The absolute Truth"Mohammed" mentioned in the Torah and the Bible! (Page 2) Rena787: I congratulate you on your high level of respect (( a man con do no more than he can )) we didn't ask u to tell us what do you think of these two videos we said prove it's not correct, meaning, u say the video says that ....etc and u say this is not true, then prove why it's not true.this is the topic   davidk14: . My previous posts were, let’s just say courteous. You are pushing for a one sided answer regarding a non-scientific and un-provable concept called religion, specifically Islam. Considering the country you come from is one of the largest human rights violators in the world, your question is pathetic. The fact is, religion of any type is based on faith. If this planet did not ever exist, would Islam or any religion exist for that matter? No, of course not. So don’t go all snoopy dance and consider your question proof that no one can disprove Islamic teachings. It would be like asking you to prove the Quran isn’t the ultimate terrorist manifesto written by Mohammed, spiritually and physically supporting a jihad against non-believers currently supported and financially funded by jihadists from Saudi Arabia as wel as other Islamic countries. Prove this statement wrong. Religion, any religion, as I have stated before, is a non-scientific and un-provable concept and is based only on faith of the individual. Disproving the faith of any religion is impossible. The Islamic propaganda that you are trying to trick people into believing as historically and scientifically factual proof is disingenuous, insincere and deceitful. You are disproving your own religion just fine. .  franklin1950: like the depth of a puddle the depth of a thought is difficult to disern. to blindly accept anothers thoughts is like testing the depth of a muddy puddle with both feet . i in my amorphous bubble. you all in yours . snawani: Mr david u r amoung sumun bukmun imuyun. U say u believe in God , do n't say which God. Is it allah. Or any other like sun ,moön or other. If u believe in allah then u must read quran. Science is becoz of human mind . But quran is sign not science. Scientific evidences are wrong sometime ,but people beleave that. After finding people shun that out. But quran was never wrong. U say religion is faith .ya it is my faith . But true faith imagine who first told u who was u borned . It is allah by quran. It u die now one know u. Ur faith dies u will get answer. franklin1950: bubbles are such fragile things . thoughts like puddles can be dark places clouded by impurites. davidk14: . Swani said: Mr david u r amoung sumun bukmun imuyun. U say u believe in God , do n't say which God. Is it allah. Or any other like sun ,moön or other. If u believe in allah then u must read quran. Science is becoz of human mind . But quran is sign not science. Scientific evidences are wrong sometime ,but people beleave that. After finding people shun that out. But quran was never wrong. U say religion is faith .ya it is my faith . But true faith imagine who first told u who was u borned . It is allah by quran. It u die now one know u. Ur faith dies u will get answer David said: You need to type in English better. What does “sumun bukmun imuyun” mean? You ask if I believe in God, that must mean Allah then I must read Quran. I don’t believe that God, the creator of the universe, is your Allah. Your Allah is not merciful or just. I do not believe that who you call Mohammad was a prophet. The Quran was written by man and therefore it is far from perfect yet you say it is never wrong. That doesn’t make any sense. And when I die, I will return to the star material that I came from…nothing more, nothing less. And truly, your English must improve. A suggestion…Type your comments in a Word document and use spell check. You can even use a translating program if there are some English words you do not know. Then copy and paste into the "Post New Message". Miscommunications have been a big part of problems in history. It is strange though that in the other thread, your english is rather good. How is this possible? .  Faith & proof: i knew it u can't prove what u said about these videos, You roll and spin around faith but faith isn't our discussion. let me quote the following form Rena's post : u say the video says that ....etc ( u write exactly what the video said ) and u say this is not true, then prove why it's not true. davidk14: Faith, You're just an idiot. You obviously don't understand that you can not prove or disprove faith. And that, is a fact. Since Islam is not a fact therefore it can not be proved or disproved. Got it? Rena787: Faith is right, david how many times do we have to repeat this u say the video says that ( write exactly what the video said ) then say this is not true, and prove why it's not true. IamEggman try to help david  engi_sony: David & Eggman: Why are you two not ready to 'just' explore the possibility that there may be a mention of Muhammad in Bible? David, you said you are not religious but