Yet another god doesnt exist thread. (Page 2)

zeffur: re: "Sir Loin: Zeff you base a fair bit on the interpretation of the bible by some self professed expert such as the happy clappy pastors. They really have very little understanding of the word but assume things that fit with their previously held beliefs. For instance, nowhere does the bible contradict evolution"

The Holy Bible clearly states God made Adam, all the creatures, & then Eve--not curious George (an extinct chimp) who produced offspring that later evolved into mankind. Evolution & intelligent design are not compatible with each other at all or in any way.

zeffur: re: "Angry Beaver: Cos of course I never read the bible and rejected it using reason and logic when i was about 13 lol"

Because we all know the wisdom of 13 yos are so good that who would ever wonder why any of them might get things horribly wrong in your advanced thinking & experience... People all over the world regularly seek out such brilliance...

Perhaps an honest & thorough reconsideration of all of the information now that you are an adult *may* be benefiical to you...

MJ59: My scholastic comprehension and ability to reason at an advanced level was quite good at that age so yeah, I did have the wherewithal to use reason and logic to make life choices at that age thanks
I used my intelligence to question, not to join a cult and be told what to think and believe

MJ59: Whatever ya reckon bro, I know what the teachers said


Did they tell you you'd end up flipping burgers?

Test results read "Superior to very superior results in tests of general reasoning ability"

So make whatever you like of that, I don;t really care lol

But, I shan't have unknowns disparaging my intelligence, even though I don't usually blow my own trumpet unless it's called into question....

MJ59: LOL mate I have made my own bed with what I know and believe and neither you ar anyone will change my mind without a bucketload of proof to contradict what I know to be true... Btw age and experience has done nothing but confirm what i decided at 48 years ago

Oh and the bible is unfalsifiable so it's a crock of shit... that's why creationism is PSEUDOscience

zeffur: I suggest you start here as though your eternal life depends on it--which it does.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201&version=AMP;KJV

Best wishes to you.

MJ59: Pass, already read and analysed the bible, it's bullshit and there is no eternal life bro
Dead is dead, believing in a pie in the sky la di da fairytale don't change that

zeffur: Then you have chosen to forsake it.
You have that freedom.

Ciao.

MJ59: Cool....like you say, my choice to reject fantasy

zeffur: And your choice to not have faith to be open to the truth.
You chose to be closed to it & you sealed your experience as a result of your choice.
God doesn't force...He only invites.
You are free to decide. You have decided & this is the result of your past decisions.
Keep/change your decision--the decision has always been yours to make.

l8r....

MJ59: How is it the truth, what... because YOU believe it??

Sorry mate some people actually don't take it as a written history of the world because MEN wrote it....superstitious men at that lol

God invites?? Miserable bastage musta forgot to mail it to me or put a stamp on it

zeffur: You've rejected the truth that God offers & that is why it was not revealed to you. You chose atheism & the dishonest irrational belief in evolution when it is so obviously bogus that it amazes any honest, rational, & intelligent person that you have accepted it as true.

re: "Sorry mafte some peiople actually don;t take it as a written history of the world because MEN wrote it....superstitious men at that lol"

That ^^ isn't what you are seeking. You are seeking a relationship with the Higher power. When you are serious about that, then you will see the truth of things that you were blinded to in your past--and you will become the best version of you that you could ever possibly be on your own as you are blessed. Failing to understand that is to walk about with a burlap sack over your head & only understand some of what you could have possibly understood in life.

Don't be believe me--honestly try it out for yourself without your blinders on (i.e. with an honest open mind)--or decide to remain set in your ways--it is your decision.

MJ59: Dude, crediting evolution has ZERO to do with my rejecting your bible version....so you lot need to stop being dishonest and saying people who credit the evolutionary theory are godless heathens... I Didn't reject god because I was taught evolution, i rejected god because what I saw in the the bible was bullshit and a made up story to scare kiddies

MJ59: Religion = faith in a fantasy because you have no faith in yourself

zeffur: I sugguest you consult the dictionary for the definitions of religion & faith.
Your over simplification is not valid.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/faith?s=t

MJ59: I know what religious faith is
My "oversimplification", as you call it, is spot on, just because you don;t like it doesn't make it untrue

zeffur: If this " i rejected god because what I saw in the the bible was bullshit and a made up story to scare kiddies" is all that you could glean from the bible, then it doesn't surprise me why you accept evolution.

re: ".so you lot need to stop being dishonest and saying people who credit the evolutionary theory are godless heathens"
Most who accept evolution are atheists. Those who believe in God & who accept evolution are really just ignorant of what evolution really is. Given all the facts & fallacies perpetrated on them--most realize what a complete crock of shite evolution is--the problem is that most aren't interested enough in it to seek out the truth about it--so they just accept it willy-nilly rather than seriously consider it credible.

zeffur: "Angry Beaver: I know what religious faith is"

If that ^^ is true, then you could not arrive at this conclusion "Religion = faith in a fantasy because you have no faith in yourself " because that is not what religion is & it doesn't happen because a person doesn't have faith in her/himself.

MJ59: So the pope is ignorant? He credits evolution as being real

And yeah it does = no faith in yourself when you need a spurious tome to read to tell you how to live and pray to a non existent deity to make your life perfect

MJ59: I have faith in my own ability to know right from wrong and empathy and compassion to know how to display it correctly

zeffur: The Catholic church has been corrupt for centuries. Its practices are not biblically consistent, imo. Now that isn't to be construded to mean all of its members are corrupt. There are many good things done by good Catholics.

MJ59: Yeah it's them filthy kiddie fiddler priests that give em a bad name lol
Of course "christian" leaders never fiddled kiddies either lol

zeffur: re: "And yeah it does = no faith in yourself when you need a spurious tome to read to tell you how to live"

No, that is incorrect. The bible is like a seed--you need initial input to gain knowledge & insight. It also serves as a guide to help people to understand certain moral questions when they occur during their lives.