Yet another god doesnt exist thread. (Page 9)

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AchillesSinatra: Try adding that to your resume, dude: "I do not believe Trump is president".

Don't call us, we'll call you.
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zeffur
zeffur: Let me know how that works out for you--given that it is your epithet.
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zeffur
zeffur: lol@"These hounds never let go."

re: "AchillesSinatra: And he makes as much sense as you do: None "

And yet, infinitely more sense than you.
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AchillesSinatra: Vote for Trump
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Motati
Motati: Different strokes ........
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: Again, with the 340,000 words or whatever it was, you still are totally incorrect as well as inappropriate and rude in every way. Let's get to the point of what you believe is certainly so. No words like odious or any other words you look at in the Dictionary for to hide the immaturity that you, not us, have. You, without question, certainly do believe that God does exist ? Just answer with a yes or no, nothing else. I bet I know the answer but just give me the joy of seeing it anyway.
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zeffur
zeffur: That isn't obvious to you, Gerald?? The fairytale myth of evolution is pure rubbish from every aspect & every perspective. It can* only be accepted by atheists & nitwits. Who doesn't realize that is true?? The atheists & nitwits? lol
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: Anything on here that you don't agree with you decide is a reason to use insults at People and claim that they, not you, are ignorant and arrogant. Very hypocritical. I asked you to just go yes or no, unfortunately as I thought you didn't do so, so do so. No more of your other stuff in your next reply, I will admit that you were very predictable though. No replying with a string of questions. Yes there are Atheists and Nitwits around, I'm neither. Again, regardless of what is obvious to me even if I know that someone will answer with a yes or no or avoids the question and changes the subject, you did do the latter after all. So you ignored answering and you also claim that those that don't agree with you are ignorant and arrogant. Doesn't that show that someone that can't even show that there is a possibility that he is wrong is arrogant and doesn't it also mean that such a Person that does that is ignorant ? Don't answer the last question, just answer with a one word ONLY a yes or no answer to if you believe that God does exist.
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zeffur: Gerald, tell us how nonlife evolved into complex life on earth without intelligence. Be specific & cite actual verified evidence that isn't based on subjective assumptions or opinions. Do you have any truth to offer or just your beliefs?
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Sandra1957
Sandra1957: He treats everyone that way GeraldtheGnome. Just a typical
right wing radical.
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Sir Loin
Sir Loin: Zeff, try to get your head around deep time. Nobody believes life evolved at one specific point in time, it took hundreds of millions of years. The fossil record shows ample evidence of a slow evolution.
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zeffur
zeffur: A long time isn't a Bandaid for a worthless theory..

Evolutioners pretend their beliefs are 'scientific fact'--when pressed to show compelling/convincing evidence or proof & a cogent explanation for their purported 'evolution is a scientific fact'--they can only produce half-baked evidence that no sane, honest, rational, intelligent, & informed person would ever consider to be valid/true--you know--except for atheists & other nitwits--they don't require such information to believe & falsely promote their fact claim lies. They would have us believe we evolved from microbes to mankind & our ancestors crawled up out of the seas & eventually morphed into mankind--which is pure fiction/rubbish. Tossing in unlimited time doesn't result in their myth being a reality--it just results in lots of time.

Nature is very capable of lots of variations expressed within each kind of creature (think of the wide variations from wolves to teacup poodles, etc.)--evolution isn't even a real thing. All they've done is pretend biological heredity causes kind-level evolution--which has never been shown/verified to be true--hences it's unsubstantiated rubbish even after over 160 years of every misleading tangent that they could offer to try to con people that their biased atheistic beliefs are true.
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: Oh he did come back ? I scared him off that much that he was gone for over 20 days. He still never answered any of my questions. Just changed the subject to avoid them, also he asked questions with answers. I can't tell anyone how something came from nothing just as I can't tell you how life came from anything that never lived and still doesn't. The reason is because no one has the answer for that. Now since this is about does God exist, rather than about everything else that you want us to go on about, we should address why God does or doesn't exist. How did God come about ? What was before God ? Why do you even think that God does exist and in what way does God exist ? Anyone who disagrees with you is just going on about absolute Crap. According to you. Are they or is it just because you yourself don't have the answers you wish to have when someone comes up with something that you don't understand ?

