobs in the health, scientific, technical services and hospitality sectors will not also be decimated? ghostgeek: LG is introducing CLOi (pronounced KLOH-ee), a line of three new concept robots specifically developed for commercial use at hotels, airports and supermarkets. The trio will be unveiled at CES 2018, the Consumer Technology Association’s show, this week in Las Vegas. The purpose of the Serving Robot is to deliver meals and drinks to guests and customers at hotels and airport lounges quickly and efficiently. The robot can deliver food or refreshments around the clock and with its built-in sliding tray, present the tray to the customer for easy removal. Once the delivery is confirmed, the Serving Robot makes its way back on its own. Designed to deliver luggage to guests’ rooms, the Porter Robot minimizes the inconvenience that may result from slow service and long wait times during a hotel stay. The Porter Robot can also handle express check-in and check-out service and take care of payment, allowing busy guests to check out and have their luggage delivered to a waiting car in a fraction of the time. Finally, LG's third new robot is made to work with customers at a supermarket, telling them the price of products and then guiding them through the aisles. Hotel guests in some major cities are getting used to robots delivering items to their rooms and one hotel in Japan is completely run by robots. Many of the hotel robots are butlers, deliver amenities and roomservice items, like the Relay robot from Savioke at the Luma Hotel Times Square in New York City and the Singapore Hotel Jen. Hotel Jen is the first international hotel brand to use autonomous Savioke Relay robots in Asia. [ https://www.hotelmanagement.net/tech/lg-introduces-robots-to-replace-hotel-employees ] ghostgeek: Robots in laboratory, life science and pharmaceutical applications perform tasks at rates beyond human capability. These robots function in potentially hazardous settings in proximity to biological dangers, the threat of radioactive contamination, and toxic chemotherapy compounds. Robotics are called upon to assemble and package a variety Robotic assisted surgery, courtesy Agile Planet Inc.of medical devices and implants as well as preparing prescriptions for mail-order pharmacies or hospitals. “Robots are doing assay analysis and automating the movement of test tubes in research laboratories. Because of the high number of samples that need analysis and the amount of data collection required, the process and costs are easily validated with robotics,” says Chetan Kapoor, Chief Executive Officer of Agile Planet Inc. (Austin, Texas) “In pharmaceutical applications, hospitals use robots to mix potentially hazardous cancer drugs and those associated with radiation.” “Laboratory automation is a growing field for robotics, from drug discovery to pharmaceutical and medical device manufacturing, to performing blood sample testing,” says James Shimano of Precise Automation Inc. (San Jose, California) “I see more interest in robotics by pharmaceutical companies for scientific research.” Robotics have considerable potential in life science applications, says Shimano. “Consumers do not directly see the impact of robotics in life science applications but robots lead to better and less expensive pharmaceuticals. Robots also dispense medications in pharmacies.” [ https://www.robotics.org/content-detail.cfm/Industrial-Robotics-Industry-Insights/Robotics-in-the-Pharmaceutical-and-Life-Sciences-Industry/content_id/2867 ] ghostgeek: Nurse robots: Healthcare robots are not only for providing physical assistance, but they also provide companionship and monitor safety and health. For instance, Pearl is a new mobile autonomous device created by Carnegie Melon University in order to act as a nurse to elderly at their homes. Peal performs the functions of a nurse, guides elder people around the vicinity, gives them medication on time and reminds them about the future medical appointments. Pearl is also able to adapt to individual problems like hearing aid, walking troubles or speed etc. Since the robots have absolutely no prejudices, they are more prone to helping elderly keeping their self-respect intact while taking assistive help. Robots don’t judge or have any feelings. They don’t get tired or need food for survival. This makes them perfect for the job. ... Robotic medical assistants: The robotic assistants help in monitoring the vital statistics of the patient and immediately alert the nurse in case of an emergency. They give a much-needed break to the nurses for taking a rest. They also enable the nurses to monitor several patients at once since most of the work is being done by the designated medical assistant. They give physical therapy to the paraplegics along with helping them to move around. These robots also help in entering the patient’s information in their electronic health record. This allows the data to be stored in one place which can be easily discovered. There is no more need of searching through physical copies to find some information. The information is collected and saved for future reference without any problem. The robotic laboratory assistants also work in medical laboratories for the collection of patient’s samples. They transport the samples, analyse them and make their storage possible. The robotic laboratory assistant also takes out blood from the patient’s vein with more precision- making is less painful and quicker. [ http://www.justscience.in/articles/robots-changing-health-care/2018/02/02 ] ghostgeek: It will be smarter. It will be faster. It will want to serve you nitrogen-infused cold brew. Coffee outfit Cafe X, which over the last two years has become a symbol of workforce automation in the Bay Area, is preparing to unveil a new robot barista at its Coffeebar 2.0 outpost, opening Feb. 27 in One Bush Plaza. The robot will be capable of serving three specialty drinks every 40 seconds, including the increasingly trendy nitrogen-infused cold brew coffee. According to the company, the robot is the first of its kind in the world. ... The robotic arms cost $25,000, according to Hu. High-end espresso machines with multiple spigots can cost upward of $19,000. Still, the $25,000 price tag is far less than what a coffee outfit would pay a human barista over multiple years, especially in California, where the minimum wage is marching toward $15. [ https://www.sfchronicle.com/columns/insidescoop/article/Cafe-X-to-debut-robot-barista-with-more-12704066.php ] chronology: ghost, there is just no escaping the fact that many jobs will go. Even the people who work at those jobs see it as inevitable. Among the jobs that will soon be gone completely are Airline Pilots, Locomotive Drivers, Ships Captains and Crews, Air Traffic Controllers, Coal Mining both deep face and strip face, Agriculture planting and harvesting. The Software and hardware to replace those jobs has been around for a decade now. 