Do You Denounce Hitler?

smokemeblind
smokemeblind: I denounce hitler.
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G R E A s E
G R E A s E: yea fk hitler
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Echolegacy
Echolegacy: Are you fucking serious??? Who the fuck DOESN'T denounce Hitler unless they are Nazis themselves? Is this chat room for Nazis? If so, then they can just go FUCK THEMSELVES, as far as I am concerned. Holy shit!!
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theHating
theHating: yeah, dude, apparently some people want to side step their idiosyncrasies about postmodernism so the dont have to denounce hitler and then vice versa.. circular logic from a pseudo-intellectual bilionaire-funded propaganda apparatus
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Echolegacy
Echolegacy: This demonstrates to me how debased and degraded our political discourse has become...now Nazism, perhaps the most vile and venomous "political" ideology of the twentieth century, has found an apologist and an advocate in the person of Donald Trump. I don't care how many crypto-fascist right-wingers try to argue the point, Donald Trump supports and endorses Nazism. This is not to say that HE is a Nazi, but as the President of the United States he ought to come out against them and that for which they stand. As the President, he cannot afford the luxury of indifference; over three hundred and twenty million American deserve better, even if they do not realize their responsibilities to demand that their leaders denounce Nazism. And you can thank people like Mitch McConnell and the Republicans who have abandoned their responsibilities to the American people for this disgusting state of affairs. If things continue this way, then you can say good-bye to the republic; the haters, the bigots, the greedy and corrupt have done their best to ruin this country and for that, they may never be forgiven.


God damn every last one of them; I am an atheist and even I wish I could invoke God's justice to redress the great wrongs that they have done but that is not an option for me. Their day of reckoning will come although if and when it does, we may never profit by it.



If this putrid excuse for a human being---Donald Trump, that is---is re-elected, then the republic, as we know it, is dead and buried. There is no other conclusion which I can reach.




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chronology
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Echolegacy
Echolegacy:

I did NOT say that Trump was a Nazi---if you go back and read my post, it very clearly asserts that while Trump himself is NOT a Nazi, he DOES, in fact, endorse them in a roundabout way, and he refuses to condemn them much less admit that he himself is implicated in the emergence of the right wing fascist movement in this country and he has, in fact, given foreign powers the impression that he is soft on condemning them, which is not what you would expect a "normal" president to do. Do you REALLY mean to tell me that he DOES recognize the threat of fascism here and around the world? I have my doubts. Have you forgotten what happened at Charlottesville already?


I also wonder about your argument which gives me the impression that you seem to think that the NSDAP was a force for prosperity in pre-war Germany; you also seem to be endorsing their economic policies which came about as a prelude to aggressive war and also because Germany's economic "boom" was the result of creating a war time economy, which facilitated the conquest of Western Europe.


By the way, you DO know that Germany not only embarked upon a policy of racial genocide, but it was preceded by the confiscation and theft of Jewish property from which the Jews were driven, and this property in fact, was given to German families who seemed indifferent about the source of this new found "prosperity." All the acts taken by the Nazis were done with ONE GOAL in mind: the creation of a government whose goal was conquest, genocide and war. How come this very significant fact escaped your rather one-sided analysis?


Yes, Adolf Hitler did kick start the German economy, but in retrospect, do you REALLY think that, given the rise of fascism and the subsequent world war, the prosperity was worth it? If so, then you have a very curious notion of what constitutes "the common good," and I think you ought to go back and take a closer look at what the German government did and WHY they did it. I DO reject the fact that a right-wing, fascist plutocrat who is also a self confessed sexual abuser and a thief could ever be a force for democracy in ANY country.




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chronology
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theHating
theHating: smoke
me
blonde
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The flying Squirrel
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The flying Squirrel
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The flying Squirrel
The flying Squirrel: That"s all back to front
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Echolegacy
Echolegacy:

I am not quite certain what your purpose here is, Chronology, but if you are not trying to minimize the fact that Germany had instituted a policy of racial genocide around 1933, after the Nuremburg Laws were implemented, then what ARE you trying to say?


You assert that it is NOT your purpose to minimize the suffering of the Jews during the Holocaust, but to compare it to the eugenics program of the US and Britain misses some important points: the policy of racial GENOCIDE in Nazi Germany was vastly different from what happened in Britain and the United States for many reasons. I am not going to state them here because you appear to be using sophistry to make the weaker argument appear to be the stronger one and as a former educator, I am no stranger to sophistry and have always seen it as a smokescreen to disguise arguments, such as they are, that have no foundation in logic at all.