Is everything in the Bible correct ? Have you ever seen a Male rib turned into a complete Adult Woman without her ever being anything but an Adult ? How was the Bible brought about ? Who has evidence of a talking Snake ? What did and does God look like visually ? Go on, tell someone about half baked evidence after explaining properly how everything is so, according to you, about everything that I just asked you. Will you be shown to be correct or just someone else without the answers ? Even those that use the 'Intelligent Design' theory' cannot answer everything in a credible manner. So who is really biased ? Is there someone trying to con People that a Gnostic belief, that is held so strongly, is indeed correct ? Hypocrisy, ignorance and arrogance is a worthless way to be. Decide if you are to be hypocritical, ignorant and arrogant from here on in.
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zeffur
zeffur: re: "I scared him off that much that he was gone for over 20 days."

You didn't scare me in the slightest. I just didn't get a notice that anyone had posted to this forum.

re: "He still never answered any of my questions."

It wasn't necessary as it is completely obvious.

re: "Just changed the subject to avoid them"

Obviously, that is a common response in such a situation.

re: "he asked questions with answers."

So what?

re: I can't tell anyone how something came from nothing just as I can't tell you how life came from anything that never lived and still doesn't. The reason is because no one has the answer for that.

Indeed. That's a much better answer than most would offer. Kudos to you!

re: "How did God come about?"

No one knowns for certain. The Bible indicates the following:

"I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." Rev 1:8 AB KJV

"I am the Alpha and the Omega [the Beginning and the End],” says the Lord God, “Who is [existing forever] and Who was [continually existing in the past] and Who is to come, the Almighty [the Omnipotent, the Ruler of all]." Rev 1:8 AB

"Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. Rev 1:11 KJV

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." Rev 22:13

As far as I can recall at this time, that's all that we've been given to know.

re: "What was before God?"

Unknown.

re: "Why do you even think that God does exist and in what way does God exist?

1. Life cannot exist without intelligence. Nature has no mechanism for causing life to emerge from nonlife.

2. The fine tuning of the universe is very specific. Very small changes in some of it's fundamental parameters & life could not exist & most certainly would cease to exist.

3. I believe God is supernatural & capable of inter-dimensional existence & travel. He likely had to exist in another dimension before creating this one & He has traveled within this dimension, according to what is written in The Bible.

re: "Anyone who disagrees with you is just going on about absolute Crap. According to you. Are they or is it just because you yourself don't have the answers you wish to have when someone comes up with something that you don't understand?"

People are free to believe whatever they want to believe. If they want me to accept what they believe then they will need to convince/persuade me to accept what they think/believe. If they cannot do so, then I maintain what I think/believe. Do I think some beliefs are absolutely unsubstantiate rubbish? Obviously, what sane & rational person doesn't??

re: "Is everything in the Bible correct?"

Some humans have introduced some translational errors & inadvertent omissions that have been corrected over time, but otherwise, I think it is on the whole exceptionally accurate. Is it perfect? I doubt it. Is it 100% complete? I doubt it. Does any of that mean that it isn't valuable, useful, or worth while? No.

re: "Have you ever seen a Male rib turned into a complete Adult Woman without her ever being anything but an Adult?

No. However, The Bible specifies in Genesis 2:21-23 that Adam was put to sleep, one of his ribs was removed, his wound was closed up, Eve was made from Adam's rib, & Eve was given to Adam to be his mate. I consider that to be a form of modified cloning. Given that the writers of The Bible were not aware of such technology (they were mainly cattle herders who lived in tents), it's relatively sound reasoning that someone must have informed them of how Eve was created. Adam & Eve were uniquely created & the rest of humanity was created via human reproduction.

re: "How was the Bible brought about?"

