Trump Put ur hands out from Venezuela!

jayrado
jayrado: Nicolas Maduro is a constitutional president in Venezuela, so dont try to be ´´so kind´´ to give some ´´Humanity help´´...they don´t need ur help, they are Ok...if u wanna really help just turn off ur economyc block against them... this is too bad, dont use the media, internet, and television to convence the people that what u are doing is right... Dont lie any more!...NOT MORE LIES, NOT MORE WAR, LEAVE VENEZUELA AND OTHER FREEDOM CONTIES IN PEACE!!! USA DONT NEED MORE STARS IN IT¨S FLAG!
5 years ago Report
3
calybonos
calybonos: If the Venezuelan people don't need or want the U.S. help then their solution is simple....

Ignore the U.S. sanctions and continue sending their oil to Russia and China for no money to pay off their debt to them.


Mo Money Mo Problems

No money, no problems?
5 years ago Report
3
jayrado
jayrado: The problem are not the sanctions... the problem is that U.S have more than 3000million of dollars blocked in their banks this money belongs to Venezuela constitutional Gobernament, ...by the way...WHY A COUNTRY PUT SANCTIONS TO OTHER COUNTRY IF THIS COUNTRY DIDN¨T DO SOMETHING WRONG?...Are U.S the owner of the world? I dont think so... TRUMP IS NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE WORLD! NEATHER THE PRESIDENT OF CENTER AND SOUTH AMERICA!!...Sorry...but the true is that U.S Gobernament dont want the best to Center and South america...U.S just want the money and oil...not more...
5 years ago Report
2
El Malvado
El Malvado:
Jayrado 👍

Maybe the "US people" should ignore Venezuela from the start. It only appears that the need/want is on the side of the US. This isn't the first time. It has been happening for years.

Don't want to trade with Venezuela, fair enough that's your country's choice, take your toys and waddle back home and give the Venezuelan people back their money and the rest of the world will decide who they wish to trade with.

The US foreign policies can be summed up as a script off of one of those high school mean girls chick flick haha. Total Madness. But ey, nothing lasts forever.

5 years ago Report
1
The giant midget
The giant midget: It's nobody's business how a sovereign nation governance it's economy , its citizens or how it conducts its domestic policies
5 years ago Report
0
chronology
chronology: Jay, you seem to hold the U.S. to standards that you require from no other countries. When you consider Cuba's intervention in Angola you can only conclude that Latin American countries have their own record of military intervention. First you can understand that Cuba was reacting to the situation of a South African backed military force apposing the Angolan Military. Also many Cubans are of Afro Caribbean heritage and were passionate about lending help to people they saw as being openly racist. But two wrongs do not make a right, to suggest as you do the U.S. is the only country you can find fault with is unreasonable. Among the first actions of Cuba when it secured it's presence in Angola was to set up training camps for 'Liberation Armies' . Again you can argue the Cubans were fighting racism, but again, two wrongs do not make a right. If you insist on dragging America into the 'Dock of Public Opinion' then you must have Cuba there as well.
5 years ago Report
0
The giant midget
The giant midget: ummm let's see
when Cuba helped out in Angola with the backing of the Soviet union it was to liberate the angolians to free themselves from the Portuguese colonial empire
Cuban military was forced into Africa by the Russian government due to financial crisis with the embargo placed by the Americans

chrono you forgot to mention about Guinea also

racism ??
where you going with that??
(Edited by The giant midget)
5 years ago Report
0
chronology
chronology: migit. Yep. they put guns to the heads of 10.000 Cubans and 'forced' them to climb on planes for Angola.

As usual, endless excuses for any country but the U.S.A.
5 years ago Report
0
El Malvado
El Malvado:
haha The only example you can pull is Cuba intervention in Angola? You had to go back to in time.

Well, let us all hop on the Chrono-Time Machine and go way back shall we. Let us see how Cuba's intervention in Angola was remarkably different from US intervention anywhere (including what was/is done in Venezuela).