I would like you to tell me, truthfully, what your agenda here really is. You don't appear to be bigot or an anti-Semite but your willful obtuseness is puzzling to me. You seem to be focused on comparing the suffering of oppressed groups; that, to me, is not only irrelevant, it is offensive only because it places suffering and oppression on a sliding scale of value, which is always the wrong thing to do. Not only that, eugenics might have been racial in origin in some cases, but its a far cry from the astonishing cruelty which was the basis of Nazi anti-Semitism, just to be accurate. There were a number of reasons why eugenics was implemented in the countries you mentioned but not all of them were racial in origin, and that is a fact as well but it was accompanied by murder, torture, starvation, slave labor and more. So in the end, the use of sterilization WAS a part of Germany's GENOCIDE of the Jews and I would also like to know WHY the word "genocide" bothers you so much?



That, to me, is perhaps the most puzzling thing about your post. The Jews were not just ""persecuted" by the Nazis; they butchered nearly six million of them. In my own family, thirty-three aunts, uncles and cousins of mine were MURDERED in the concentration camps.If the word "genocide" does NOT accurately describe what the Nazis did to the Jews, then what the hell DOES?




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chronology
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theHating
theHating: chrono, what do you think of the drapes?
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chronology
chronology: New York City drapes? A Guy I know is flying out to the Big Apple in a few weeks. He is flying first to visit the Holocaust Museum in Aushwitch. Then flying to the Big Apple before flying home.

Hey hating, what is the deal with Taxis in New York City? He says he is staying in Times Square because Taxis are cheaper there or something.
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theHating
theHating: idk, ive never been to nyc, i just use proxy networks there
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chronology
chronology: Good idea.
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theHating
theHating: because the government knows everything
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Echolegacy
Echolegacy: I was hoping for a reply from you, Chronology, on my last post....granted, it is a complex issue but all the more reason to look more deeply into it.


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chronology
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Echolegacy
Echolegacy:


I do not think that financial restitution for Nazi atrocities is anything more than a cynical attempt to buy off the Jews with money, which, I suppose, will satisfy the anti-Semites who think that Jews see everything in terms of hard cash, but guess what? There are some things that can NEVER be made palatable merely because somebody forked over large amounts of cash as "compensation." They cynically think that MURDER, TORTURE and GENOCIDE somehow become tolerable because money was offered to the victims for the oppression and cruelty they endured. But they could not be more mistaken. If somebody had offered ME money for suffering like that, I'd spit in their eye with no hesitation and no apologies.



In my own family, I can say with complete certitude that NO AMOUNT OF MONEY CAN EVER UNDO THE GENOCIDE OF SIX MILLION JEWS. And my father, who narrowly escaped the gas chambers of the Nazis himself, said, quite simply, "Money? Hell, no. I'd prefer to have the thirty-three members of my family who were murdered back with me instead of all the hard cash imaginable....what is WRONG with people who think that money can undo all that misery and suffering?"



Most Jews preferred what happened at the Nuremburg War Crimes Trials that showed the world EXACTLY how the Nazis made GENOCIDE official state policy and with typical German efficiency, they did their job so well that almost all of the Jews in Western Europe were EXTERMINATED once and for all. Ever hear the phrase "Final Solution," CHRONOLOGY? If not, then I recommend strongly that you read about the Wannsee Conference, held near Lake Wannsee on January 20, 1942 where the phrase was used quite freely by the Nazi officials in attendance. I wonder how THAT little piece of information escaped your scrutiny, Chronology.



I'd like to know what YOU, Chronology, might have responded to my father if he'd said these things to YOU. And, by the way, I see that once again you avoid using the word "murdered" instead of innocuous words like "detained" or "persecuted" and I am really curious to know WHY you studiously avoid THAT word. Approximately six millions Jews were butchered like livestock while YOU avoid using the obvious word to call their suffering exactly what it was. Those six million people were not DETAINED nor were they PERSECUTED. I am a great believer in calling things EXACTLY what they were: these unfortunates were MURDERED, and WHY do you refuse to acknowledge that once and for all?



Honestly, I am curious to hear your reply and please DO NOT try to weasel out of it by using the verbal sleight of hand of a sophist. Just tell me the TRUTH, once and for all.



Any reply?




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chronology
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Echolegacy
Echolegacy:
I wonder just what it was that you deleted, Chronology. It would be most instructive to see if it was just another convoluted and confused diatribe like the others you fired off with such alacrity. Perhaps it would not even be necessary to see it because once you paused and had a "moment of clarity," which prevailed and induced you to rethink whatever it was you posted.


But we will never know---will we?



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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: Anyone who denies the holocaust is a massive wanker... I know Polish people with tattoos on t heir arms and have listened to their stories. Can't tell me they all lie
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theHating
theHating: yeah, im not sure who the revisionist are trying to convince, are they trying to convince the internet?
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