Abortion And how pat robertson became a cuck (Page 2) theHating: thats a strawman, feminism is the fight for equal rights. and i have heard people frame it that way. ever hear this one? "the feminists want women to join the draft" not true, also the draft is mandatory active military service, not a right.  lori100: what equal rights? they also want men in women's bathrooms and to pretend they are women.... theHating: okay, why dont you name me one of all these feminists that you claim are saying these things lori100: yes knew that...what equal rights ? you know the left is for feminists who want men in women's bathrooms and want everyone to pretend a man in a dress is a woman theHating: the average life span of a transgendered person is about 30 years. i know the facts on what contributes to their short lifespan, and they would greatly hurt your feelings. but, i wonder if you think transgendered people should have the right to use the bathroom of the sex they identify with or if just cis (people who identify as "normal" or with the biological assignment they were born with) have the right to do that. what do you think of cisgenders who dont care if a bathroom is "ladies only" because all toilets catch pee? theHating: lori, im gunna address written rights and cultural norms, too, something that you are conflating theHating: you realize men are not the only ones that use a bathroom assigned to the opposite sex, right? men are not the only people in the class "transgender people"  edmund_carey:
What qualifies a panel of men to decide on women's "reproductive rights" is either the fact that they are certified medical authorities, or that they have been put in office by the electorate of a democracy. Dismissing them as "old white guys" is about as rational as saying that the Theory of Relativity must be false because it was discovered by a Jew. Maintaining that only women should pronounce on whether or not life in the womb is expendable for any reason you want to see it as such is exactly like saying that slavery is only an issue for the owners of plantations - if you don't face having get your crop in without slaves, keep your mouth shut about the justice of owning them. The "viability of a fetus", if that is a way of referring to its right not to have its life violently stripped from it, is determined by one thing only - is it alive. "The ability of the fetus in its stage of development to sustain itself outside of the womb" may be a question of interest in a case where there is reason to want to sustain it outside of the womb - since medicine exists to cure and to save, not to kill - but it has no bearing whatever on whether life is in question, or whether that life is human. All of that is as obvious as that the sun is up, to anyone possessed of a sense of responsibility, or of a modicum of respect for anyone other than him/herself, or of an ounce of feeling. theHating: "What qualifies a panel of men to decide on women's "reproductive rights" is either the fact that they are certified medical authorities, or that they have been put in office by the electorate of a democracy. Dismissing them as "old white guys" is about as rational as saying that the Theory of Relativity must be false because it was discovered by a Jew. " i like this quote. if only said panel was ever a panel of medical authorities. im sure you have a ben carson quote highlighted in wordpad for me. "The "viability of a fetus", if that is a way of referring to its right not to have its life violently stripped from it, is determined by one thing only - is it alive. "The ability of the fetus in its stage of development to sustain itself outside of the womb" may be a question of interest in a case where there is reason to want to sustain it outside of the womb - since medicine exists to cure and to save, not to kill - but it has no bearing whatever on whether life is in question, or whether that life is human." and then its funny when the science is politicized and the scientists no longer have any business using distinguishing terms to define fetal growth. so, in alabama, the science has been politicized in a way that ignores the fetal distinguishing features but makes use of scientists utility to detect a heartbeat so early in a pregnancy. theHating: what i mean by that is a pro-lifer will say "its killing children" because scientists define the embryo as human or human being throughout every phase of fetal development. the reason the fetus is "human" is because it is a zygote made of human tissue exclusively. scientists dont refer to each stage of fetal development by calling the zygote anything other than a human. for example; at conception, the human being consists of x, y, and z. at the time of 8 weeks, the human being has developed several more x's and and "w" and so on. the argument that mothers are essentially committing murder doesnt rest on the science, it rests on the moral argument that a human being in the womb should have the right not to be terminated. and there are plenty of good reasons and plenty of bad reasons, but in the end, abortion is an essential healthcare need and many feel it needs to be a right that women have the opportunity to receive the care they need. edmund_carey: In Alabama the fact that the science says nothing that establishes that what you kill when you abort is both alive and human is being honestly acknowledged by lawmakers. Killing life in the womb is only very rarely a "healthcare need", as it is in cases where pregnancy puts the mother's life or health at risk, but that is almost never so in the modern world. Pregnancy is not an illness. And it only lasts until someone gets born, as they do in those cases where the right to do so wasn't taken away from them violently. Undertake the responsibility of being pregnant and you can rest assured that natural process will free you from it in less time than it will take for your next birthday to come round. (Edited by edmund_carey) | Politics Chat Room 48 People Chatting Similar Conversations |