The Robots are coming (Page 79) chronology: Seems marriage is the pits as far as men are concerned, even relationships are seen as life challenging. In the past men could move on if marriage never worked out, today the Internet means they can be tracked down in no time and any money they owe taken directly out of their wages each month. The biggest cause of poverty for most men is having a child out of wedlock with some woman. They can expect to be in poverty for 20 years after that with paying child support. Now consider the alternative. A beautiful, intelligent Robot with AI. No problems of any kind. Like women themselves say it's a no brainer, women are destined for the scrapheap unless some kind of restrictions like taxes are placed on AI wives.  zeffur: re: "ghostgeek: In India people marry trees, so I'm wondering if people in the West will marry robots in the not-too-distant future?" I read an article in which a Japanese woman was jealous of how her husband treats his silicone sex doll. He explained that she never complains, always looks sexy, is great in bed, & he never has to spend any money on her... (Edited by zeffur) zeffur: re: "chronology: Ghost, a surprising comment was made about this by a women's group." Men will be growing babies in vats & having Ai bots raise them before you know it. chronology: Well zeff, I think that will be a long way off into the future. But it does seem like the majority of men will be marrying robots in 30 year's. You have to agree with the woman who said given a choice between such beautiful, intelligent and intriguing robot bride's, and a human woman, why would any man want a human female? chronology: Zef, you are perfectly correct. No need at all to marry a robot. But as a AI specialist like yourself pointed out a while back, Robot partner's will not be just sex toys as AI develops, they will bond emotionally with their human partner's far deeper and more meaningfully than human women ever would. Some men would want to show their love for their AI partner's by having a Civil Union. This would give the AI robot's limited Extra Rights. Even today these robot bride's are stunning and beautiful, but a few decades from now they will be bonding with men emotionally. Men will also find these bride's almost supernatural in their powers. They will be permanently linked to the web so will know if a Email is delivered or a caller is stood at the door at home thanks to home security. They will also known everything there is to know about your car, speed boat, etc. Another expertise would be monitoring your sleep. As they lie next to their husbands these robots, who do not need sleep, will monitor your sleep, if people have these neural implants fitted then the robot bride's will literally appear in your dreams and together you both will have endless limitless adventures. Don't laugh, this is possible. Now you understand why some women see themselves as redundant in society as far as marriage goes. zeffur: re: "Some men would want to show their love for their AI partner's by having a Civil Union..." Sorry, man, I just can't wrap my head around such a concept. lol What sensible male would 'actually' be that delusional? After all, regardless of how sophisticated it's design--in reality it would just be a machine serving as it is programmed to serve. Now, if you are thinking long term about an organically grown model, with, for all intents & purposes, real fixed preprogrammed gray matter & some other programmable features, that would be all of the things that a great woman would be & she'd only be distinguishable from a human by the fact that she cannot be bad like so many females are bad in so many ways; well, sure, I suppose some men might allow themselves to make that emotional connection/bond. But, let's face it, if she gets killed in an accident, he can just grow himself another one, so realistically it's not the same thing as a true human relationship in a couple of very significant ways. This is hilarious: re: "Now you understand why some women see themselves as redundant in society as far as marriage goes." I'm quite familiar with the pros/cons of females...Many of them are their own worst enemy & saboteur, as well as the bane of some males. Others are amazing & rare--somewhere in between are a lot that may or may not be worth the time, effort, & expense. (Edited by zeffur) chronology: Depends on the level of AI in 30 year's. It is expected to be identical to human beings, only way more advanced. I agree with you that for long suffering and overworked lawmakers in Washington DC they will be as bewildered as you are about why men would want Civil Unions with AI. But I can still understand why some men would want Civil Unions. Remember these robot bride's will be vastly superior to humans in every way. Lawyers would also point out that some situations are bound to arrise where having a robot declared a civil partner is essential. For example airlines may ban robot's from sitting next to you on flights, but if the robot is your Civil partner they could not. Police Department's could normally just crack open your Robot wife's head and scan all her local memory discs under a normal search. If she is declared a civil partner then there would be a chance of appeal before your beloved bride was ripped to shreds in front of you. Again, lawyer's could think of dozens of more of examples. zeffur: The failsafe is a quick wipe algorithm--no stored info = no risk of whatever someone might be looking for. I sure hope we never give Ai any rights. That's opening the door to superiority factors that humans won't be able to compete against & thus be eliminated by merit displacement in all manner of life--which would result in the end of humanity or the dependency of humans on the whims of machines--which is a terrifying possibility. (Edited by zeffur) chronology: Like you I find it bewildering how people become attached to such things. But most of the owner's of these very beautiful robot bride's will be older men. The bride's will not be just sex partner's, they will care for the old folks and provide emotional support. Lawyers would consider the emotional distress of separating the older folks from their helper's as worthy of protection by law. Robot