The absolute Truth"Mohammed" mentioned in the Torah and the Bible! (Page 3)

engi_sony: David:
So please, your attempt to convert, convince, brainwash or whatever you want to call it regarding Islam, I and some of the other intelligent folks that read this and other threads just like this thread, it just makes you folks, honestly, look foolish.

....I dunno whom you've addressed with this...I make my stand clear...I am not aligned to any religion...I can safely say...that I am sitting on the fence or a spiritually-inquisitive person. If I post or ask something, it is for discussion or understanding...nothing else.

As for the total picture ...I have a different view.....

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We know as fact that the closest star to the sun is Proxima Centauri. It is about 4 light years from earth.

...Birth and death of stars is a common event in COSMOS. So 'till' a new star is not born which is closer than P.Centuari to SUN...it is assumed FACT.

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If the earth did not exist, would Islam exist? Would any religion exist? Obviously, no they wouldn’t.
Why?
Because all you know about Islam or any religion for that matter is what is written in the Quran or other religous writings. If the earth doesn’t exist, the Quran doesn’t exist. No books exist.
If the Quran doesn’t exist…Islam doesn’t exist.
So how can you completely believe in a book, the Quran, as Allah’s word…if the book doesn’t exist if the planet never existed?

....In a way, it is true. But then, how it helps? If earth didn't exist, we won't be there..trying to seek the truth of our existence on this planet. You and me won't be here discussing anything.. But, fact is earth exists...you and me exist and our mind keeps thinking...so we have all these questions...Books/Religions are just means/legacy to get an insight on what human ancestors thought and believed on metaphysical subject.
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However…if the earth never existed…what hasn’t changed…the distance from the sun to Proxima Centauri is still 4 light years away.

....No it may not be so....one scenario...imagine a real big meteor passes very close to P. Centauri...it may affect the gravity balance of that star and calulations may change.
Second scenario....as per scientists...universe is expanding...meaning all these celestial bodies [stars/galxies...etc] are drifting away from each other...

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So, it just doesn't matter what is written. You don't need a book to live a peaceful life, love your family and be good to your neighbors.

...yes I agree on that...no book needed 4 good life or conduct.

davidk14: Good posts. Enjoyed reading them. And I apologized to Swani for inaccurately assuming a lack of knowledge of the cosmos.

Faith & proof: IamEggman

we didn't miss the point, but u want to change it

Rena787: IamEggman

it is our right to ask david to prove that both videos are full of craps


and both of u say that religion requires faith .

i promise we will discuss this issue in another thread, but why he keeps escaping from proving what he said .

davidk14: I have answered your question and I have been very clear in my posts regarding Islam and written religions in general which of course includes your propaganda video's. If you choose not to accept my answer and point of view, that is your choice.

snawani: Ab aya auoot pahad ka necha. Means now camel come under moutain.mr David propaganda is clear u can read those book after that we will explain u. Now u might have got answere.

hewhay: your book is no different than the Bible or Torah ,same stories ,just the names and language changed to cause confusion to the masses and cause hate and discontent along the way

Rena787: if u answered me, i wouldn't ask u over n over to prove ur saying

ok now i'm not going to ask again, coz escaping is like a prove to me

The_Boot: 'The arabic word for egg here is Dahaha. Which means ostrich egg '

That is a decietful lie and im sure u know that already! Dahaha doesnt mean egg! Its not as simple as that! Further proof the outrageous, unabashed lies theists tell in order to protect their religion.

My explanation as follows:

Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, are two names for the egg of the ostrich. The verb Da'ha (Ydahoo: present tense) is not derived from Udhi'ya or Udhu'wa, because names are derived from the "verb of origin" (fi'l al masdar), and the verb of origin is not derived from a name. The verb of origin is "dahawa" from which the verb "da'ha" and "yadhoo" are derived, and so is the name of the noun denoting the egg. The verb "da'aha" does not mean "kaw'wara" (made round) or made something in the shape of an egg, whether it is an ostrich egg or a chicken's egg. As a matter of fact, the verb "da'ha" means the complete opposite to the concept of the roundness. Here is what "Al-munjid fil'lugha wal'alam" has to say:

* "da'ha da'hwan ... God `da'ha' earth that is `basataha'."
And that is exactly what Al-Jalalayn has said.
* "da'ha idhiwa'an: `inbisatan'." (that is: flattening)
* "al-udh'y, al-idhi'y, al-udhu'wa, al-udhi'ya: The egg of the ostrich in the sand."