'In the workplace testing' has been completed and they just need to be 'certified safe' by Lawmakers. Right now Lawmakers in Washington are probably being lobbied day and night by Unions representing the Pilots and Miners etc to keep from signing off the paperwork . But even Union Reps know it is just a matter of time till Airliners and Mines etc go full automatic. Hopefully, no folks will loose their jobs, they just will replace people with Robotic systems eventually. Virtually all child births will be on Robot manged Tables soon, and most common place surgery will be by surgeon supervised robotic operations. These medical robots have been here for a decade or more. Most surgeons welcome them, they will just control them not loose their job to them. Everyone else in the operating theater will. A surgeon was asked what he thought of the future robot operating theaters said 'you cannot stop progress' . ghostgeek: Without customers the system will collapse. Therefore there will have to be redistribution of wealth. The poor and dispossessed must be paid to consume, otherwise the rich will be impoverished. ghostgeek: To us who have nothing, everything will be given. Thus the tyranny of consumption will reign. ghostgeek: Only the rich and powerful will be able to abstain from the never ending need to consume more and more. The tyranny of abundance will dwarf in its oppressiveness the tortures of deprivation. chronology: ghost Old Man, with respect you thinking in terms of an economic model that no longer exist. There was the story told many years ago about a factory owner in America showing a Union Leader a fully automated Production Line. He said to the Union man 'try and organize those machines into a Union' the Union man replied 'sure, but who are you going to sell the products to when no one has a job' . That story comes from an era before the 1980s. In the 1980s America, and Britain went through a period of agressive outsourcing and automation and budget cutting. It was so agressive in England the GDP actually shrunk and the nations manufacturing industry collapsed. American manufacturing began a steady spiral into terminal decline. Today both Britain and the U.S. have large 'Financial Service business' this requirs very few people shifting large amounts of money around on Wall Street. The other main business activity in Britain and the U.S. is service industry such as fast food and shops and hotels etc. Business today is global, so your assumption that people in countries need to be cultivated as consumers is not correct. The manager in the story would reply to the the union leader today 'I have plenty of customers in Asia and the Middle East' or whatever. At the moment business in Britain and the U.S. are still tired to their respective currencies, the dollar and the pound. In order to maintain the value of those currencies they have maintain a viable local currency. So replacing all workers with robots where possible would destroy both currencies as there would be a collapse in such things as property values, tax revenues, food prices, and related commodities. The time to start worrying if you want to worry is when an International currency comes into play. This would give business total freedom to. A fully automated factory trading with a global currency and a global customer base would not be taking any thought at all to the local State or nation it was located in, because essentially there would be no real reason to do so. The world still needs 'America' , without the vast scientific base which is found in America and no where else such as with most space and computer products, the world would be set back decades. But if the Corporations holding all that knowledge can be paid enough to part with the knowledge, bye bye America. So, a global currency is as important to a full robot future as robots themselves are. ghostgeek: Have you noticed how things are priced in dollars, oil for instance? And have you seen how China is automating? One reaction to rising wages in some areas of China has been for manufacturers to shift work toward poorer places, where wages can differ greatly, or out of the country entirely. Cities meanwhile use tax breaks and subsidies to keep factories competitive: About half of the companies in the Wuhan University study had accepted such aid. And, as in the US, more expensive labor makes automation more attractive. In 2015, according to the International Federation of Robotics, factories in China bought 68,000 industrial robots, 20% more than the year before, and more than all European countries combined. [ https://qz.com/1009878/chinese-factories-are-also-turning-to-automation-as-wages-rise/ ] ghostgeek: But it is indeed interesting to speculate what would happen to the world if America went "Poof" and disappeared tomorrow. Consider the following: The U.S. dropped out of the top 10 in the 2018 Bloomberg Innovation Index for the first time in the six years the gauge has been compiled. South Korea and Sweden retained their No. 1 and No. 2 rankings. The index scores countries using seven criteria, including research and development spending and concentration of high-tech public companies. The U.S. fell to 11th place from ninth mainly because of an eight-spot slump in the post-secondary, or tertiary, education-efficiency category, which includes the share of new science and engineering graduates in the labor force. Value-added manufacturing also declined. Improvement in the productivity score couldn’t make up for the lost ground. “I see no evidence to suggest that this trend will not continue,” said Robert D. Atkinson, president of the Information Technology & Innovation Foundation in Washington, D.C. “Other nations have responded with smart, well-funded innovation policies like better R&D tax incentives, more government funding for research, more funding for technology commercialization initiatives.” [ https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-22/south-korea-tops-global-innovation-ranking-again-as-u-s-falls ] ghostgeek: I'm sure the world would notice if America went "Poof" tomorrow, but I doubt it would be set back decades. | Politics Chat Room 74 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