Men were told by God or some representative of God (e.g. an angel) what to write in some cases. In other cases the Apostles wrote of their first hand accounts. In other cases (e.g. Luke) wrote of their knowledge & experiences in the early days of the followers of Jesus (i.e. the formation of the church (which is the body (believers & followers of Jesus' teachings)).

re: "Who has evidence of a talking Snake?"

The Bible--which is the testimony of people who had actual experiences that they documented (including what they were told by God or a representative of God to document).

re: "What did and does God look like visually?"

There are very few verses that I recall which indicate details of God's appearance. One shows that He walked in the cool of the garden--which indicates He has legs. Another states that God is light & Spirit. Another indicates the color of His hair. Another indicates man was made in the image (form) of God (so, presumeably God has a head, torso, arms, legs, eyes, nose, mouth, ears, etc.). I don't have a list of all of God's feature details, so there are probably others that I'm not listing. Perhaps you should Google your own question for more details?

re: "Go on, tell someone about half baked evidence after explaining properly how everything is so, according to you, about everything that I just asked you. Will you be shown to be correct or just someone else without the answers?"

So, does that ^^ statement indicate that you are guilty of your own hypocrisy? "Anyone who disagrees with you is just going on about absolute Crap. According to you. Are they or is it just because you yourself don't have the answers you wish to have when someone comes up with something that you don't understand?"

re: "Even those that use the 'Intelligent Design' theory' cannot answer everything in a credible manner."

Who ever asserted/claimed that they could? Not me. We provide the best available information that we believe is true. When possible we provide hard evidence such as what has been found via archeaological activities (e.g. scrolls, tablets or other inscriptions, pottery, carvings, etc). Many of those artifacts have been authenticated & studied by scholars for decades. There is also other archeaological evidence. See the following:

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2018/december/biblical-archaeology-top-10-discoveries-2018-israel.html

https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/december/biblical-archaeologys-top-10-discoveries-of-2019.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_archaeology




re: "So who is really biased?"

Every person who chooses one belief over another--especially those who ignore clear facts or surpress information that would indicate how they are wrong in their beliefs--which I believe has been done often by evolutioners.

re: Is there someone trying to con People that a Gnostic belief, that is held so strongly, is indeed correct?

I don't personally know anyone who is doing that, but, I wouldn't put it past humanity--there are lots of people who try to exploit others. It's been going on forever & still goes on today.

re: "Hypocrisy, ignorance and arrogance is a worthless way to be."

Indeed, which is why sane, intelligent, honest, rational, & informed people tend to consider all of the available information carefully & make the best discerments that they can about what is true, what is likely true, & what is untrue, & what is likely untrue.

re: "Decide if you are to be hypocritical, ignorant and arrogant from here on in."

Lol...You seem to think you're initiating something new here...That's hilarious. Like every other person, I will consider whatever you offer & decide for myself if any of it is worth anything or not.
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: None of that is correct, it is also very rude to repeat word for word what another put. What I mentioned about you is so. The clear facts are that the Bible is a Human interpretation of the unknown, so therefore you know as much as those that made it, you guess in other words yet you put everything down to being certainly what you believe, what you believe rather than what you know is for certain. To do such a thing and to be as close minded as you are does show that you are being irrational, ignorant, stupid, arrogant, dishonest about things that you are uninformed about or at least what you misunderstand that you put down as being so. In reality no one can show you evidence otherwise because anyone that shows anything contrary to your own misguided belief system is wrong, according to you. You were scared my 'Friend' in denial.