We must pay attention to what Al-Munjid is saying here: "The egg of the ostrich ‘in the sand’" and the following is the reason for this expression:

When the female ostrich fears a danger threatening her egg, she immediately digs into the sand to hide the egg, then "tadhoo" (flattens) the earth above it, so that it would not be seen by the vultures of the air who are always in search of such a delicacy for their next meal. Therefore, the word "al-udhu'wa" is used as a name of the ostrich egg since it is something (with the sand) flattened (over it). That is where the name came from. The Arabic dictionary never states that the verb "da'ha" means "made round" or "made in the shape of the egg of an ostrich".

Not only this, but on numerous occasions the Koran refers to the Earth as being 'spread', 'spread out', i find this strange as its not very often that the verb 'spread' is used when refering to an object, spherical in nature.

There is no original science in the Koran.

All hail Lord Xenu!

davidk14: .


From Rena: if u answered me, i wouldn't ask u over n over to prove ur saying…ok now i'm not going to ask again, coz escaping is like a prove to me

From David: Since you don’t like the answers I have given you, you consider it proof of “escaping”.

That’s the whole problem with religion in general and specifically Islam. You post many passages which if you believe in Islam are just great and wonderful But if you do not accept Islam, you are considered an infidel.

Now, let me be very clear…I AM A DISBELIEVER 'AND' A INFIDEL. I do not believe in your Quran nor in Mohammad.

Now, since I have admitted that I am a disbeliever and a infidel, the Quran has condemned me to death. And, to top it all off, I am a Jew. So now, I am a double screwed!!!



"The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah's enemy."
--Qur'an:8:59


"Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."
--Qur'an:9:5


"I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
--Qur'an:8:12


"Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."
--Qur'an:9:29


"And kill them wherever you find and catch them. Drive them out from where they have turned you out; for Al-Fitnah (polytheism, disbelief, oppression) is worse than slaughter."
--Qur'an 2:191


"Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends."
--Qur'an 5:51


"O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness"
--Qur'an 9:123


"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"
--Qur'an 5:33


Since I am a disbeliever, I can be considered…”waging war against Allah and His Messenger”. So all of you disbelievers out there, especially if you are a Jew, keep your eyes wide open and be vigilant.



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engi_sony: Rena:
Did your prophet Mohammed marry a 6 year old girl aisha? And had szy with her when she was 9 and he was 55?

The_Boot: 'Now, since I have admitted that I am a disbeliever and a infidel, the Quran has condemned me to death. And, to top it all off, I am a Jew. So now, I am a double screwed!!!'

Double Jeopardy!!!

'Did your prophet Mohammed marry a 6 year old girl aisha? And had sx^ with her when she was 9 and he was 55? '

Whats wrong with that?!? Everyone was doing that back then!

snawani: Whome u refered is wholly wrong . One who does not know arabic language or quranic language can't explain any thing . In other to save him self he will lie and try to manuplate truth. No doubt quran is not science but it is book of signs means ayat. Mr don't lie before me. I can explain u as many as many thing .

snawani: Yes Have u any problem with that . All jews will be killed by imami mehdi and jesus. No place or thing will escape u . U will be killed according to orders of allah. After that peace will come to world.

IamEggman: Snawani,
If i believed in religion of course i would have a problem with your god committing genocide. Apparently you are ok with it. Do you think it is fair that everyone who doesnt believe in what you do deserves to die?
Seems rather petulant.

davidk14: Swani,
Thank you for speaking the truth. Islam has genocidal tendencies not only for the Jews, but for all who do not accept Mohammad or Allah. All that love and peace is just a load f crap...just as I have said all along. Thank you for clearing that up.