Cuba's intervention in Angola was not for neo-Imperialism. They didn't pressure civilians. Do you even know what was the outcome of Cuba's intervention? Do you even know that the US was supporting the pro-apartheid sides? Two wrongs? Since when is fighting racism, fighting apartheid a wrong?

Cubans should be proud of their assistance to Angola which played a vital role in ending apartheid. Show me one incident that US intervention has turned to fully benefiting on this scale.

Man, get out of here. You think that people are ignorant of what took place so you try to twist history to adhere to your rhetoric. Not happening.

5 years ago Report
1
El Malvado
El Malvado:
Here is an excerpt from Mandela's speech for you:

"We have come here today recognizing our great debt to the Cuban people. What other country has such a history of selfless behavior as Cuba has shown for the people of Africa? How many countries benefit from Cuban health care professionals and educators? How many of these volunteers are now in Africa? What country has ever needed help from Cuba and has not received it? How many countries threatened by imperialism or fighting for their freedom have been able to count on the support of Cuba?

I was still in prison when I first heard of the massive help which the Cuban international forces were giving to the people of Angola. The help was of such a scale that it was difficult for us to believe it, when the Angolans were under attack by the combined forces of South Africa, the FALA [Armed Forces for the Liberation of Angola] who were financed by the CIA, mercenaries, UNITA [National Union for the Total Independence of Angola], and Zaire in 1975.

In Africa we are used to being victims of countries that want to take from us our territory or overthrow our sovereignty. In African history there is not another instance where another people has stood up for one of ours. We also acknowledge that the action was carried out by the masses in Cuba and that those who fought and died in Angola are only a small portion of those who volunteered to go. To the Cuban people internationalism is not only a word but something which they have put into practice for the benefit of large sectors of mankind. We know that the Cuban forces were ready to retreat after driving back the invasion in 1975 but the continued aggressions of Pretoria did not allow them to do so. Your presence there and the reinforcements sent for the battle of Cuito Cuanavale has a historical meaning. The decisive defeat of the racist army in Cuito Cuanavale was a victory for all Africa. This victory in Cuito Cuanavale is what made it possible for Angola to enjoy peace and establish its own sovereignty. The defeat of the racist army made it possible for the people of Namibia to achieve their independence.

The decisive defeat of the aggressive apartheid forces destroyed the myth of the invincibility of the white oppressor. The defeat of the apartheid army served as an inspiration to the struggling people of South Africa. Without the defeat of Cuito Cuanavale our organizations would not have been legalized. The defeat of the racist army in Cuito Cuanavale made it possible for me to be here with you today. Cuito Cuanavale marks the divide in the struggle for the liberation of southern Africa. Cuito Cuanavale marksd an important step in the struggle to free the continent and our country of the scourge of apartheid.

Apartheid is not something that started yesterday. The origins of the racist white domination go back three and a half centuries from the moment that the first white colonizers began the process of division and eventual defeat of the Khoi-Khoi, the San, and other African peoples, the original inhabitants of our country. This process of conquest, from its beginning, engendered a series of resistance wars which are the origin of our national liberation struggle. Fighting under great disadvantages, the African peoples tried to defend their lands, but the material base and the firepower of the colonial aggressors led the divided kingdoms and tribal chiefs to defeat. This tradition of resistance is still alive and serves as an inspiration to our current struggle…

The formation of the ANC was the first step in the creation of a new South African nation. With time, this concept developed until it found, 36 years ago, clear expression in the Freedom Charter where its says that South Africa belongs to all who live there, blacks as well as whites. This constituted both an unequivocable rejection to the racist state and the affirmation of the only alternative that is acceptable: that racism and its structures be, finally, abolished.

It is well known that the response of the state to our legitimate democratic demands was, among others, to accuse our directors of treason and subject our people during the 1970’s to indiscriminate massacres. These facts, and the banning of our organization, left us no other road than the one followed by any self-respecting people, including Cuba, that is, to rise up in an armed struggle to retake our country from the hands of the racists.

