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beloved_azi: i was saying that to muslims..who are not steady in their religion and not a atheist who convert to islam..im not a born english and im not that good that i never make a single mistake while talking.there is no one who would never make a mistake.and im sorry if my grammer and english was so wrong when i said that.but i was not saying that to an atheist i said that mainly keeping in mind about muslims who are not steady.and if someone make mistake that doesnt mean they are dumb uneducated.stop saying that(@garo_ra).and dont pick on the same mistake of my english.look at what i mean actually.picking on my weakness or you understanding in other way and not the way which i meant doesnt prove that im dumb girl with no sense at all.is this how education tells us to treat people?even if someone is uneducated education tell us to teach them and not mock at them by saying "i have never seen so dumb like you or you are uneducated i dont have anything to speak with you" sorry even if you call me as uneducated i dont leave people or hurt someone by saying they are uneducated that is not what i learnt.and i hope that at least you understand my english..i never disrespected any religion.i talked about my opinion.so do you have to get soo angry? is that because you were wrong or that you are right.i just wanted a friendly conversation and not a fight.i clearly said in some of my post that no one should force anyone to accept anyreligion let it be even my religion..you dont want to take the good things what i said.but what to get angry and say im dumb on few things that i made mistake or if you misunderstood.?i never asked you to accept each and every word of mine did i? i clearly said that its upto people to decide and choose their path..but its my duty to tell if i found out a truth..believing it or not is upto you..now dont even take the other meaning from what i said in this..its shame if you cant understand even this..if you couldnt understand what i meant actually from this..i was here for jst a friendly conversation..easy friends..

StuckInTheSixties: Lesson to be learned, and a statement on religion in general:

Religion Forum isn't the best place for "friendly conversation."

(Same for Politics Forum)

beloved_azi: like i said said im not thinking wrongly of atheism.i have said thati respect them.& i hv also said that im student of comparitive religion.on if i find the truth whatever it is.i will accept that.and i find islam not as a religion but as a way of life..which is giving me answers to my questions..like you said darwins theory.ITS JUST A THEORY AND NOT PROVED TO BE A FACT..there are some scientists who dont believe in Darwins theory of evolution.im not saying that once upon a time there was a egg and from that egg a man came thts stupid..i dint mean that..I belive in big bang theory,but not in theory of evolution of human being..as it is not proved clearly..and regarding embryology of what im saying is that not that the very first man who existed came from an egg ..no..thats not what i mean.what i mean is the process of how development takes place inside the womb of mother and how the Quran precisely talks about it 1400 years ago without a single mistake when there was no advancement in science.how is that possible that a book is talking so clearly about embryology.im talking about how development takes place inside a womb..point to be noted.its not that every man even now is coming from an ape..i hope you understand what i mean.im talking about how a human is born..how a girl or boy is born.about the embryo that grows into a baby and enter into this world.now you cant disagree with this..if you did then you are against science..because in every school and university they teach that this is correct..no one would say who know about develpment about this fact what i said is wrong.im just comparing it and want to find out the truth.how can a book say about this so precisely?if it was just 100 years ago may be nothing to wonder.but it is said 1400 years ago..when there is no evidence of any other scientific development.

beloved_azi: i belive in big bang theory i totally agree with that. but im still not clear with darwin's theory of evolution..im not getting 100% proof on Darwin's theory of evolution.

beloved_azi: on Darwins theory im still trying to find out what is correct and what is wrong..not because im a religious one..its because i want the truth for me..but there are more other topics rather than this theory to be concentrated.like a qst i asked i believe in science..and so im having lots of qsts and want to learn more.and like i asked how can a book contain scientific facts precisely which is 1400 years ago.its not bcos im from that religion.its bcos i want to learn..i want to find the purpose of us living today.i want to find the way of life and want to know the truth.this is not just a matter of theory of evolution..may be thts the only one which im not satisfied with in what i have learned in science.the more i learn the more im attracted toward that book named as Quran as it is making me increase my knowledge more in science..like BIG BANG, MOUNTAINA,EVAPORATION,UNIVERSE WHICH IS SO VAST.THE SKY, EMBRYOLOGY,SEA..lots of science which are accurate..and nothing is proved to be wrong..but i donno about theory of evolution.and im trying to find that too.what is correct and wrong.like i said its just not about religion..or that im forced into..its because i love to learn and want to find the purpose of us living today..its because i love science..that i find that book to be wonderful which says to increase our knowledge and which encourages me to learn about science..and asking us to learn and find out the truth as it talks correctly about lots of science..which are true.

beloved_azi: @ THESIXTHSENSE: im not interested in war.. not a fight.disscuss about ..to find out the truth..im not here to fight..but to talk with my friends and find out the truth..if im wrong then to correct myself and if my friends or brothers or sisters are wrong then to correct them..accepting it or not is their wish.just a peaceful conversation..and not a war or fight..

