Here's a quote from the bible questioneverything: Read it! << Leviticus 25:44 >> Both your slaves, and your bondmaids, which you shall have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall you buy slaves and bondmaids. What do you think about this?  SPIRIT-ONE: it was for a simpler time ,a time when most of the world was in spiritual darkness ,slavery is wrong in any form ,in any land  Qz: I dont believe this verse or any verse that refers to slavery, condones the action. It merely acknowledges that it does exist. questioneverything: << Leviticus 25:46 >> (King James Bible) And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit [them for] a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.  LiptonCambell: >>>it was for a simpler time ,a time when most of the world was in spiritual darkness ,slavery is wrong in any form ,in any land But if you honestly believe our cultural beliefs are stronger than what is dictated in the bible, and you can cast aside biblical teachings in place of more modern ones, doesn't that mean all bets are off? Why can we say "oh, the bible is just outdated" when it comes to slavery, but other subjects, such as masterbation, and homosexuality, the bible is the be all end all discussion? If the bible is the word of God, and the word of God is an absolute, then how can we justify saying some scriptures count, but others do not?  Kundra: That's why I reject the whole shabang; slavery, discrimination, restrictions and self-proclaimed truth included...  Alina_Alexander: The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) was written over 2,000 years ago for a specific people and culture at that time. Attempting to read, interrupt, and understand this text with a 21st century mind is self-defeating. To understand the culture is to understand the people; and thus understand why specific writings were penned, and the reasons behind these writings. Eating Children in the Bible: This was practiced in times of famine and siege when food supplies ran out. See 2 Kings 6:*******9), Lam. 2:20 and 4:10, Jer. 19:9, Lev. 26:29, Deut. 28:53, Ezek. 5:10 Child Sacrifice: See Jer.2:23, 7:31-32, 19:4, 19:5, 2 Kings 16:2-3. Valley of Ben-hinnom. Also Ben (Ge) – Hinnom: This was ravine (a gully) just outside the walls of Jerusalem, beyond the Potsherd Gate. It was a place associated with burning, shame and wickedness. It was also a place referenced with the burning of children to god Molech. See 2 Kings 23:10, “He defiled Topheth, which is in the Valley of Ben-hinnom, so that no one would make a son or a daughter pass through fire as an offering to Molech”. These are just a few items that we obviously do not employ today in our society - yet then, it was practiced. And by the way, the "Kings James Version" of the Bible has 30,000 errors in its translation. SPIRIT-ONE: not to mention ,7000 deletions as well and many fables interpolated 100s of years after the original authors had passed on .  Point5andahalf: Two and half thousand years ago was a different world compared to today. I think the point of those passages about slaves, is about treating slaves fairly, at a time when slaves were bought and sold, and there were no laws. Actually it's no different in todays system of employment. The workers are slaves to their employers. The slaves/servants of the Israelites were treated more fairly than many working class people of today. Think about the sweat shops. Who can condemn slavery in those ancient times, and ignore/condone it in current times?! hypocrisy. Remember, the Israelites were slaves in Egypt for 400 years. Continuing on in Leviticus 25:55 For the people of Israel belong to me. They are my servants, whom I brought out of the land of Egypt. I am the Lord[YHWH] your God. Deuteronomy 15:12-18 “If a fellow Hebrew sells himself or herself to be your servant and serves you for six years, in the seventh year you must set that servant free. “When you release a male servant, do not send him away empty-handed. Give him a generous farewell gift from your flock, your threshing floor, and your winepress. Share with him some of the bounty with which the Lord your God has blessed you. Remember that you were once slaves in the land of Egypt and the Lord your God redeemed you! That is why I am giving you this command. “But suppose your servant says, ‘I will not leave you,’ because he loves you and your family, and he has done well with you. In that case, take an awl and push it through his earlobe into the door. After that, he will be your servant for life. And do the same for your female servants. “You must not consider it a hardship when you release your servants. Remember that for six years they have given you services worth double the wages of hired workers, and the Lord your God will bless you in all you do. Meanwhile, today most of us are slaves to the economy,.. the mighty dollar! Choose your God wisely  duncan123: the northern people did n't have slaves. i thought the story was about how the christians coud see that some people would prosper and do as it discribed. slaves are expensive to keep and its only corruption that makes the slaver do it yet the bible says they prospered even when its against everything the bible