I should mention that when we wanted to take up arms, we approached numerous Western governments in search of help and we could only talk with the lowest level officials. When we visited Cuba we were received by the highest authorities who immediately offered anything we wanted and needed.

That was our first experience with Cuban internationalism. Even though we took up arms, it was not our preferred option. It was the apartheid regime that forced us to take up arms. Our preferred option has always been to find a peaceful solution to the apartheid conflict. The combined struggle of our people in the country, as well as the growing international battle against apartheid during the 1980’s made possible a negotiated solution to that conflict. The decisive defeat in Cuito Cuanavale changed the status of forces in the region and reduced considerably the capacity of the Pretoria regime to destabilize its neighbors … within the country

It is in this context that we value our friendship with Cuba very, very much. When you, Comrade Fidel, yesterday said that our cause is your cause, I know that that sentiment came from the bottom of your heart and that that is the feeling of all of the people of revolutionary Cuba. "

5 years ago Report
1
The giant midget
The giant midget: seriously Chrono????
5 years ago Report
0
chronology
chronology: Well El, you sure have strong views. But Mr Botha of South Africa would disagree with you about the U.S.A. he said in a speech 'The United States of America has declared Economic war on South Africa' . But hey, how could he know more than you? he was just the President of South Africa.

'Neo Imperialism' so Cuba setting up Training Camps for Liberation Armies in Angola was not 'Imperialism' ? by any definition of the word it is pure imperialism, but only when done by the U.S.A. you say.
5 years ago Report
0
The giant midget
The giant midget: I am done with this
if we were all to agree with you we would all be wrong
5 years ago Report
0
El Malvado
El Malvado:
You mean the same South Africa which invaded the independent country of Angola at the time?

The same South Africa that was pressing for apartheid which was being fought against.

Do you know what neo Imperialism means, Chrono? You don't seem to even know much about the situation.

Many Cubans were Angolan decent. They didn't start anything. Angola got their independence and was assisting other Southern African countries to be liberated themselves. Cuba only got involved after the racist apartheid pressing South African invaded Angola. They were sent to support Angola in defending itself.

They did not attempt to change a regime. They did not do so to impose their policies. They did not do so for economic gains. They did not do so to pressure the people. They did not try to controlling Angola militarily.

Go read up what took place then come back to me.
5 years ago Report
0
El Malvado
El Malvado:
And by the way, the topic is on Venezuela, hence why Trump got called out. This "oh we're always being picked on" rhetoric is senseless okay.

Maybe if you courageously held your own government responsible for the acts done through their foreign policies instead of making stupid excuses, we'll all be better off. It should not be that people of other countries have to point these things out for you.

But you don't. Everyone else is to be docile and passive.
(Edited by El Malvado)
5 years ago Report
1
chronology
chronology: I previously referred to the African Heritage of many Cubans being a factor in Cuba's intervention in Angola. You say 'Cuba' only got involved after South African intervention in Angola. But virtually everyone with any knowledge of Mr Castro say it was his commitment to the 'Socialist International' ideal he lived by. Even the Soviets were reticent to get involved in Angola directly, but Mr Castro pushed ahead sending weapons troops and advisers to the country.

Look you can argue all you want about the ethics of fighting racism and if Fidel was a hero or not. But you loose all credibility when you say Mr George W Bush was wrong to liberate Iraq from the trap it had fallen into of sanctions and internal dictatorship. And then insist Fidel was a hero for plunging ahead with his manifest to liberate Southern Africa.

You could insist Iraq should have been left to rot and Mr Bush made the situation worse, but to do that you would have to also observe the violence and hardships in Angola after Cuba took part in events there.

But am sure you are ready with your vitriol against Mr Bush, and your never ending praise of Fidel. Even tho basically Washington and Havana were performing the same political and military actions.
5 years ago Report
0
El Malvado
El Malvado:
I'll address each of your statements, Chronology.

/////In response to your first paragraph you stated: "You say 'Cuba' only got involved after South African intervention in Angola..."