All you showed was what was put in the Bible as well as the belief, not evidence, before that that was that everything before that was so because an Angel appeared, a talking Snake appeared, God appeared (though evidence of what he looked like is a sketchy and vague as 'well he is Chinese with black Hair' in reference to a Chinaman) , Jesus appeared and so on. All of which is suggested to be so because it is suggested so in the Bible which was not even compiled by solely one Author even. Your back up for your belief system is circular since everything comes back to what is in the Bible and what is suggested In the Bible. You personally are wanting to con People that your Gnostic view system is correct, if you are too ignorant to notice that then that's your problem not mine. Where there is doubt there should be uncertainty, it would be wise to notice that the 'Novel' that you just made with your message should be noticed as something to be doubtful about since certainty over what you don't know is the only thing new I was trying to wake you up to. Those who can't question what they mention to others are People who lack any credibility when it comes to anything they think is right even when it is wrong. I indeed failed to show anything new to you, which is to use common sense, logic, doubt, what is possible and rationality. Nothing funny is on here, just the tragedy of you being out of touch with reality.
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zeffur
zeffur: re: "GeraldtheGnome: None of that is correct..."

In YOUR UNPROVEN OPINION ^^. If you have proof of ANYTHING superior you should show it. You won't of course, because you likely have NO truths to offer.

re: "...it is also very rude to repeat word for word what another put."

You are entitled to YOUR opinion. Having an opinion does not mean you are RIGHT/CORRECT--it could also reveal that you are just a clueless nitwit.

re: "What I mentioned about you is so. The clear facts are that the Bible is a Human interpretation of the unknown, so therefore you know as much as those that made it, you guess in other words yet you put everything down to being certainly what you believe, what you believe rather than what you know is for certain."

What you have there ^^ is an example of YOUR foolish arrogance. You were not there when the authors of The Bible wrote each book of The Bible. You also do NOT know their motivations at all. You presuppose what you do not know & therefore make yourself a prejudice hypocrite.

re: "To do such a thing and to be as close minded as you are does show that you are being irrational, ignorant, stupid, arrogant, dishonest about things that you are uninformed about or at least what you misunderstand that you put down as being so."

I am none of the things that you listed above. I accept some information as truths because it makes more sense than other information that I have considered. Your listing such things does not make them true--regardless of your confusions/delusions to the contrary.

re: "In reality no one can show you evidence otherwise because anyone that shows anything contrary to your own misguided belief system is wrong, according to you."

Untrue. I accept REAL verfied evidence all the time that is compelling/convincing, proof, & offered with cogent explanations--you have provided/offered NO such evidence/information. What YOU offer is your arrogant & irrational beliefs, then you have the audacity to think people should blindly belief you. You offer no verified truths---if you have any genuine truth & proof to offer, then get to it---otherwise, you aren't worth my time, Mr. Nobody.

re: "You were scared my 'Friend' in denial."

You flatter yourself in vain. You didn't & don't scare me at all or in any way. Keep deluding yourself otherwise, if you need to, Sunshine--it will just add to your other delusions.

re: "All you showed was what was put in the Bible as well as the belief, not evidence, before that that was that everything before that was so because an Angel appeared, a talking Snake appeared, God appeared (though evidence of what he looked like is a sketchy and vague as 'well he is Chinese with black Hair' in reference to a Chinaman) , Jesus appeared and so on."

I did not state "he is Chinese with black Hair"--I stated the available information that I could recall--no one can give you what they don't have. Not being able to provide you with details doesn't negate the existence of God. We are not given every detail, but, it doesn't matter, because the useful essence of what The Bible provides is evident to any sane, intelligent, honest, rational, & informed person. You likely lack such traits because you are not an honest person.

re: "All of which is suggested to be so because it is suggested so in the Bible which was not even compiled by solely one Author even."

Of course it wasn't written by one author. Part of how it is authenticated is that other writings provide confirmations from other perspectives that certain events did in fact occur. The Bible is an authenticated collection of eye-witness testimony (in many cases) that IS evidence--whether you're honest & wise enough to stipulate to that or not is another matter all together.

re: "Your back up for your belief system is circular since everything comes back to what is in the Bible and what is suggested In the Bible."

