I wanna be atheist!!!!

Talent_M
Talent_M: If someone theist asked an atheist to leave his belief,although his belief in god is very strong and based on facts and evidences and already he is satisfied with its rules, so how the atheist would convince the theist?...pls let your debate be logic and scientific and free of craps.
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Heretix
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Talent_M
Talent_M: "Good topic, Talent, but a little bit irrelevant, I'd say, because most atheist couldn't care less about others' beliefs. Instead, it's theists that normally want to convert atheists and other theists..."

But I see most of people on religion forum are athiests,so if they don't care for thiests,so what is the point of their debates here !?
and why the athiest is afraid from the conversion,doesn't he have a mind to be aware against the thiest? on other word,if there is something true why should not accept it!??

true about right way of debate,but in same time what's your atractive points you should support your aim, you know everyone can say I'm right but how would you know who is the honest? of course throughout the evidence and logical and intellectual talk,free from the crap.

so if there was in front of you a thiest one and you want to start a debate with him about the god,so what's the essential point in your mind to focus on non existence of god,you know you have many people everyone of them has a belief,so we should be specific in our debate,let's suppose you are talking with a muslim, so how!!?
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Talent_M
Talent_M: mystic actually not all the religions have assumptions, if our faith based on theories means we are brainwashed or arrogant and never to debate,BTW also there is assumptions in science.
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Yahweh
Yahweh: no faith can be based on facts and evicence. A faith is based on assumptions, while facts and evicence belong to science. BULL$HIT!

Sorry ,science can't explain all ,besides ,the Greatest Scientist in the Universe is YAHWEH for without Your Father ,you wouldn't even have a litterate Idea in your head ,every thought out there has been thought by Your Creator before you ever thought or spoke it .
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Heretix
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Yahweh
Yahweh: 'ELYON' is the NAME of the One called the Holy Spirit ,She is Yahweh's Female entity and counterpart ,all that other sounds like Jewish propaganda designed to steer you far from Spiritual Truths that will give you REAL salvation.
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PowerDoll
PowerDoll: El Elyon translates as "God, the Most High". Abraham worships him in Genesis 14:22 and there is absolutely nothing feminine about this expression. The female counterpart of Yahweh was called Shakti, later Shekina ( "dwelling place" ). When she disappeared, evil entered the world. Along wth her, Yahweh also lost his wisdom and creativity; and his quest to find her is a crucial tenet in Kabbalism.
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Talent_M
Talent_M: okay keep on judo-christian-muslim religion,but I said if you came across with a Muslim,how would you disprove his faith, if you are debating a jew you would refer to torah and a christian you would refer to his bible and the muslim you would refer to his book the Quran and Sunna of prophet Mohammed (SAW), so how would be to the muslim?
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Yahweh
Yahweh: Power doll ,where the hell did you read that false and BLASPHEMOUS Bull$hit from ?
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PowerDoll
PowerDoll: I would be careful with the use of such unfriendly expressions. My opinion is just as valuable as yours, but I would never stoop down to your level and resort to name-calling.

Conduct a thorough background check on the two expressions and you'll find out their true origins just like I did. You may agree with it or not, but you can't deny the linguistic and theological development in Kabbalism.

Just because you claim a thing to be true doesn't mean that it really is...
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Yahweh
Yahweh: Didn't call you any NAMES as I can see ,I was referring to what you wrote ,and yes your oppinion is as valueble and valid as all others ,just wondering where you got that from ?
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Yahweh
Yahweh: If you are referring to the KABBAL ,offshoots of paganism and nothing more ,the same holds true for all ,just because they say it is true doesn't make it so ,give valid ,checkable references
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Mari_Blue
Mari_Blue: he Hebrew form (אל) appears in Latin letters in Standard Hebrew transcription as El and in Tiberian Hebrew transcription as ʾĒl.

El is a generic word for god that could be used for any god including Baal, Moloch, or Yahweh.