says! SPIRIT-ONE: Point5 said :Remember, the Israelites were slaves in Egypt for 400 years. The Israelites were caucasion and the Egyptians were black ,so in reality the black man enslaved the white man first ,then a couple thousand years later it happened to the enslavers [Egypt is in Africa for those who don't know] They have found the rich in New York and elsewhere in the country ,still buying slaves ,they are smuggled from 3rd world countries with the promise of employment that winds up being 'indentured servitude' The world will never change until man gets rid of the concept 'Might is Right' LiptonCambell: >>>so in reality the black man enslaved the white man first Ummm....I dont see why it matters who did what "first", but slavery is far older than eygpt.....the earliest civilizations all had human slaves- in fact, the anicent plow was pulled by slaves long before we doesmaticed animals to do it for it.... The simple fact is, slavery predates recorded human history. Finding the "first" slave anywhere is quite impossible. >>>still buying slaves ,they are smuggled from 3rd world countries with the promise of employment that winds up being 'indentured servitude' Umm.....again, there are more examples of slavery than that....esspecially in the third world- children often are victims of the syx slave trade, and illegal immigrants are often victims of the criminal organsations that smuggle them. I never liked the fact that people who sign contracts to work for so many years are compared equally to the people who spend their life trully as slaves..... but we're really getting off on a tangent.... duncan123: well the world has changed.quite a bit recently the isralites were homeless and when someone said some of you can live on the lands i have over there they stayed four hundred years the people next to those lands and nearby complained they are always causing trouble trying to overthrow our king and get rid of landowners, stirring up trouble with the other tribes so for four hundred years they stuck to their tenency agreement untill they breached it because they had become so dirty and so offensive to people nearby, "immoral behaviour" it was called and the land there is still called "dirt" the egyptions had to stop diseases as their main problem living on the banks of a river Point5andahalf: I never heard of it put that way before. I guess you're talking about the 10 plagues brought upon Egypt before the exodus, as mentioned in the bible. Still, they escaped the slavery. Those laws are probably older than 2500 years ago. Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt 1000 bc or more, apparently . And since that time, the Egyptian Pharaohs and their empire, and their religion has come to nothing. People gather from all over the world to look in amazement at the relics. Yet the the Jewish religion (and it's offshoots) persists. I don't know, but I wonder why. SPIRIT-ONE: I meant nothing slanderous or bias against anyone with my previous statement ,just pointing out a little history LiptonCambell: Yea, but I'm pointing out that your point doesn't make sense. Slavery in all likelihood existed before fire. Point5andahalf: I think it's funny that a pierced ear was a symbol of loyalty/service to a master. Ear piercing means different things for different cultures. The bible is a record of the Israelites, from their point of view. duncan123: well,... you r not right there lipton. there is some history about people controling others and before people had much there was a great danger in being near others , and i would imagine not much else to do other then the same thing as your slave. no chains either SPIRIT-ONE: Point 5 said: The bible is a record of the Israelites, from their point of view. Thanks ,you've said it all with that statement the christian world thinks the Bible was written for them and is the undisputed inspired word of their God-Jesus [not true] the original scriptures [before the Jesus fable was interpolated] were written for 'YAHWEH'S' people ,the 'Israelites' ,I will print 'HISTORICAL' evidence to that fact soon . The sooner the world realizes that Jesus is a 'Myth' a mere 'childs fable' ,then maybe some will come out of the spiritual darkness they are in and embrace the Maker as they did in days of Olde. HALLELUYAHWEH! THIS FINE SABBATH DAY! Point5andahalf: I think the truth will become known one day. (Not that I know what it is) But your belief is closely connected to the bible, so it isn't entirely a fable. There is some truth there. Here's another relevant quote from Leviticus: Chapter 19 33 “Do not take advantage of foreigners who live among you in your land. 34 Treat them like native-born Israelites, and love them as you love yourself. Remember that you were once foreigners living in the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God. This is off topic but should we take this one seriously?:- verse 27: “Do not trim off the hair on your temples or trim your beards." I assume it is because the Egyptians and other nations shaved their faces, and Israel was not to follow their customs. Probably when shaving was a new thing, in the bronze age. | Religion Chat Room 30 People Chatting Similar Conversations |