Untrue. It is a starting point that serves as a basis of information. Until proven otherwise it is authenticated sound information for the most part. You hate it as a primary source because it is YOU who wishes to deceive & control others with your unsubstantiate beliefs--it's not a new strategy--people far smarter than you have tried it forever & failed for obvious reasons. You likely go about searching for weak & confused minds that you can manipulate. You've undoubtedly encountered many people in which you've been able to deceive. I'm not one of them.

re: "You personally are wanting to con People that your Gnostic view system is correct, if you are too ignorant to notice that then that's your problem not mine."

I share with people what I truly accept as true. They are free to believe whatever they wish--as are you. I augment what I know with my own personal experiences & I adjust my knowledge according to actual truths that I confirm & discover are true as I go through life. I also share those with other people who may be smart enough to understand them--you may not be such a person, due to your closedmindness, confusions, & delusions.

re: "Where there is doubt there should be uncertainty..."

Agreed. Until I get truer information, I keep what is believed to be true. Thus far you have only offered your unproven opinions--which is why you are ineffectual--because you offer no verified truths.

re: ...it would be wise to notice that the 'Novel' that you just made with your message should be noticed as something to be doubtful about since certainty over what you don't know is the only thing new I was trying to wake you up to."

I find it hilarious that you think YOU are WAKING anyone up. I know full well exactly what I choose to believe (accept as true without sufficient evidence to prove otherwise) & why I reject dumb opinions from chumps like you (reread above as I have already explained both of those things to you) who aren't smart enough to learn & use the truths that are within The Bible. Whenever you have something superior to share with people--you let us know--otherwise, opinions are like a-holes--everyone has them.

re: "Those who can't question what they mention to others are People who lack any credibility when it comes to anything they think is right even when it is wrong."

As before, you are free to try to prove what YOU believe is true. Your inability to do so occurs because you offer NO truth--just improperly provided unsubstantiate opinions or confused interpretations of reality. Your schtick isn't new, clever or effective. Either put up some truth & proof or compelling/convince evidence & cogent explanation for what you believe is true or sit neutered as you likely do for most of your life. It's your choice.

re: "I indeed failed to show anything new to you, which is to use common sense, logic, doubt, what is possible and rationality."

As state essentially by me above--you offer NO verfied truths--which is why you find yourself ineffectual & why you are disturbed within yourself because you think you're more intelligent & clever than you are--but, reality proves over & over to you that you are not. So, hey, get to providing some verified truths or forever sit in your confusions & delusions. I'm only interested in verified truths--so get to it already or be gone in search of someone below your intelligence level that you may be able to con.

re: "Nothing funny is on here, just the tragedy of you being out of touch with reality."

Don't pretend your confusions & delusions are reality--they aren't.

Got anything worthy of my time or are your opinions all that you can offer??
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: I'm not deluded, your Video has People that, as much as they are pro Bible, state themselves the word likely, not once, but many times. That shows doubt, even though I did find the Video interesting but biased. I'm not the one out of the two of us that is pretending to be right about stuff. The word is TRUTH, not TRUTHS, there should not be a plural. If I don't know what is certainly so then I don't declare something to be certain, you do though. I am not trying to con anyone, you've conned yourself and possibly at least another into believing that certain things are as you think they are when they aren't. I'm at ease with myself, I have clarity. I don't think I am smarter than I am, by the way the words smart and clever mean the same thing. You only want People to agree with you, anyone else is considered stupid and inferior to you. You are lying to yourself and me, but that is fine, I am being honest, as I have when I first appeared on here and I always have been honest on here. You were scared, you still are, because your belief system, as flawed as it is, is still being challenged. You hate that. The only one that you should laugh at is yourself.