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snawani: Oh rubish on u. Wat u understand it is jesus christ who will fight against jews and muslism will fallow him. He will tell u truth that he was not son of god but was prophit as mohmmad (saw). And jews will wage war against him and he will give call for jehad and due his call muslims all over world will fallow him. Genocidism is not in islam but it is in jews as they carry hypocracy . Jew will come for fight ist. Wat i am saying is written in hadiath and will take centuries to occur. Jesus will kill leader of jews called dajaal. Mr david think in ur mind why jews try to crusify jesus.

davidk14: .

Swani,
You are bouncing all of the place. Your argument just doesn't make any sense. American, the bastion of freedom and liberty, is based on Jedio-Christian “principles”. That is one of the reasons radical Islam hates the United States. Many radical Muslims even want to install Shari Law in the US to supersede the laws of the land guaranteed by the Constitution. Just ain’t gonna happen. They will try, but it ain’t gonna happen.

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snawani: Afraid ,afraid ,afraid of islam . Why becoz truely u r runing away from truth. Mr david ur argument has no sense. U run from one point to other. Becoz u r afraid . U understand it try to run away from truth . Ie why i call u sumun ,bukmun amuyun. Meaning written last posts. Who many times u will ran away from truth. Oh allah

Talent_M: "Did your prophet Mohammed marry a 6 year old girl aisha? And had sy~ with her when she was 9 and he was 55? "

Very interest post, have a look pls to know how you are ignorant:

http://www.wireclub.com/Blogs/Talent_M/138259

The_Boot: 'They have ignored the fact that such marriage in such age in such era was a natural matter'

urmm, first paragraph in and ive already found something wrong with ur justification.

just because something was accepted culturally in a past age doesnt make it morally ok. Would it be ok to go to eBay today and purchase some Africans to use as slaves? Using ur logic it would be fine to do this, as owning African slaves was a common practice and a cultural norm in a previous era in the US.

You hold up ur prophet as the ultimate authority on morality, even going so far as to claim he is an example to live by, but to excuse him from having s%^ with children because it was a 'different time' is delusional.

This matter also raises other questions.

Wouldnt an all perfect god know it was wrong to have swx with children? And wouldnt that same god know eventually that mankind would learn that it is wrong for many reasons beyond the moral argument, and then passed this information on to his prophet?! Wouldnt this omnipotent all knowing
god create a timeless moral code?
Im pretty certain that an all powerful god, if one did indeed exist, would have taken all these points into consideration, but a 6th century mind wouldnt have. And a 6th century mind wrote the Koran.

In some cases, circular logic and emotional arguments are just not good enough to justify abhorrent acts.

Talent_M: lol...anyways poor comments as usual from the BOOT, come on, at least complete it,why mr boot don't like the truth? is it hard to you to accept the truth? I don't know! maybe!

The_Boot: 'why mr boot don't like the truth'

hmmmmm, coming from a person who hides behind the supernatural and denies reality, is that a joke?

'at least complete it,why mr boot don't like the truth?'

I found a flaw almost immediately in ur explanation...i thought maybe u could resolve this problem, before i moved on to reading the rest of ur diatribe. Nothing more, nothing less.

What is this truth i am meant to believe in? The truth is, is that there is nothing in the Koran or any other religious book that could not have been written by ANY man.

davidk14: .

Boot,

Just think of an Islamic suicide bomber. What does it take to strap on explosives, walk into a crowded street or restaurant…Yell Allah is great…kaboom!” ??

I haven’t heard of a Christian, Jew, Hindu, where followers will strap on bombs and kill innocent women and children.

Just yesterday, Hamas killed two men and two women leaving seven children as orphans. They murdered these civilians to distract the peace process between Israel and the PA. The followers of Islam who don’t want peace seriously contradict the religion of “peace and love”.

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Faith & proof: Just yesterday, Hamas killed two men and two women leaving seven children as orphans.


Hundreds of thousands of children were killed by Israel from 1948 untill today . What can u say about this?