In the Tanakh, ’elōhîm is the normal word for a god or the great god (or gods). But the form ’ēl also appears, mostly in poetic passages and in the patriarchal narratives attributed to the P source according to the documentary hypothesis. It occurs 217 times in the Masoretic text: 73 times in the Psalms and 55 times in the Book of Job, and otherwise mostly in poetic passages or passages written in elevated prose. It occasionally appears with the definite article as hā’Ēl 'the God' (for example in 2 Samuel 22.31,33–48).

There are also places where ’ēl specifically refers to a foreign god as in Psalms 44.20;81.9 (Hebrew 44.21;81.10), in Deuteronomy 32.12 and in Malachi 2.11.

The theological position of the Tanakh is that the names Ēl and ’Ĕlōhîm, when used in the singular to mean the supreme and active 'God', refer to the same being as does the name, Yahweh. All three refer to the one supreme god who is the god of Israel, beside whom other gods are supposed to be either non-existent or insignificant. Whether this was a longstanding belief or a relatively new one has long been the subject of inconclusive scholarly debate about the prehistory of the sources of the Tanakh and about the prehistory of Israelite religion. In the P strand, YHVH says in Exodus 6.2–3:

I revealed myself to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob as Ēl Shaddāi, but was not known to them by my name, Yahweh.

This affirms the identity of Yahweh with either Ēl, in his aspect of Shaddāi, or with a god called Shaddāi. Also affirmed is that the name Yahweh is a more recent revelation. One scholarly position is that the identification of Yahweh with Ēl is late, that Yahweh was earlier thought of as only one of many gods, and not normally identified with Ēl. In some places, especially in Psalm 29, Yahweh is clearly envisioned as a storm god, something not true of Ēl so far as we know (though true of his son, Ba'al/Hadad). (Noted Parallel: El is derived from Sumerian Enlil, God of Wind) It is Yahweh who fights Leviathan in Isaiah 27.1; Psalm 74.14; Job 3.8 & 40.25/41.1, a deed attributed both to Ba’al/Hadad and ‘Anat in the Ugaritic texts, but not to Ēl. Such mythological motifs are variously seen as late survivals from a period when Yahweh held a place in theology comparable to that of Hadad at Ugarit; or as late henotheistic/monotheistic applications to Yahweh of deeds more commonly attributed to Hadad; or simply as examples of eclectic application of the same motifs and imagery to various different gods. Similarly, it is argued inconclusively whether Ēl Shaddāi, Ēl ‘Ôlām, Ēl ‘Elyôn, and so forth, were originally understood as separate divinities. Albrecht Alt presented his theories on the original differences of such gods in Der Gott der Väter in 1929. But others have argued that from patriarchal times these different names were indeed generally understood to refer to the same single great god, Ēl. This is the position of Frank Moore Cross (1973). What is certain is that the form ’ēl does appear in Israelite names from every period including the name Yiśrā’ēl ('Israel', meaning 'ēl strives' or 'struggled with él'.
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Yahweh
Yahweh: untrue ,it has been proven that the NAME YAHWEH was taken out of scripture by the Jews who were entrusted with the WORDS but decided to strip almost all traces of the NAME YAHWEH [which all the Prophets and Seer's used to call upon ] over 7000 times in the Old Testament alone ,the NAME YAHWEH is the KEY to alls Salvation ,it says many times over and over 'ASK IN MY 'NAME!'
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Zadkiel
Zadkiel: Very informative, Mari, I'm not easily impressed, but this is one of those rare occasions!

I just want to add that there were two important distinctions between El and Yahweh in the pre-Jewish tradition:

1 - The Canaanites worshiped El (in a number of variations), while the Hebrews, whereof the Israelites must be included, favoured Yahweh.