spiritual...so why not explore it? How it hurts ? davidk14: . I see a bigger picture than you. Let me try to explain. We know as fact that the closest star to the sun is Proxima Centauri. It is about 4 light years from earth. Astronomers can measure parallax by measuring the position of a nearby star very carefully with respect to more distant stars behind it, then measuring those positions again six months later when the Earth is on the opposite side of its orbit. If the star is close enough to us, a measurable parallax will be seen: the position of the star relative to the more distant background stars will have shifted. The shift is tiny - less than an arcsecond even for the nearest star. (An arcsecond is 1/60 of an arcminute, which is 1/60 of a degree.) (Imagine the Universe has more information on calculating parallax.) So we know as scientific fact using proven factual calculations that Proxima Centauri is 4 light years away. If you have any question about what I’ve just typed, you can easily verify. Now, read the following real slow so there is no misunderstanding: If the earth did not exist, would Islam exist? Would any religion exist? Obviously, no they wouldn’t. Why? Because all you know about Islam or any religion for that matter is what is written in the Quran or other religous writings. If the earth doesn’t exist, the Quran doesn’t exist. No books exist. If the Quran doesn’t exist…Islam doesn’t exist. So how can you completely believe in a book, the Quran, as Allah’s word…if the book doesn’t exist if the planet never existed? However…if the earth never existed…what hasn’t changed…the distance from the sun to Proxima Centauri is still 4 light years away. So, it just doesn't matter what is written. You don't need a book to live a peaceful life, love your family and be good to your neighbors. So please, your attempt to convert, convince, brainwash or whatever you want to call it regarding Islam, I and some of the other intelligent folks that read this and other threads just like this thread, it just makes you folks, honestly, look foolish. .  IamEggman: Rena, David doesnt need my help. He is more than capable of explaining his objections or disagreements with the claim that those videos provide 'Absolute Truth'. You, and others, seem to be missing the point, david and myself are trying to explain that religion requires faith. Takes faith away from it and you are left with nothing. Faith is needed because you, and all other religions, have no proof of the claims they make. davidk14: And you said it in just a few sentences. I just gotta get a few more hours of sleep a night and perhaps improve my communication skills. Peace! snawani: Mr david i am gud as far as my english is considered. But we in few parts of asia use broken spell. U told me quran is written by man him self but u r wrong . Read it. Al quran the main source of the islamic faith , is a book believed by muslims, to be of completely divine origin. Muslims also believe that it contains guidance for all mankind. Since the message of the quran is believed to be for all times it should be relevent to every age. U a first fool say that quran make no sense. But nön muslims agree that quran is arabic literature par excellence. Now quran challenge u if it is man written then u as a man should also bring same verse as of quran. Quran says And if ye are in doubt as to what we have revealed from time to time to our servant the produce surah like thereunto. and your witnesses or helpers besides allah . If ur doubts are true." but if ye cannot _ and of surety you cannot_ then fear the fire whose fuel is men and stones _ which is prepared for those who reject faith. Alquran 2.23-24 . A modern rational man however , would never accept a religious scripture which says, in the best possible poetic language ,that world is flat . This is because we live in an age , where human reasön , logic and science are given primacy. Not many would accept the quran's extraordinarily beautiful language , as proof of its divine origin . Any scripture claiming to be a divine revelation must be acceptable on the strength of its own reason and logic. According to famous physicist and nobel prize winner einstein. "science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind. Let us therefore study the quran and analyze whether quran and modern science are compatible or incompatible. There are more than six thousand signs in the quran of which more than a thousand deal with science. If u don't accept truth after going through ayat "signs. Then quran says u are sumun means Deaf, bukmun means dumb, and umuyun means blind , and they will not return to the path. Ok david understand and i think u better understand . And why u run away from original discussion. Prove ur claim. davidk14: . Swani, You choose to believe what you choose to believe. You want to believe the Quran, thats your choice. My choice is not to believe in man made religion, especially Islam. There is nothing you can quote from the Quran, there is no video that you can produce, or any other religions ideas for that matter, that will change my mind. If you did not want to discuss or understand my last post, then you chose not to. It's that simple. . snawani: Mr david a u r fool in ur mind. Wat r u saying earth ,moon sun was created for man by allah. If allah has not created earth ,the no moon no sun there and ur imaginatiön also have vanished. Sun and moon where created for us and they fallow each other in a manner as ordered by allah to them. In other words they r our servents. Quran says it is he who created the night and day, and the sun and moon. All the celestial bodies, swim along ,each in its rounded course. 