Islam and peace. (Page 3) engi_sony: Rena Maybe very good things 4 women in Quran....but why the Sharia law is not reflecting it? In thread,'Stoning to Death', a member ladynextdoor posted this- "if a woman is raped she can only prove it if 4 "men" witnessed the penetration..which would meen they all watched her get raped..only then would she be found innocent and excape stoning..." If this is true in Shari law....tell me how can you claim women are treated as queens? So, if I am in Islamic country and get raped in my room by one man, I can do nothing. If I tell someone, I become an adultress...stonned to death. If I have no 4 men around me all the time, he can rape me again and again... How helpless will a woman feel in that situation. think about it Rena.....who made this laws?....Mohammed? Dominating moslim men? Woman? If one is a pious moslim, it doesn't make one infidel or sinner...if one searches out for truth. snawani: First engi ur question to rana is of no sence. It is non sence question by nonsence people. All is for every body . And no four men are required as wittness. It is allah who has given such a beautiful law . U r trying to escape from reality. snawani: Sony if u will be raped by somebody in room .there are .100%chances And u will make noise and will run for escape and somebody will be ur wittness that were raped and chance is u will be save from being raped. That is why i call u r question nonsence. Faith & proof: No snawani engi is right she wants to know the truth, is it something forbidden? but first we should start with major things then we move to minor things. major things for muslims is beleiving in (Alaah)God and his messenger Mohammad (peace be upon him ) davidk14: . Swani, Tell Rena what would happen to her if "she decided" she no longer wanted to be a Muslim and wanted to convert to Christianity or another religion. Be honest now, tell her the truth. . snawani: Mr david . Listion. If todays time. Any muslim want convert to other religion. In islamic state with no sharia law nothing can be done to him. But in islamic state with islamic law ,islamic rules has to be fallowed for his conversion. But it not written in quran or headth to stone him death we can't go for that . If allahs rule is there we will fallow that . As per my knowledge he will himself left the state to practise religion. I will ask to ullamas what is rule for that. And for ur kind information don't try to be politatian here . I come to know how true u r. davidk14: . Swani, You thinking is so backward that you can't even comprehend who I am so don't even try. However, I will tell you one thing about me is I believe in the following: When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. . CandyRivers: Quick question? When women get stoned/lashes for adultery - what is the punishment for the man? snawani: David ,i have nothing to do with ur personality. When ever i ask u to tell truth u run away. So what i saw i got conclusion. Nothing bakward ness is there. The_Boot: When a Muslim says 'Muslims/Islam seeks peace', he does not mean what non Muslims conceive 'peace' to be, ie – a cessation of war or something of the like. To Muslims, true 'peace' is only realized when the entire world is dominated and ruled by Muslims in the name of Islam. To infidels, it's a worldwide religious dictatorship (i.e. a 'Caliphate' ), but to Muslims, it's 'peace'. See the sort of topsy-turvy world that Muslims have to live in? Islam is also bereft of the 'the Golden Rule' The_Boot: '.....makes complete sense. Also lying is accepted when dealing with us disbelievers ' Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences." There are two forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, taqiyya and kitman*. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them. *Taqiyya - Saying something that isn't true. *Kitman - Lying by omission. An example would be when Muslim apologists quote only a fragment of verse 5:32 (that if anyone kills "it shall be as if he had killed all mankind" ) while neglecting to mention that the rest of the verse (and the next) mandate murder in undefined cases of "corruption" and "mischief." mohammad1,2hate4all: all religion is a lie, so the believers of religion are brainwashed by lies and therefore accept lying as a way of getting their point across. snawani: Those who think religiön is lie' are lier in there life. Blind man can't see. And bat alway say day never comes becoz he can't see sun. Islam is as more bright as sun. IamEggman: Snawani, In what way is Boot lying? Calling a person a lier is one thing, disproving them is another. SPIRIT-ONE: Nobody is a lier ,many are misinformed ,some are being duped by their perspective clergy as to the spiritual truths being with held from them , those who believe in nothing can expect what they believe in when the final cleansing comes , the last reconfiguration of the '7' tectonic plates . watch the post apocaliptic movies that are being made ,some are a premonition of things to come for the unbelievers , worshipers of Lords and Gods , Pagans , Infidels and Userpers and worshipers of Idols ,Graven Images alike . All religion aside ,if you aren't calling upon your Heavenly Father 'Yahweh' , by His Poetic ,Universal [meant to be pronounced the same in all tongues] NAME ,you will be damned to a spiritual grave in oblivion . Your essense scattered so far across the cosmos ,to simply put it ,there will be no more YOU , FYI : Muslims , YAH-ALLAH is all good YAH is the shortened poetic version of Our Father's NAME | Religion Chat Room 8 People Chatting Similar Conversations |