I never mentioned that you ever mentioned anything about a Black haired Man in China, you very inaccurately came to that conclusion yourself, just as you did with your continuous lack of evidence that I am arrogant, foolish, prejudicial and a Hypocrite, along with the string of insults you have made. Basically everything that you have claimed that I am wrong about are actually what you are wrong about, you are too ignorant to notice that. God was always around ? ,You don't know that, I don't know that, it's a question that at least so far doesn't have a proper answer. Even if it is believed that God was there at the beginning and he will be around at the end indicates a finite timeline which contradicts any belief that he was always around. Who apart from God was there on the first day or at least the last Day of creation ? So how do we know what God did ? That's right, by compiled bits of information about places and People put together by People well after the event that is supposed to have happened thousands of Years ago. Before that there was no life on Earth ? Well that is what I'm meant to believe. So I must agree that there was a talking Snake, that God removed a Rib and turned it into a Woman, even though Adam didn't see it happen, the sole Human before Eve, that the seventh day was of rest and so on. So it still is a Human interpretation of the unknown, it is not arrogant to mention that since it is what it is even if I pretend that it isn't so. Nothing hypocritical about that. I hoped that you would wake up to the way things are, but I didn't so I agree that I failed, in your case, to wake you up. I have continuously told you that until you and anyone else, including the outright Atheists (not Agnostic Atheists) , have evidence to show undeniable evidence that what, if it is you or anyone like you believes, is believed to be so is so or what those that oppose your belief system (apart from Agnostics which includes me) believe in is so then everyone else (myself included) will tell all that believe that something is certain that it is only possible that any of you are right, also that you all (including the outright Atheists) are arrogant to claim that something is certain when you all lack the evidence to show it.

Agnostics don't have to show that something theological is so by evidence in the way that Agnostics wait to see because we are waiting for all the others (yourself included) to undeniably show us that there is or isn't a God. Agnostic Theists (myself included) do hope that God does exist and that there is a God but are open to the possibility that there isn't a God if evidence is shown that that is so, if not then you who likes to insult those that don't agree with you will continue to show us much of a closed mind as outright Atheists do. That's why Agnostics are open minded and others are not. I am also not against Agnostic Atheists who think because there is no evidence of a God that there probably isn't one, but they know that there is a possibility that they are wrong. You claim that you are all for anything to be possible, but when someone told you that what you mentioned so far is only possible (in relation only to the things that are only possible) then you mistakenly come to the conclusion of everything you so far have mentioned is correct, which includes your insults in your hissy fits. So either you admit that you are possibly wrong even when there is no evidence against yours to be shown or go about as you have so far. This is what is so, it isn't my opinion, since what is certain is that almost anything is possible so long is there is a credible chance that it is so. Until evidence is shown to me, not the other way around, then all I am receiving are belief systems and opinions. PS The word you were wanting to use or at least I hope you were was basis, not bases. I'm not the one on here that has to show evidence to prove his point, you are. If there is a Jesus then he must love me. Why ? Because "the Bible tells me so" . It's a lovely Hymn.
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zeffur
zeffur: Once again, you offer nothing but your opinions--most of which are wrong.

How did life originate on earth?
Do you accept the belief offered by evolutionists about how life changes on earth?
If yes, what complelling/convincing verified evidence or proof & cogent explanation can you offer that any sane, intelligent, honest, rational, & informed person would consider & accept to agree with such a belief?

Or, are you just content waffling in the middle as an agnostic?? Here's a hint for you--if you do not have faith in God & have not accepted Jesus--then you will not be saved--based on your own decision. Tick tock.. if you are wrong then you lose eternal life in God's Kingdom. Fence riders are treated like atheists--"I don't know" is not a defense because there is plenty of information for any sane & honest person to arrive at a valid conclusion.
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theHating
theHating: Accept evolution or die!
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zeffur
zeffur: You will die...it's inevitable.
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: It's not waffling, that after seeing what you continuously put on here anyway that's a bit rich and by the way you are completely wrong about all of the other stuff too. If there is evidence for the existence of God available at present to me, which by the way hasn't been shown by you or anyone else at the least then you, not just me has to be honest and admit that you are possibly wrong, just as there still is not no evidence that God does exist by outright evidence, so they just like you have to admit that they are possibly wrong. You are stubborn too. There is no evidence that all life was created by God if there ever was and indeed is a God but I hope there is, the hope bit is a belief system, so that alone is an opinion not all the other stuff that YOU have an opinion on. Truer ? That's as grammatically correct as off of and offa, as well as arksed and aksed. The I don't know is not a defence because there is no information for any sane and honest Person to arrive at any type of valid conclusion. The reality is that you don't know just as I don't know, the difference is that I'm not ignoring that that is so. There is no evidence that any living Human will be in a Kingdom of God because there may not even be one, the only People that know for sure (if there is even an afterlife) are the already dead. Of course Bible Bashers always go to the eternal damnation angle or do what you did since you are one of them.