2 - Two scribal traditions in the Old Testament refer to El and Yahweh, respectively, because they stem from various parts of the old kingdom of Israel. In newer editions of the Bible, all expressions have simply been translated to "God".
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Yahweh
Yahweh: BIBLICAL NAMES RELATED TO YAHWEH - RIYAH [ Friend of Yahweh]

ISAMUYL [ Heard of Yahweh ]

EZRAYAH [ Yahweh Helps ]

NEHEMYAH [ Yahweh Has Consoled ]

SEPHER TEHELLIM LA - YAHWEH [The Book Of The Songs of Praise to Yahweh]

YESHAYAH [Salvation of Yahweh ]

YEREMIYAH [May Yahweh Lift Up ]

YECHETZQYAH [May Yahweh Strengthen]

YAHYL [ Yahweh Is Our Strength ]

AMOSYAH [Corroborated by Yahweh ]

OBADYAH [ Worshiper of Yahweh ]

YAHNAH [ Ornament of Yahweh ]

MICAHYAH [Who Is Like Yahweh ]

NACHUMYAH [ Consolation of Yahweh ]

ZEPHANYAH [ Protected By Yahweh ]

CHAGYAH [Feast of Yahweh ]

ZECHARYAH [Remembrance of Yahweh ]

MALAKYAH [ Messenger of Yahweh ]

MATTITHYAH [ Gift of Yahweh ]

YAHCHANAN MARK [ Yahchanan : Yahweh is Merciful - Markos : A Large Hammer]

YAHCHANAN BEN ZABDYAH [ Yahchanan : Yahweh is Merciful SON OF Zabdyah: Bestowed by Yahweh ]

These are the Names in their original form and meaning ,why do you suppose they were all referenced with Yahweh's Name if they never used the Names ?
My answer [Blame the Jewish scribes entrusted with the Words for removing His NAME and replacing it with 'familiar pagan titles ,simply to keep the secret of salvation to themselves and to keep the real power of prayer to themselves for their own GREED'

I'll give you the KEY since it is the Sabbath , 'ASK IN MY NAME!'

all the other titles are useless and call upon no one ,they have no power . [ My Bad ,some do call up Satan who is GOD of this World ]

Knowledge is power , seek and you shall find , Yahweh Bless all this Sabbath Day that the whole world may be unblinded of the fables and misconceptions they have been taught all their lives and grasp Spiritual Knowledge and truth .

*****HALLELUYAH - means 'PRAISE YAHWEH !'**************
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Yahweh
Yahweh: Mari-Blue you referenced Exodus 6: 2-3 but only printed 3
6:2 And Yahweh spoke to Mosheh ,and said to him : I AM YAHWEH.
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chronology
chronology: A long, and very detailed answer to an vital question.
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1calmstorm
1calmstorm: As an atheist, I find this thread very amusing... We who don't believe in a higher power (though some of us consider the possibility of more intelligent life forms in outer space) do so for many different reasons. I, for one, just don't believe. I think all gods are made up. All writings about gods are simply false. I don't care to change anyone's mind. I used to not believe, but tried, and called myself a christian. Now I dont believe and call myself a non-theist or atheist. I'm just true to myself.

Catchy thread line: I wanna be atheist!!!! A tricky funny lie, just another way to say "looky here". Very Funny
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Talent_M
Talent_M: why is it tricky funny lie?, don't you want to prove you are on the right way? at least to help another people if you have firm principle?
from your talk it shows as you have a weakness in pointing out.
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Napkin
Napkin: The funny part is that you chose such a title to your thread when you obviously are a firm believer with no intention to ever contemplating becoming an atheist yourself.

Well, at least you have managed to provoke a debate around it, which is always good and positive.

Another funny thing is that I never wanted to become an atheist (like snapping my fingers one day and declaring such a desire), but it happened as the result of a natural process, where the rational part of my brain eventually eleminated the possibility that there could exist a supernatural being that deserves to be worshiped and have such a dominant position in our life.
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1calmstorm
1calmstorm: Napkin said so much better what I was trying to say. It was sort of a process of elimination until nothing was left. Another thing is that I don't care if I'm right. I just am.
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minfuvckfvck_2nd
minfuvckfvck_2nd: lmao who f%z~^w care about u wanna be atheis or no

even if u wanna shoot ur head ,,,i dont f*%$x* care
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Talent_M
Talent_M: actually nothing funny only who has weak point,I mean someone wants be an athiest where is the problem? ah in case if you consider athiests are funny?.
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minfuvckfvck_2nd
minfuvckfvck_2nd: yeah cos he is f~$%~% dumb and lost
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