Will the UK & EU strike a deal before March 2019 or will the UK crash out of the European Union. (Page 2) hornchurchmale: actually not true .media . commerce and others. pushing that idea but irrelevant. we either follow democracy and leave ..or no point. having any voting in future . might as well live under dictatorship ..oh we do at moment its called EU.  Goerree: The EU is democratic if somewhat bureaucratic... the UK will fall to pieces on departure and the redtape Brexiteers moan about remains and as for more democracy that is pure delusion Goerree: I participate in the European Parliament elections ... i don't recall ever electing May as leader!! hornchurchmale: we can easily see the young idealistic expectations of remoaners .. all are left wing or liberal idealists whom think a super United States of Europe is both a good thing and benevolent. bit like those whom were anti nuclear bomb way back and protested vigorously . a decade or so later many of those very people took jobs that reflected views they actually opposed when young and idealistic ( naive) . we will see in another two decades or so they very same people desperate to remain under yoke of EU control being slowly re-educated as magic of time and experience open their eyes. lets hope they do not learn hard way. (Edited by hornchurchmale)  willy1522: May is uk not Eu and yes agree or not she was elected by the people of the uk. She has no power in the Eu parliament. The Eu president was not elrcted by the people of Europe. hornchurchmale: despite vote to leave..EU and. UK are now ready to make a last minute 'deal' ( not in UK's best interests but politicians and business plus far left idealists -who think we ought to give up our. independence- are all pushing to. Ok) so effectively we will be staying in EU under a sort of pay to. stay in single market but no. say in how it runs or laws it makes . essentially we will become a vessel state of EU . meanwhile they will tell you its simply a delayed 'leaving ' and will carry on negotiations for next 10 years or so. ( if you think that true ..you must think pigs can fly)  The giant midget: If YOU or ANYONE believes that DEMOCRACY DID ,HAS or WILL EXIST You must believe that pig can fly hornchurchmale: democracy was born in Ancient Greek circles .first adopted there when parliament got over its 'rotten boroughs ' policy and we has so called secret ( not) voting. everybody has differing ideas as to exactly what democracy is or ought to be. however if you do a wee bit of research you can see ( pigs. flying?) other countries have also adopted a form of democracy. not ideal maybe but every. voter does has a vote that. IS counted and majority ( at moment but about to be overturned by look of. things) has sway and rules. unions etc also vote and again majority rules ( mostly) your idea of exactly what democracy is? would seem at odd's with reality if we need flying pigs! The giant midget: majority wins 2010 winter Olympics 92% of British Columbia residents voted in a referendum NOT to host the games.their votes were ignored 1972,75,79,80,81,82,83,87,89, and from late 90's to as of 2016 Residents of Quebec have vote over 80% to separate from Canada it still remains the same. 77% past 25 years of Canadians have been voting in favor of removal of free goverment healthcare and let the private sector administer and control it nothing has changed overwhelmingly of Canadians have been voting to increase our laws to increase the speed limit on federal government roads from 100km to 110km ( everyone does over 120km ) it's still the same I can go on and on yeah when pigs fly hornchurchmale: I am suer you c an go on and on though point being does anybody actually care! price of bacon is soaring. hornchurchmale: all about the elite having control but making rest of us think voting and doing things is being done by us and working. so many countries vie for olympics for example but costs of staging in nearly all cases far outweighs and benefits. the politicians simply want it for self and publicity etc. sort of 'look how fantastic we are'. man in street ha sth pay for it. London for example still has a monthly. fee for olympics. bill and will go on for another 18 years! by which time Londoners will have forgotten about it and will no doubt have to carry on paying back the fans to private investors forever. visiting Australia the have buildings etc for games 'given' to. aborigines etc as useless for anybody else and much has fallen in disrepair etc as simply not needed or wanted. they too still paying for politicians vanity. hornchurchmale: current news is EU and UK have brokered a deal.waiting to see if ministers and parliament agree it. then if Uk will officially have given in on virtually everything. even agreed it seems to have a joint EU/UK committee to allow ? refuse UK leaving or changing anything in future.thus UK can be prevented from leaving . You can't make this stuff up.  Vanellion: well sorry i say it but i think it is better they leave the EU, UK is the UK a own continent and a continent that is part of a other is weird but the EU is slowly going under and i fear if the UK say i be part one of the strongest countries except the America and Russia is going down hornchurchmale: agree Uk ought to leave.after all that was a democratic decision. sadly everybody wetting self over it as amegeddon about arrive etc. so looks as though EU suggestion we simply cancel leaving or extend by 2 years wil go ahead. Particularly as many MP's on all sides are against leaving and would be happy to set aside democracy on this occasion ( and any others they don't like) citing constituents wanting to remain in EU fold ( and dictatorship) conveniently forgetting that parliament and theme selves are supposed to represent democracy FIRST then constituents. wishes not other way round. Uk is weak at moment but has survived before and for 30 odd years. while De Gual always blackballed UK as had a chip on shoulder against us. Vanellion: Look Greece they had a Financial crisis the other countries gave money, now they are facing self towards one so it is best you say fuck off no EU have our own money so if a country goes down their bad because they can't do anything with the money you have. The EU work their self in trouble giving other countries which look to go down money without knowing they get in problems because it isn't you can say oh we give and print some new money no it is, a meeting with the head premier of each EU country they talk and decide ok money can be printed what you do with is your problem do you burn it wipe your ass with it they don't care each country got his amount and if they spent in the other countries or do whatever they want it isn't the problem of the others but what do they they give their money and so they get a crisis. Best is you say i leave that if they get a crisis let it be they asked for so see you get out of it but don't go here a few millions and now you guys are spared from going down, because they get millions but you loose and where do we take that from like i said it isn't oh print some extra no if they could the people where all millionaires it doesn't work like that so much is here where it stay ???? but gone it is that way why idk but i don't decide of the choice of the leaders and tbh i think even the US need to stop to put its nose in the business of others like the war in Iran why is our Army there helping i would say fuck it let they shoot each other how more how better they asked for. Like the IS they shoot everyone in Syria it isn't we need to say awww poor guys come we need to help them shoot those who they against too, fight your own problems i find and don't evolve others in it they can get troubles of it too so when you see a chance too say get lost do it and don't think twice it sound hard and heartless but know we work hard each day to make money and then a country in crisis ask money we give but we work still so hard get the same loan and all gets expensive because the lost money needs to come back in the people living in those countries doesn't need to be punished for the stupid decisions our heads of the country make so we see if we get separated oh it is our own fault not that of others our bad boo hoo we need to find a solve briansmythe: Yeah Europe has had a long History , of disputes between neighboring countries , One thing underpins it all and holds it together in the end , and that"s Christanity  kittybobo34: With out the threat of the Soviet Union, the EU nations are turning on each other as they have done thru out history. Once the UK gets free of the EU, they should consider joining NAFTA Vanellion: EU is fucked up, that country doesn't agree with that one that with a other and so it keeps going but also the EU is a nation so if 1 country says i want to take up the price of gasoline all need to agree. UK and US are free of that we have states and those decide by themselves kittybobo34: The EU never reached nation status. They are a confederation of countries. Where as the USA , the federal and state governments roles are clearly defined now days. Before the civil war that wasn't so clearly defined. The giant midget: Reason it never worked nor it will ever work is that basically out of 28 delinquent sons and daughters , all being supported and cared for a single mother very hard working woman , I believe her name is Germany Those kids are living the ultimate social dream Germans are fed up with all the handouts that they must provide , all the welfare euro nations are enjoying the benefits off the hardworking German stiffs Vanellion: Belgium is a country that is like the whole US, different factions and the one doesn't agree with the other about the immigration, that the citizens pays too much, some say the youth is too lazy while others say they work too hard. It is the only i know who had for so many times a new government, then they shut it, some blah blah blah and reformed it. 1 thing is everywhere in common why are they so for the immigration i would say keep them out, everything becomes more expensive because we get more people they have to get paid that money comes from us, the retirement time would raise we need to work longer. One day the bomb shall explode between the citizens who have enough of it a civil war would break out and those who are against shall fight against those who once agreed, other countries shall join and maybe a WW3 is awaiting, the reason that war would break lose is the citizens who are so dumb they kiss the illegal immigrants their asses. They flee their countries are in a get-away but why if they never did something no war broke lose in their country and they don't need to flee, we bring them in and what reward do we get, attacks, rape, violence, child abuse, robberies, scams. Not so long ago in NJ 2 girls one of 14 and one of 16 were raped and physical abused by a Syrian refugee, no documents, no official residence permit, no work so what could the cops do not much because they even didn't know who they arrested. Know those 2 girls were raped, abused physical but can't have any justice because their raper, who is he they only found some Syrian papers but not enough to tell who he is, what he is doing in the US and if he has a residence. Know more of those crimes happen because if they arrest them what can they do if they don't know anything about the person who was arrested, In a school in NY a Immigrant rapes 6 female students of minor age he said to be 17 from Syria. He went under a false name to the school age wasn't 17 neither because they found out his real age was 26, but again a rape on 6 American girl from someone of Syria. Sooner or later our patience is running out. Then something will break loose like a racial war all white shall attack those of a other origine, they need to see that won't get so far. Keep all that what cause trouble here away, ok Americans do bad too but they are born in the US you can identify and punish someone who you don't know of who it is you can't punish. How many rapes, robberies or whatever crime need to happen from those immigrants would make us see we are doing wrong too let them come in our countries. Let them be shot, let them suffer i don't even give a fuck about because i live in NY and i'm still not forgotten what reward we got on September 9 2001 when Al Quada attacked the Twin Towers. Each American was in mourning, our hearts were broken, 1000's died and gave their live to safe that of others didn't we learn it from that day Islam people are pure trouble.I see we didn't it is 18 years further and still we are so dumb to take that filth into the US and sorry if i sound racist but if you saw so much pain, so much suffer live in front of your eyes i bet you also would be. They created hate, they create racists and one day this will escalate in a very bad way. Now is the time to say stay out your folk isn't welcome, even they have problems ok, shame they have but they caused pain enough, look France took in Syrians what do they do a terrorist attack in a concert hall when there was a concert 100's of people died. Germany a Syrian guy rode a truck in a crowd of people at a Christmas market, some didn't made it others got heavy injured. Belgium a terrorist attack in Brussels when the cops found and wanted too arrest they shot on them, if not wrong a attack in the UK and still we take them in and in. Keep it out because know if something bad happen who is too blame that terrorist our the citizens who agreed to take them in. People deserve a good live so do we and think twice before you take someone in from a war zone because who is he or she, what did he or she do in the country they flee and what are their further plans. They say look Italians in the US, Chinese people but know those people once worked their ass off in the US too help and deserved it to be here. That Syrian trash don't they caused a civil war can't handle it and run from it causing other countries trouble. Maybe in the US are Syrian leader who we took in but we don't know because in our eyes it is a refugee, on the run for war. They infiltrate find a safe spot and booooooom they strike. So i'm grateful too Trump he made a wall too keep that kind of trouble out the US, only some people are so brain dead they don't see they show sympathy for those terrorists who once caused so much misery and pain
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