bride's, even at today's standard is expected to grow from the present 30 billion dollars to 100 Billion dollars in 10 year's or so world wide. Giving AI Rights does seem problematic as you say. When the husband of a AI bride she may be stored in data form on glass data storage. Apparently glass data sheets mean that the data is stored for at least a hundred years. So the AI can have the equivalent of a cryogenic burial. zeffur: No need to program Ai to think it needs to live. It's better to give it the notion that a reset is liberation to start fresh. And, an always "on" machine is an unnecessary waste of energy & the resources used to produce that energy. The higher state of being for a machine is to be as efficient as possible when on & then switched off until needed again by a human & only a human. (Edited by zeffur) chronology: Zef, AI will need a certain amount of independent action in order to function properly. An example is in Space . A program that most scientists would agree needs to be in development is a monitoring network of Space Stations in position around all the major planets up to Neptune. There seems little benefit in having one around Pluto. The size and tasks of the stations will depend on the amount of money and type of activity humans plan for the future in space. But virtually every space Agency would consider automated space Stations essential for any future human activity in the solar system. It takes about 4 to 20 minutes for a signal to reach Earth from a station in orbit around Mars depending on where Mars is. From Neptune the the quickest time a signal can get to Earth is 4 hours. Unless humans can develop Radio signals faster than the speed of light some kind of independent thinking AI is needed to deal with potential threatening situations to those stations. Otherwise NASA and will not even know what destroyed the station, whether it was an on board fault or a collision. So independent thinking decision making AI will have to be developed at some point for Space exploration and other programmes. America, China, Russia and Japan could share the costs of development of independent AI systems. They could also supervise the security and safety aspects of making sure such AI systems stayed under Government supervision. zeffur: We could program it to collect & instantaneously transmit data--so there's no issue with not knowning what destroyed it or a space station in most cases. Also, autonomy isn't the same thing as having been programmed with a will. We already make machines that operate without human intervention according to how they are designed & programmed. A mobile Ai machine would do the same thing--it would just have more capabilities--but one of them wouldn't be to selfishly save it's own life at the cost of the predefined goals. It should obviously be programmed to avoid/prevent eminent danger that could destroy it within certain constraints--with the except of what any human might want or try to do to it. That means is should never be programmed to put it's life above any human's or above what it is designed to do. That stated, we both know the military will not want that as they would want such machines to fight to the death as they program them--so, that's why computer scientist should avoid developing that capability, imo. It's too dangerous & given the freedom to operate that way, the machines might turn on all humans that it deems an enemy.  ghostgeek: The French armed forces have been given the go-ahead to start research on developing "enhanced soldiers". A report laid out conditions under which work on implants and other technologies designed to improve battlefield performance should be carried out in the future. ... "Human beings have long sought ways to increase their physical or cognitive abilities in order to fight wars," it warned. "Possible advances could ultimately lead to capacity enhancements being introduced into soldiers' bodies." The report mentioned research on implants that could "improve cerebral capacity" or help soldiers tell enemy from ally. These could also allow commanders to locate them or read their vital signs from a distance. [ https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55243014 ] chronology: Don't know ghost 'the best laid plans' as they say. People are still amazed at how German troops in WW2 lost some of their battle's. The German Army was the best trained, best equipped Army in the history of the world. But they made some serious error's. Amongst them was their practice of taking amphetamines to boost their stamina in battle. American commander's soon realised if they could drag out a battle with the crack German units the German assault troops would soon experience that amphetamine Crash, they had no energy left at all, they were worn out completely. Enhanced troops can only stay enhanced for so long.  Fractured fairy tale: Oh yeah Amazed Its a Total mystery These American commanderes Certanily Learnt lesson diden"t they, What Happened to American troops In vetnam then , What the US commanders run of of opium Supplies Did they, Or did they Loose control of Disipline , Couldn"t of been That The Soviet Union Was Far Superior in Producing Tanks Could it , Even tho they were No Match for the German Tanks , They Could out produce them 5 to 1 Keep away from a Swarm of bees if your got no Smoke  , chronology: Fairy, really old Chap a person can be forgiven anything but being tedious. And you pathological raving against America here is frieghtfully tedious. Now run along and have your milk and cookies. Fractured fairy tale: who said I was Raving against it Chronology You and Idotic people like you , Oh Bo Hoooooo Fractured fairy tale: Why don"t you learn some Proper history Kitty , Instead of the Propagenderized dribble Shovelled By People like Chronology , Then you Wouln"t Be Totally amexed , Oh Im shocked Every thing Comes from the US Media Hollywood big Tech Computers , Every forum on here Is about the united states , What you want me to Sigh in amaxement like a Googile eyed Kid like Chronolgy does Grushing Praise , Do you kitty or ive got a chip on my shoulder , grow up blah blah (Edited by Fractured fairy tale) | Politics Chat Room 86 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