21:33. It is not permitted to sun to catch up the moon, nor can the night outstrip the day. Each just swim along in its own orbit . (accoding to law) 36:40. Mr david u says u will form star do u know about star formation. Wat rubish u says is it possible for a man to go and become star on its own. Man is formed from soil and after death it decay back to soil. U must know that. Give proof which man has become star back . And man is born from father and mother , not from star. davidk14: Swani, I'm very sorry Swani. It's not your fault that you have a very limited understanding regarding the universe. To explain the concept of star material and all that it means is way to complicated for you. To explain the origins of our planet are also way out of your league. You are happy believing in the Quran. So just be happy in your life. Perhaps you should find the videos from the History Channel called "How the Earth Was Made". It's a basic understanding how the universe works and how the earth was made. Perhaps then you might just understand how simple minded religion actually is. Don't forget...the Quran like the new and old testiments were written when the population of the earth thought the world was flat and that the earth revolve around the sun. I'm sure you would enjoy this video series. . . IamEggman: Snawani, I dont think david was saying humans become stars or stars become human. He was saying humans and stars share chemical similarities, and when we die these chemicals are released back into the universe and recycled. it isnt that difficult to understand. snawani: Mr again u r saying wrong words. And again wrong . See my knowledge. And then u must prove after ur death u will form star. Astronomy the study of star . Mr i am science student and biotechnology my subject. The creation of the universe is explained by astro physicists in a widely accepted phenomenon, popularly known as big bang . It is supported by observational and expermental data gathered by astronomers . And astro physicists for decades .according to big bang the whole was initially one big mass primary nebula. Then there was a big bang . Secondary sepration which resulted in the formation of galaxies. These then divided to for star ,planets the sun, the moon, etc. The origin of universe was unique and the probability of it occuring by chance is zero . The quran says regarding origin of the univese. Do not the unbelievers see that the heaven and the earth were joined together ( as one unit of creation , before we clove them asunder . Alquran. 21:30. The striking congruence between the quranic verse and the big bang is inescapable! How could a book , whch first appeared in deserts of arabia 1400 year ago , contain this profound scientific truth? Scientists say that before the galaxies in the universe were formed, celestial matter was initially in the form of gaseous matter . In short , huge gaseous matter or cloud were present before the formation of gakaxies . To describe initial celestial matter , the word smoke is more appropriate than gas. Quran says " moreover , he comprehended in his design the sky, and it had been as smoke: he said to it and to the earth: come ye together , willingly or unwillingly. They said:' we do come together in willing obedience. Al quran 41:11. Again , this fact is a corollary to the big bang and was not known to the arabs during the time of prophet muhammad . What then, could have been the source of this knowledge. Now uncle david ans of ur question. In early time people believed that the earth is flat. For centuries , men were afraid to venture out too far, lest they should fall off the edge. Sir fancis drake was first person who proved that the earth is spherical when he sailed around it in 1597. The earth is not exactly round like ball, but geo sherical ie it is flattened at pole . See wat quran say regarding earth shape "and the earth ,moreover, hath he made egg shaped" . The arabic word for egg here is Dahaha. Which means ostrich egg . The shape of an ostrich egg resembles the geo sherical shape of earth. Mr david i think u got the answer . In the same way i can explain u sun rotation , the light of the moon is reflected light. And biology. Every thing is made of water, every thing made in pairs zoolgy , bird flight physiolngy ,embryology. Man creation from our quran. | Religion Chat Room 14 People Chatting Similar Conversations |