Islam and peace. (Page 5)

davidk14: .

So sorry for the detour. I’m sure you have read all 10 pages to this thread. Any comments on the topic and past posts? Looking forward to your thoughts.

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Trixtress: David, I wasn't thinking of you in particular. I know from personal experience that it is easy to let oneself be provoked by Eliyah/Spirit One etc. when he tackles the man instead of the ball.

If you take the time to leaf through former threads/posts, you will see that I have contributed much in the past. But the topics seem to return after a while, when new members bring them up again. I have been here for a couple of years now and already participated in at least one round of Ten Commandments, Islamic Extremism, Creationism, Yahwehism and How Women Are Treated In Islam, to name a few of the most frequent themes.

Although I rarely post aymore, I follow the debates with half an eye just to keep up with the development in case something of extreme intrest should pop up, but that rarely happens.

I would recommend that newbees take their time to check out old threads and add to them if they find them interesting, instead of starting from scratch with the same opinions. In that way, maybe some of us "semi-retired" members will wake up from our hibernation and rekindle our long departed enthusiasm...

davidk14: .

Trix,

I understand and agree. I sometimes tend to get caught up as well. What name did you go by last?

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Trixtress: I am probably one of very few long-time Wireclub members that have kept their original username all the time and never "reincarnated".

SPIRIT-ONE: crissy ,he asked if I had been dropped on my head ,he knows nothing of me ,but obviously you know him in life , I have stated where I get my info from many times ,many times over the last 2 yrs ,you must be really new as well as David so I'll forgive your lack of knowledge of my sources May Yahweh Bless your understanding of all things Spiritual in nature.

snawani: David told truth man are created equal by creater with equal rights. I ask him who is creater of universe. I am happy too see shari court there. Why u have problem with it .

IamEggman: Snawani,
Of course you would be happy to see sharia law introduced, you are muslim (though i understand not all muslims who live in the west agree on this) the point others are trying to make is that sharia law does not apply to no muslims.

The_Boot: Its all well and good if u want to live by certain rules and regulations within ur group (Islam)..thats fine. I just have a problem when those same rules are enforced outside of that group, and applied to people who dont care much for, or believe in ur religion. Thats when its wrong.

CandyRivers: yes - that is the problem. Pluys the fact you get so butthurt about the fact that other people have other opinions. And you feel that your religion is above critiscism.

SPIRIT-ONE: the point others are trying to make is that sharia law does not apply to no muslims.


No , but they would like it to be imposed on all ,I'm sure there are barbaric laws for us Infidels written in the sharia

snawani: Sorry guys u are unable to take reality. Is there any problem in saudi arabia .

SPIRIT-ONE: haven't been there since 1980 so I wouldn't rightly know ,except to say ,we have our own corrupt laws Corporate America tries to force us to live by , America is run by the The Justice Corporation [or they would like to think so .
My Heavenly Father ,Maker ,and Creator YAH-ALLAH [Yahweh-God] created me as a Sovereign Free Sentient being at birth ,endowed by certain unalienable 'rights', one of those inherent rights is the right to choose whatever belief I feel free to ,another is the right to be led by society or by My Fathers Laws [which are simple but not oppressive] , the right to raise and teach my children as I see fit ,teach them my ideals and traditions ,but at the same time ,let them make their own choice . Also the privilege to teach them the glorious *Message* of Yahweh's New Kingdom Paradise . But ,alas ,Yahweh's New Kingdom Message is not new ,but as old as time itself .

Adam called upon His Heavenly Father Yahweh in 4003 B.C.

Chrissy_Anne: Your reference to 4003 BC is actually 4004 BC. The date originated from Bishop James Ussher *******656) used biblical chronology to arrive at the date and time of creation = early morning of October 23, 4004 BC.
Which we know today is completely false. You have no written record or archaeological evidence to support you comment.

davidk14: .

Eli never has any evidence. He only supports his own beliefs which most people do not support.

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Chrissy_Anne: Other interesting FACTS for you:

The god "El" was head of the Canaanite Pantheon of gods. His name is used quite frequently in the Bible =

El: This Canaanite god was combined with other words to constitute a compound term of deity, or to identify the nature and function of the “god” in some manner. el = God, eloah = singular of el (see Book of Job), elohim = plural. el Shaddai = God Almighty (Akkadian word = sadu = mountain), el elyon = God Most High (see Gen. 14:18-20, 22), el Olam = the Everlasting God, el-roi = God the seeing, El-Elohe-Israel = El the God of Israel (see Gen. 33:20), El-berith = God of the Covenant (in Judges 9:46 refers to Yahweh, for this deity seems to be the same as Baal-berith in Judges 8:33, 9:4, and may be a Canaanite god). Cities in ancient Israel used el as well. Example: el-bethel = god of Bethel.

