Dialogue between christian man and muslim man!!!! (Page 3)

Talent_M
Talent_M: Jesus wasn't crucified and no one from christians even Disciples of Christ were attending that fact only the jews and said among people we killed the christ.
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john1576
john1576: Talent. And to support your statement about The Lord Jesus Christ, you would advise us to look where precisely?. Talent, I know your religion better than you think, the only reason I am polite is I would get banned if I spoke openly to you. Is this the Muslim claim that Jesus stood laughing at another man who was crucified in His place?
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Malone
Malone: Jesus merely fainted on the cross, recovered consciousness in the tomb and lived to see another day...
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Talent_M
Talent_M: John calm down, I havn't insulted Jesus(pbuh) at all,I havn't said that your god recovered consciousness in the tomb, man what do you mean by that you know about my religion, tell me then what do you think Islam claim of Jesus(pbuh)!??probably I don't know!!!!
man rather than you being angry,give me one proof that Jesus(pbuh) died crucified, to me I don't believe in anyone just the honest people and of course you agree with me that Disciples of Christ were honest people and nearest to him,so did they said that!!!???
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Talent_M
Talent_M: pls if you have time John watch these videos to know the Islam claim about Jeus(pbuh),these videos about debate between muslim and christian among mass of people, they are very ineresting and you can follow rest of parts on youtube:





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Spirit One
Spirit One: Talent is correct ,Jesus probably stood laughing at another man on the cross ,it is true that the real Messiah escaped crucifixion while another took his place , when they went to arrest the Messiah ,Yahoshua ,He wasn't home ,many of His followers were at His house ,one of them took the arrest warrant ,not knowing it would lead to his death . The real Messiah Yahoshua escaped crucifixion and traveled to many continents ,lived to be well over a hundred yrs of age at the time of His death . So ,you see ,Yahoshua the Messiah escaped death and Jesus probably laughed at the man who took Messiahs place on the cross ,if it was the Real son of the Creator on the cross ,he wouldn't have asked why His Father was forsaking Him and allowing Him to Suffer ,ah hell it's in scripture about the LIES ,I don't need to read it to those knowledgable of the scriptures [if you can believe the made up and corrupted New Testament scriptures
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john1576
john1576: Hi Talent. Hey am not angry, it is just that you made some really outlandish claims about Jesus not being crusified and the 'Jews' being the only people there. Am sorry if I came over that way.
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oh_good_laughs
oh_good_laughs: Satangel & Malone - You posted something similar to A.N. Wilson.. That it was the 'ever hating Paul of Tarsus' that created the form of Christianity we know and see today. He also understands the resurrection as a resuscitation. He even believes Jesus had to have known Paul personally.


But A.N. Wilson's idea, is unsupported. He has written something he enjoys believing, rather than something obtained from careful analysis. The same is true with Barbara Theiring's reconstruction (that Jesus drunk something that made him appear dead). All is using creative thinking, not historic probability.


Resuscitation's were documented very well in Jesus time, there is no 'fluke' in the matter, especially of a man of Jesus' caliber.
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john1576
john1576: This myth of Jesus being given a drug of some kind is probably based on an Assyrian practice of friends of an person condemned to execution slipping him an opium based drug just before execution. This was not intended to 'fool' the executioner, rather it was intended to lessen the pain of being roasted alive or flayed alive. The Roman Soldier probably had opium in the drink he offered Jesus just before execution. Jesus only tasted the drink, He never drank it.
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Spirit One
Spirit One: BULL$HIT ! PURE , UNADULTRIATED BULL$HIT !
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flashie
flashie: judas was hung in an apartment?
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Spirit One
Spirit One: sounds as believable as anyhing else said on here
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john1576
john1576: There are two accounts of the death of Judas. There is no Gospel record of him dieing twice. According to Mathew Judas actually repented and hanged himself. Luke on the other hand states in the first chapter of Acts that Judas died (suggesting suicide) after buying a field. Both Mathew and Luke mention a field, both mention suicide. The answer seems to be that both New Testament writers were referring to the same event, but describing it in different ways.
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flashie
flashie: i didnt know that was the bible version John.
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Spirit One
Spirit One: the Jesus story is the same way ,one says the ground shook and rocks slit as he gave up the ghost ,the other makes no note of anything happening ,one says he was nailed th a cross ,another says he was tied to a post ,and another says he was hung from a tree ,all bull$HIT ,Can't keep their lies straight ,they should have corroberated their stories for those of us who actually read ,you know ,it would make the 'stories' ,a little more believable
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Spirit One
Spirit One: Please notice that "man" needs no intercessor between himself and YHWH (Yahweh). No church, no priest, no patriarch, no government. Each man is to have a personal living relationship with his Father. As long as a man remains under the "covering" of no-one but YHWH (Yahweh), he is granted authority. Remaining under the covering of YHWH (Yahweh), simply means walking in obedience to Him and His Word, by faithfulness.


