The Robots are coming (Page 39)

kittybobo34: Sure there are back up systems , but I was thinking about all the laid off workers. what happens when robotics are doing everything and 90% of the work force is unemployed.

chronology: Watch Michael Moor Movie. 'Roger and me' if you want to see the effect of long term unemployment.

The Democrats need to rediscover their success with the New Deal and bring Americans together.

kittybobo34: for all the candidates, there is a major lack of charisma

Fractured fairy tale: Just Moire Elitist Rubbish , Reguritatated by People who Think Americas are the Chosen people

Then would Have to bring in a Minimm wage , Problem Is Were following Americas Model of Unrestrained Capitolism , Where Only the top 2 percent get all the Wealth , And every one else Has to rely on there Generosity

Fractured fairy tale: Prolly got something to do with the Aliens , Or who ever else can conviently take the Blame

kittybobo34: Capitalism has stages, the first ones are great, lots of little businesses, most people on the same level as far as income, lots of work if you want it.

The last stages, monopoly, crony capitalism, where a few own everything and the rest are pushed to bare survival wages if they can find work at all.

America reached that point in the late 1800's and moved to anti trust legislation, worker rights, and laws regulating corporate behavior. We had a brief flowering of middle class because of it. But, corporations have managed to own, and control the legislature so we are sliding back toward Corporate heaven.

ghostgeek: Without income people can't spend. Without spending corporations go bankrupt. Seems there needs to be some income redistribution.

Fractured fairy tale: Yeah theres 1or 2 Te h Companies who can see the righting on the wall a.d are doing experiments with a minimum wage .

Having said that theres thousands of others who shove there money in the Camen Islands. And take huge Government welfare to develop killer robots
lol

chronology: Ghost, sorry Old Boy, but if I may suggest you have got it wrong. In theory capitalism is no longer capitalism when it has a fully automated production system. But not if it transforms it's consumer base.. With a global customer market corporate manufacturers Taylor their products to comply with global consumption. This system sent Japan into near bankruptcy at the turn of the millennium. Japanese business was doing fantastic. The global Japanese business companies were rocking hard. But Japan as a society was on the verge of financial collapse.

America is still a long way from that situation, but as Wall Street stagers from one year of record profits to another, while working Americans work short hours and Lawmakers wonder just how they can pay bills.

The global market looks like being here to stay. But frankly how long Lawmakers and working Americans can keep struggling by to get by, while Wall Street rake's in shed loads of money who knows.

ghostgeek: Think about it, what's more important to the system in the long-term: workers or consumers? I'm guessing that it will be consumers. So, instead of paying people to work, pay them to consume instead. As for jobs, let the rich pay to have one of those while the poor bury themselves under a mountain of goodies.

ghostgeek: Ain't nothing natural about working.

kittybobo34: The only system that seems to work is the Scandinavian version of democratic socialism,. Taxes are high, but everyone is assured health care and education. Capitalism is limited to items people can choose to buy or not.

kittybobo34: People in those countries consistently score high on the happyness scale

ghostgeek: You get health care and education paid from taxes in the UK but I don't know where people figure on the happiness scale.

ghostgeek: But why not pay people to consume? It is, after all, what we all do best.

kittybobo34: How would the gov. get the money to pay you ?

ghostgeek: You said it: taxes. On corporations, not people. But why shouldn't corporations themselves pay consumers?

kittybobo34: And corporations pass that tax back to the consumer. It seems like a pyramid scheme, where there is never enough money to cover all the costs.
There are several small countries experimenting with the universal income concept, the rest are waiting to see how it works

ghostgeek: Producers and consumers exist in a symbiotic relationship. Neither can exist for long without the other. Therefore, why shouldn't those big fat greedy corporations pay people to be consumers?

Fractured fairy tale: Theres trials in most countries California
Here some asain countries. Only samall trials but by all accounts . It makes peoples lives easier . They usually use the money on bill. Id say over 60percent here are reliant on some form of assistance from the government.
Gets rid of the red tape . And all the hoops people have to jump through

chronology: Kitty, hmmm you seem to have lost touch with news from Sweden. The major corporations in that country have been bought out by foreign owners. Contributing to a welfare state is of zero interest to them. Pretty soon Sweden will be just like England and the USA.

ghostgeek: Money is only useful while it's circulating.

Fractured fairy tale: Yeah that's right . They keep dropping Internet rates here . To stimulate the Economy get people spending. But it hasn't worked. People can't afford to spend

Fractured fairy tale: Next step is Quantitative Easing . They Reckon . Printing money put it in the Economy. There never done that before
End up like the US

ghostgeek: Makes the rich richer.