There is no evidence at least so far of how exactly life originated on Earth, not by the creationists and not by those that support evolution. Stop using the word cogent because it is indeed a ridiculous word. I will tell you one thing though, when I come across a sane, intelligent, honest, as well as honest with himself/herself, rational and informed Person then that Person will consider and accept whatever is so. I haven't seen anything from such a Person on here for over 16 hours at the very least. Not that I've communicated with that is.
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zeffur: re: "GeraldtheGnome: It's not waffling..."

Of course it is--you're just not honest enough to admit it--or you are just dishonest & you are really just another lying atheist--which would't surprise anyone because most atheists lack genuine integrity.

re: "...and by the way you are completely wrong about all of the other stuff too."

Prove your false claim ^^ is true--if you can (which we both know you can't).

re: "If there is evidence for the existence of God available at present to me..."

There exists much evidence for the existence of God that YOU can find if you genuinely want to know it. Given your position, it is very likely that you are really an atheist who is pretending to be agnostic. This is true because such information does exist & you have rejected it because you apparently don't want it to be true or because you won't be satisfied until you have God in a bottle & on a scale under your control--which will never happen, because God isn't subject to human dominion.

The Bible IS EVIDENCE of human interaction with God--hence is shows a group of people interacted with God & they have continued to do so for thousands of years. You don't get to pretend it isn't real or that it isn't evidence--because it is evidence. Perhaps you need to do a study on the different types of evidence--that might help you to correct your objections.

The proven fact that Jesus existed & ascended into the clouds is attested to by eye witnesses that have been documented in The Bible. No one would have continued to follow Jesus' ways had He not done miracles, been risen from the dead, & ascended into heaven. Modern Christianity would also not exist had other believers in Jesus not existed in the past. Your denial of such facts is evidence of your unwillingness to accept the evidence that IS available.

Life on earth is another example of an argument for the existence of God--as it is clearly stated in The Bible how life came into existence on earth. Your refusal to accept that information only reveals your desire to support the fairytale myth of evolution because you wish it to be true--rather than accept the truth that is documented in The Bible--even when it is patently clear that evolution is false from every perspective.

Human consciousness & the uniqueness of the human spirit are both evidence of God's existence. Man cannot explain why any person should have a conscience & a personality that is different from other people. Try as they may, all they can offer are opinions--nothing else. The worst of them pretend human consciousness is not a real thing--which is completely dishonest & absurd.

The genetic stasis of kinds of creatures is another evidence of the existence of God's complex creation--and by association--God's existence. We know there is no evolution between kinds of creatures because there are NO genuine transitional fossils from one kind of creature to another. We also know there are hard limits to the maximum variations that are permissible within a genome. Canine creatures (e.g. wolves, dogs, etc) can be bred into many variations--but, there is no 'natural' mechanism that would ever cause a dog to evolve into any other kind of creature (e.g. dog-cat or a dog-rodent or any other kind of creature).

Fruit flies have been extensively bred to exhaustion & killed down to the last survivor in a batch & no other kind of creature was ever generated--all we ever see are many variations of the kind. Evolutioners use speciation as a game to deceive people like yourself into thinking natural variations are evidence of evoluion--but, they aren't--they are just evidence of the wide variations that are possible within a kind (e.g. Great Dane's to teacup poodles--while widely different--they are still the same kind of creature).