We see this principle illustrated in the life of our father Adam. YHWH (Yahweh) commanded him to "dress and keep the garden", or in other words, to take dominion over creation; to protect and serve it. He was given responsibility; therefore he was also given authority to administer the revealed Word of YHWH (Yahweh). As long as he remained obedient to YHWH (Yahweh) (under his covering), Adam’s authority was absolute and unlimited, because it was not his authority, but rather by being under YHWH (Yahweh)’s covering through obedience, YHWH (Yahweh)’s Word was Adam’s Word. Obedience could be said to grant one a sort of "Power of Attorney". Adam’s "sovereignty" was conditional to his obedience, his faithfulness to the High Sovereign, YHWH (Yahweh).

When Adam rebelled, or disobeyed, he lost authority. We can see this today. If we abide by natural laws we can do, or are given authority over, incredible things. If we should attempt to ignore those laws, our undertaking would most likely be a failure, or turn out quite different than we anticipated. In reality when we "violate" a natural law we don’t escape it, but rather activate another law of which we may or may not be aware. After Adam’s "fall" the remaining authority he possessed was limited to the areas in which he remained faithful to the divine edict.

Obedience, personal accountability, is the basis of self-government. YHWH (Yahweh)’s authority is the only real authority there is. He is the only one worth obeying. Submitting ourselves to "ordinances after the traditions of men" (e.g. covering our heads) will only lead to personal bondage and suffering. Self-government is only fully possible through observing the Life of Messiah, and by the illumination of the Spirit of YHWH (Yahweh). No amount of physical might could accomplish it, but when one of YHWH (Yahweh)’s children is empowered by the Life of Messiah they will express the "Kingdom (council) of heaven" on Earth.

The first thing Yahshua taught us was, "Repent for the Kingdom (council) of Heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17). When the Assembly - Ekklesia began to grow after Yahshua was resurrected, the first step, according to Peter, was, "Repent, and be baptized..." (Acts 2:38). Repentance, or personal accountability to the Word of YHWH (Yahweh), is the first step to fulfilling the Kingdom (council) of YHWH (Yahweh) within each of us. Without this foundational principle, the Kingdom (council) of YHWH (Yahweh) does not exist on any other level.

Personal Sovereignty, or each individual taking responsibility for their personal instruction, sustenance, and protection on all levels of both the internal and external worlds, is the Kingdom! As we grow into Sovereigns, we mature into "Sonship". When we become "Kings" over our own mind, and our actions, a result shown in our daily lives, we learn Sovereignty. When we exercise self-government according to the Word of YHWH (Yahweh), we enter into and experience the Kingdom (council- and Government) of YHWH (Yahweh). If we reject His Word, if we refuse to be governed by the principles of the Divine Edict, we refuse citizenship in the Kingdom (council) of YHWH (Yahweh).
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cheea
cheea: Can we agree that, in practice, followers of Jesus (supposed Christians) and followers of Mohammad (supposed Muslims) are more similar than dissimilar? And right now you need to unite on common terms, rather than divide on relatively trivial matters? Thank you; god bless you.
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