I'll reiterate once again, "Cuba only got involved after the racist apartheid pressing South Africa invaded Angola." The Timeline of events supports my statement: It was August 1975 that South Africa invaded Angola. It was after this in November 1975 that Cuba intervened by sending troops.


/////In response to your first paragraph you stated: "But virtually everyone with any knowledge of Mr Castro say it was his commitment to the 'Socialist International' ideal..."

I didn't know you knew Mr. Castro personally and that you know virtually everyone as well. However, on that statement, let us look at what went down. For starters. Mr. Castro did not install a socialist ideals on Angola. Cuba did not enforce any socialist ideals on Angola or its people.

Once again look at the timeline of Angola's history.

Angola's history has been bombarded with the exploitation of their people by Portugal. Many Angolans also fought against this on their own. It was the Angolans who resisted and put up a resistance for their independence. It was the socialist guerrillas of Angola (starting from way back in the 1950s) who pressed for that and who became the leading group in Angola. Where was Mr. Castro in the 1950s? Glad you asked, he was busy in the Sierra Maestra mountains waging his own guerrilla war against your beloved Bastista. (Remember him?)

I'll reiterate again: Cuba did not instill or establish socialism or socialist ideals in Angola. Cuba only supported what was already present. The Angolans wanted socialism and they had that in place.


/////In response to your first paragraph you stated: "Even the Soviets were reticent to get involved in Angola directly..."

I suggest you read the involvement of the Soviets. And while you're at it also the involvement of the US at this point of the timeline. Cuban troops would not have been sent if there was not a threat to Angola.


////In response to your second paragraph you stated: "Look you can argue all you want about the ethics of fighting racism and if Fidel was a hero or not..."

I'm not arguing ethics. The reality is that Angola needed that assistance and that the simple act that Cuba did added to the fight against apartheid beyond Angola. Angola was invaded and got support. This was not any political leverage move.


/////In response to your little rant about Bush and Iraq.

I see your double whammy of strawman fallacy and a move the goalpost fallacy but I'll bite and I'll address that too. This has nothing to do with Bush and Iraq and Bush didn't liberate anyone in Iraq. You fail to remember how friendly he was with that same 'internal dictatorship'. Why do you want me to call Bush a hero so badly? HAHa Tell me when the heroism of the US government started: While they supported Saddam as a dictator or when it was decided that the puppet needed a change?


Tldr summary: Washington and Havana were not performing the same political or military actions. The end results speaks for itself. The fight in Angola was always about the people. No sanctions were placed on them to make them riot. There was no neo-imperialism done by Cuba. Cuba didn't enforce a form of government. Cuba didn't install one either.

Here is some reading material for you:
[1] https://www.sahistory.org.za/dated-event/castro-decides-send-troops-angola-fight-south-africa

[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13037271

[3] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-38130554
(Edited by El Malvado)
5 years ago Report
1
chronology
chronology: 'I never knew you knew Mr Castro personally' well I will take that as another example of your cheap sarcasm, either that or wonder what you are trying to say, so 'cheap sarcasm it is' .

There is no reasoning with you you just set forth you opinionated subjective opinion of history and expect everyone else to agree with you. If they don't then you sit back and sneer at them.
5 years ago Report
0
El Malvado
El Malvado:
I give sarcasm free of charge. Catch me, I'm on every Tuesday night. It was sure better and more polite than your 'lose credibility' dig at me.

I also posted evidence to back each of my statement and addressed each of your points rationally. If you feel 'sneered' at, then what can I say..

I've no expectations of an agreement. I enjoy a good debate on matters and an exchange but you've not brought me anything.