The intricately balanced design of the universe & life are both evidence of God's intelligent design. We know nature by itself has no intelligence. A radiating/exploding cosmic body has no will to create/make life. Light, heat/fire, water, land, etc--have no intelligence, intention, nor ability to create life of any kind. We've spent hundreds of billions of dollars trying to determine how life originated & have tried endlessly to artifically create life without the products of life & we have failed every single time. Our greatest accomlishments have been to clone (copying dna from one cell to another) & genetic flipping & splicing (replacing snippets of genetic code within existing life to artificially create genetic variations). In a nut shell our best & brightest minds with unlimited resources can't even artificially create or explain how life came into existence from nonlife--except through intelligent design & creation (the smartest of them admit it anyway--the others just pretend nature somehow mysteriously created life--which is a pitiful example of wishful thinking as there is NO such evidence that it has ever happened.)

The complexity & mystery of the human mind is an evidence for the existence of God. How does your brain even work? Why do you have unique thoughts that you can't explain? Why are some people geniuses & others confused nitwits? Where do unique ideas come from? It can't be explained by dissecting the brain & labeling all of it's parts & functions.

Near death experiences of many people is an evidence for the existence of God. There are people who have died & come back to life with vivid stories of having been to heaven & to hell (research them & you will find many such claims). People like youself will deny they are real--but, they are evidence nevertheless. Your refusal to accept their real experiences doesn't mean they are lying--it just means you refuse to accept the truth, once again.
Here's a url to one story about a Harvard graduate Neurology MD's NDE:

There are of course other arguments for the existence of God (e.g.: rational, inductive, ontological, cosmological, subjective experiences, etc)--but, I won't go into any of them as you certainly can Google them for yourself if you are genuinely interested in learning.

re: "..there still is not no evidence that God does exist by outright evidence, so they just like you have to admit that they are possibly wrong.

You err. There is lots of evidence. Don't confuse your rejection of evidence with your false claim that evidence does not exist.

re: "There is no evidence that all life was created by God."

There is--you just erroneously reject it all.

re: "The I don't know is not a defence because there is no information for any sane and honest Person to arrive at any type of valid conclusion. The reality is that you don't know just as I don't know, the difference is that I'm not ignoring that that is so."

You err again. As I've already stated--there is plenty of evidence--YOUR refusal to accept any of it is YOUR unwise choice. Abundant evidence does exist--those who want to reject it will always deny it as either: A. it doesn't exist, or B. it isn't sufficient (when it truly is), or C. it isn't what it is--they pretend it is something else.

re: "There is no evidence that any living Human will be in a Kingdom of God because there may not even be one..."

There is evidence that heaven, hell, & eternal life exist (e.g. Biblical, anecdotal, God's existence, our existence, etc.)

re: "Of course Bible Bashers always go to the eternal damnation angle or do what you did since you are one of them."

It isn't Biblical bashing to remind you of the truth. You could die at any minute--it's imperative that you get a clue before that occurs. You referring to it as bashing is just evidence that you don't like/want to be reminded of the truth--so, you pretend others who remind/warn you of the truth are harming you--when in reality they are helping you to WAKE UP to be/do what is right & good in life--rather than continuing on in your state of confused self-deception that there is no evidence that God exists.

re: "There is no evidence at least so far of how exactly life originated on Earth, not by the creationists and not by those that support evolution.

Of course there is--see above--your denial of & refusal to accept the available evidence--does not mean it doesn't exist--it means you are ignorant/dishonest about its existence.

re: "Stop using the word cogent because it is indeed a ridiculous word."

It's a very valid word. You hate it because it requires you to provide clear, logical, and convincing evidence & reason for your beliefs & you can NOT do so, so you think defining it as 'ridiculous' will some how make it go away (which is childish behavior). You're trying to live in a fantasy whenever you try to deny the use of such a word.

re: "I will tell you one thing though, when I come across a sane, intelligent, honest, as well as honest with himself/herself, rational and informed Person then that Person will consider and accept whatever is so."

You have & I do accept things that are so/true--but, I don't accept what is defined by people like youself which are not so/untrue. You have no truths to offer--just baseless opinions--which is why you are so ineffectual.
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