Your religion is wrong (Page 3)

pioneer: Copycat! LOL

(I posted this link on Page 4, SITS. But for unknown reasons, Flashie doesn't seem to accept it as any valid evidence, at least, he hasn't commented on it.)

Topsyturvy: It's amusing to think that religion was thought up to do nothing more than explain the unexplainable (in ancient times anyway). I myself have wondered if humans that believe in the simplistic consept of god, are of lower intellegence. Or to put into context, our brains generation after generation have increased in size, more quickly than our ability to use the extra space. Hence the saying, "We only use 10% of our crainial capacity". Id say it's closer to 5%.

LastDragon: I wonder what would have happened if none of the major religions existed, but were introduced today? Would many people have believed in them without their previous tradition and would they even have been allowed in all countries?

Remember that everybody claiming to be "a prophet of God" in our enlightened era will surely be committed to a psychiatric ward and treated as a lunatic. Why should we then regard the prophets from the past and their messages any differently?

flashie: i hadnt seen it pioneer. but ill check it out now, no worries

flashie: "I'm not saying that believing in God makes you dumber. My hypothesis is that people with a low intelligence are more easily drawn toward religions, which give answers that are certain, while people with a high intelligence are more skeptical," says the professor.[5]

^this wiki page is evidence that theists are thicker than atheists, (and subsiquently agnostics are dummies too?) - when the professor quoted here in this 'evidence' says from the outset I'm not saying that believing in God makes you dumber...

atheists as the circular argument goes you cant disprove the universe was created and has rules and laws set in place anymore than a thiest can prove the universe is maintained by created laws and rules, the argument goes round and round etc etc

being an atheist is fine and if that way of thinking is chosen by an individual who am i to judge.

but puleeease if youre an atheist who thinks someone who belives in god is a dummy, get of your high horse which takes you nowhere. you just look silly.

creationists with far higher i.q.'s than any of the atheist posters on this site have inhabited the planet for thousands of years. id bet my weeks wages on it, just because you read or watched a few carl sagan quotes doesnt make you geniuses.

flashie: and psychology is as fickle a science as religious ideology.

flashie: as i posted before my father was a staunch atheist but wasnt intelligent enough to overcome an addiction to alcohol or see that suicide is infact insanity.

Fleinsopp: The big question is: Do you honestly think that he would have met a less tragic fate if he had had a religious belief?

StuckInTheSixties: Apologies, Pioneer. Indeed you did post that link. I saw flashie's (rhetorical) inquiry ...

"CAN SOMEONE PLEASE PROVIDE PROOFS OF THE ELUSIVE STATISTICS WHICH INDICATE OR PROVE ATHEISTS HAVE HIGHER IQ'S THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD??"

... and Googled "statistics atheists higher IQ" (or something like that), and POOF!, there was the Wiki article. The statistics weren't very "elusive" at all.

StuckInTheSixties: flashie, you're misinterpreting Professor Nyborg's statement, where he says, "I'm not saying that believing in God makes you dumber."

When you say: "creationists with far higher i.q.'s than any of the atheist posters on this site have inhabited the planet for thousands of years," you are applying it in the individual sense. Nyborg's statement was set in a statistical context. Of course, you can find an individual religious person with a higher IQ than an individual atheist. But taken as groups, the statistics make it clear that atheists score higher.

You are also in error with your attempt to paint agnostics with the religious brush because they are not atheists. In the same paragraph, Nybord says (my emphasis in CAPS): "My hypothesis is that people with a low intelligence are more easily drawn toward religions, which give answers that are CERTAIN, while people with a high intelligence are more SKEPTICAL."

The foundation of agnosticism is uncertainty and skepticism. Although there is no specific distinction drawn in the article, it's quite common for agnostics and atheists to be descriptively grouped, and I'm assuming that this article, and the statistics it cites, do so.

And you say:

"and psychology is as fickle a science as religious ideology."

To some degree, I'd agree with that. Objectivity is the cornerstone of science, and when applied to the individual, psychology is lacking, perhaps even devoid, of objectivity. However, when applied to large numbers of people ( statistical "sets" ), psychology is highly objective and extremely reliable.

flashie: ok fair comment.

this study is taken from inside usa? so the religious majority its founded on are christians?

fazzy891: how bout if it really true?

SPIRIT-ONE: "Yah Mo B There"
Single by James Ingram, Michael McDonald
from the album It's Your Night
Released 1983
Genre R&B
Label Qwest Records
Writer(s) James Ingram, Michael McDonald, Rod Temperton, Quincy Jones
Producer Quincy Jones

"Yah Mo B There" is an R&B song by James Ingram and Michael McDonald. It was written by Ingram, McDonald, Rod Temperton, and producer Quincy Jones. The song originally appeared on Ingram's 1983 album It's Your Night, released on Jones' Qwest Records label. It was released as a single in late 1983, peaking at #19 on the U.S. charts in 1984, and #12 on the UK charts in 1985, and has subsequently appeared on several of Ingram and McDonald's greatest hits albums as well as various 1980s compilation albums. The performance earned the duo a 1985 Grammy Award for Best R&B Performance by a Duo or Group with Vocal. It was one of a series of very successful duets involving Ingram.

According to Michael McDonald, this was based on the original Hebrew name for God (Yahweh), and was originally called "Yahweh Be There." The title was James Ingram's idea: "We were talking about how to say God will be there without scaring most of the audience away." It was co-written and produced by Quincy Jones (who does the African style sounds in the song) and Rod Temperton.

StuckInTheSixties: flashie, Nyborg's study was, indeed, conducted upon 7000 Americans, so presumably the majority religion would be Christianity of one sort or another.

And your point is ... ?

SnowRaven: Religion is not wrong, in fact it is quite an interesting idea and social experiment, as far as those who follow it are concerned.

And flashie, you DO know there is an 'edit' button beside all of your posts, do you not? Try using that instead of re-posting

StuckInTheSixties: SnowRaven, who appointed you Lord High Bufu Exalted Overseer of Forums?

SnowRaven: No one, but it is rather bloody obvious and sensible than going through all of that spamming crap.

StuckInTheSixties: Okay. Since you're not Lord High Bufu Exalted Overseer of Forums, perhaps everyone shall simply be amused by your constant harping, nitpicking entrances into forum threads and mock you.

flashie: i prefer not to use edit as i like to comment from the brain to the boards. occasionally i edit to rectify exceptional spelling mistakes, apologies snowraven if my posts are sometimes longwinded for you.

point being Sits, and no disrespect to Christians, but begotten not made etc and original sin, sending my only son to die for human sins idea seems ridiculous to me and very unlikely. i never did buy into that theory.