I guess this is now your last gripping of the straws. *tips hat*
(Edited by El Malvado)
5 years ago Report
1
jayrado
jayrado: Mr. Chronology...U know nothing about Cuba, its people and Fidel Castro...So I´m Cuban...I can tell u that the USSR never forced to us to go to Angola, a lot of Cubans lost them lives fighting against apartheid, do u know what is that? the word is INTERNATIONALISM... not Neo-imperialism as US try to do with the countries around the world ... US just do wars and not peace...Cuba does the peace..Cuba wants the peace... Cuba dont want ´´Communism´´ for all the countries and Cuba don try to put it hands in the business of foreign countries as US do...By the way...Cuba don´t have weapons for war, Cuba just have deffence weapons...so... dont try to speak about of Cuba without knowing...
FIDEL CASTRO...he was a very very nice man..U DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM...U dont know how were the Cuba situation before 59´s in Cuba before the revolution the 70% of the people were starving, also they were illiterate and the 30% were rich is it good?..NOT IT ISNT... u just see the part of the history that u listen and read...u know anything about Cuba or another country u just know what u listen of ur President ...Study More and dont talk what u dont know... U live ´´rich´´ couse ur government kill people of middle east to catch them Oil and take to u for ur car...OPEN UR EYES!!... UR COUNTRY IS RICH FOR THE WAR AND FOR SELL WEAPONS...IT IS NOT RICH FOR TO BE ´´THE BEST COUNTRY EVER´´...May be u think that US is the only country in this world...it is not.. there are many countries starving and dying for diseases and who is saving it lives? US DOCTORS?..not!!! they are CUBAN DOCTORS...do u know what is it?? do u know ??? INTERNATIONALISM!!!!!!!!....Clean ur mouth and study ur history and politic of ur country before to speak bad about Cuba and its people...and less about FIDEL CASTRO!!
5 years ago Report
3
gonzo77735
gonzo77735: VENEZUELANS GET BACK TO YOUR COUNTRY... get Marudo to take care of you if he is such a good president all those 3 million venezuelans should be in their country enjoying the greatness of socialism... and dont tell me its because the US, they have been migrating for years... and dont tell me its a lie... we see venezuelans begging for money in the streets or selling their bodies in the night
4 years ago Report
0
The flying Squirrel
The flying Squirrel: How Do you Know there Venosuelans, Begging in the Streets and what ever , Do you ask for ID
Why does the US freeze there money in the US Banks , Is it Because of Socialism
How come the US did the Same to Iran Froze all there Money In the US banks , Are they Socialists too
You Know when I look at all the Homeless people in America and all the People who Have Just Given UP , People using Drugs whatever , I swear there Americans , Dis socialism cause that too , America isnt a socialist Country , Spent the Last 60 odd years fighting the Scouge of Communism / socialism , So how could that be
4 years ago Report
0
chronology
chronology: Squirrel, you have got to be joking Old Chap. The U.S. Authorities froze Iranian assets because Iran had kidnapped nearly a hundred Americans at the American Embassy.

The U.S. spent nearly a year trying to reason with Iran and secure the safety of the Embassy staff. Iran claimed that the Embassy staff were shown every courtesy and respect. But that doesn't change the fact they were criminally detained against their will.
4 years ago Report
0
The flying Squirrel
The flying Squirrel: Oh Bull That Happened years ago , and Had No Bearing on why They Froze there Money If you want the real reason There money was Frozen , It was Because They were Talking about Selling there Oil In Euroes , Not American "s You Know Like Saddam like Gaddafie , Was Venoswailer , Maduro going Down the Same Path , I donno
4 years ago Report
0
The flying Squirrel
The flying Squirrel: You Know No one Is Forcing the USA to act like Some Out of control Mafia Sydicate , There doing that all by them selves , And Using NATO as there Enforcement Tool along the Way , So what ever
4 years ago Report
0
chronology
chronology: There is just no reasoning with you Old Chap. When the U.S. left Iran in 1980 all hell broke loose in the region as nations attacked each other. Iraq invade Iran and over a million people were killed. Had the U.S. stayed in Iran there would have been no war or suffering for millions of people.

Same in Vietnam. When the U.S. left over a million people were murdered in Cambodia. Had the U.S. stayed they could have 'nocked em sausage' with B52 strikes and saved a million lives.
4 years ago Report
0
Page: 12