Older Canaanite Origins in the Bible: Gen. 49, Jud 5, 2 Sam 22 (equals Psalm 18), 2 Sam 1-7, Psalms 29 and 68, Ex 15:11, Isaiah 19:18.

Easter: Latin = Eastra/Estar, Greek = Ostern. Easter is celebrated on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the Vernal Equinox. This celebration had its origins with Goddess Astarte, the main Phoenician goddess during the Iron Age (1200 – 1000 BCE) – the name of the goddess and her festival.

Eating Children in the Bible: This was practiced in times of famine and siege when food supplies ran out. See 2 Kings 6:*******9), Lam. 2:20 and 4:10, Jer. 19:9, Lev. 26:29, Deut. 28:53, Ezek. 5:10.

Child Sacrifice: See Jer.2:23, 7:31-32, 19:4, 19:5, 2 Kings 16:2-3.

3 Errors: Lev. 11:6: the hare does not chew its own cud; Lev. 11:20-23: insects have 6 legs, not four; Lev. 11:5: the rock badger does not chew its cud.

Syncretism: The union of religious phenomenon from two historically separate systems or cultures, remains a standard way of characterization, Israelite interest in deities other than Yahweh, and deemphasizes the importance of Israelite worship of other deities and practices forbidden in the Bible.

Chrissy_Anne: My point ELIYAH is that statements you make as absolutes hold no credence if you can not support them with the appropriate documentation or archaeological data

davidk14: Chrissy...wow.

Chrissy_Anne: My second area of study at university was Biblical Archaeology and ancient cultures and religions of the Ancient Near East Thanks David !!!

Chrissy_Anne: David, read the books and articles of Dr. William G. Dever, past Head of the Department of Near Eastern Studies, University of Arizona, Tucson, Arizona. He and his wife Pamela have been close friends of mine for several years. Dr. Dever is no doubt the one of world's greatest authorities on the Anthropology and Archaeology of the Ancient Near East, especially Biblical Archaeology, better know today as Syro-Palestinian Archaeology.

Chrissy_Anne: John Day and his book "The History of God" is another good academic source and discusses the Canaanite/Israelite connection. Susan Ackerman of Dartmouth College is another good academic "Under Every Green Tree - the popular religion of Israel in the 8th Century" is another good one.

Keep in mind that "writing" came late to Israel, 8th century BC. The earlier material in the Bible was Canaanite material "re-worked" and used in the Hebrew Bible. The "proverbs" were fashioned after Egyptian Wisdom Literature, etc. And you know about the "Documentary Hypothesis" which I believe you mentioned earlier which has been main-stream academics for over 70 years.

Chrissy_Anne: Leonard Woolley did many excavations in the ANE, and at that time he found layers of wet silt and used that evidence for Noah's flood. However, we know today that flooding of localized areas was quite common in the ANE going back 1,000's of years. His evidence was soon discarded.

SPIRIT-ONE: that 4003 B.C. 'I QUOTED' is right out of a BIBLE in the OPENING FOOTNOTES ,but one has to have a REAL Bible and not just the New Testament of Jesus Christ [which has been proven false and erronous except to Christians ,Jews and Muslims .

Chrissy_Anne: I'm talking about the New Testament lad, the Hebrew Bible, i.e., Old Testament. You are not listening and considering the facts. The writers of the Old Testament only wrote what they knew at the time. There are several writers of the OT, and then a "redactor" who put it all together in the 6th Cent BC. This is PROVEN academics, mainstream archaeology, Biblical scholars, anthropology, and many more. The OT testament was written for a people over 2,000 years ago, in a language that has been dead for 2,000 years. The Bible is not a history book, but a collection of teaching stories, creation myths taken from other ANE sources and adapted, songs, proverbs fashioned after Egyptian Wisdom literature, etc. The gods Baal, Asherah, Mot, El, etc. were the gods of the Canaanites. There is a passage in Deut. that states El gave his lower gods a portion of the earth, Yahweh to the people of Israel, which indicates that Yahweh was originally a combination of several different deity concepts finally established as Yahweh.

You need to study more and stop making "blind" statements based on NO foundation or evidence.

Chrissy_Anne: ALL OF MY RESPONSES HERE ARE ABOUT THE OLD TESTAMENT. Clarification.