Garo_Ra: it's sort of hard to understand you so that's why we have these issues

maybe try to make your posts shorter and more concise.

did you watch the video I posted on evolution?

(btw Im a biology student and I know about the development of the child, I'm saying that I looked into the claim that it is in the qu'ran and I dont believe that it is. Only a few scientists do.)

CoIin: Lotta bullying going on in here. Be nice to the lady, fer goodness sake. Doesn't cost anything. If you must, sway her with a cogent argument, not insults. Since when was "you just keep getting dumber and dumber" an effective debating technique?

Peace and love, Oman
And oh! the confidence of youth LOL. Reminds me of me 400 years ago

CoIin: And who knows, she might just be right. Or maybe none of us are. I wouldn't be too cocky about science, friends. Yes, it's successes are indupitable (did I spell that right? ) and it seems the best tool we have right now for furthering our knowledge, but they thought they had it pretty much all right in 1900. Then 2000 came along. Compare concepts - what is the Sun?, what is the universe?, what is an atom? etc, etc. You'll find very little in common. So are you saying we've got it all right now? The Chinese say be careful what you wish for, except they don't

beloved_azi: hey colinian and Garo_ra i said you that im not satisfied with that theory.but its just not about theory of evolution and sticking to Darwin.like you say u dont find about embryology in Quran.i can make it easier to you brother. i can give quotations from Quran not just Embryology what you want to know ASTRONOMY/EMBRYOLOGY/ABOUT THE SUN/BIG BANG THEORY/EVAPORATION/MOUNTAINS? and lets come into common terms.. sorry for writing toooo big big.couldnt help

beloved_azi: i talked too long.of course it would have been difficult to understand. and im not English..so i hope watever i wanted to ACTUALLY say i said it correctly.

beloved_azi: CREATION OF THE UNIVERSE: ‘THE BIG BANG’
The creation of the universe is explained by astrophysicists in a widely accepted phenomenon, popularly known as the ‘Big Bang’. It is supported by observational and experimental data gathered by astronomers and astrophysicists for decades. According to the ‘Big Bang’, the whole universe was initially one big mass (Primary Nebula). Then there was a ‘Big Bang’ (Secondary Separation) which resulted in the formation of Galaxies. These then divided to form stars, planets, the sun, the moon, etc. The origin of the universe was unique and the probability of it occurring by ‘chance’ is zero. The Qur’aan contains the following verse, regarding the origin of the universe: "Do not the Unbelievers see That the heavens and the earth Were joined together (as one Unit of Creation), before We clove them asunder?" [Al-Qur’aan 21:30]
The striking congruence between the Qur’aanic verse and the ‘Big Bang’ is inescapable! How could a book, which first appeared in the deserts of Arabia 1400 years ago, contain this profound scientific truth?

beloved_azi: THERE WAS AN INITIAL GASEOUS MASS BEFORE THE CREATION OF GALAXIES
Scientists say that before the galaxies in the universe were formed, celestial matter was initially in the form of gaseous matter. In short, huge gaseous matter or clouds were present before the formation of the galaxies. To describe initial celestial matter, the word ‘smoke’ is more appropriate than gas. The following Qur’aanic verse refers to this state of the universe by the word dhukhan which means smoke.
"Moreover, He Comprehended In His design the sky, And it had been (as) smoke: He said to it And to the earth: ‘Come ye together, Willingly or unwillingly.’ They said: ‘We do come (Together), in willing obedience.’" [Al-Qur’aan 41:11]
Again, this fact is a corollary to the ‘Big Bang’ and was not known to the Arabs during the time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). What then, could have been the source of this knowledge?

beloved_azi: THE EXISTENCE OF SUBATOMIC PARTICLES;
"The Unbelievers say, ‘Never to us will come The Hour’: say, ‘Nay! But most surely, By my Lord, it will come Upon you – by Him Who knows the unseen – From Whom is not hidden The least little atom In the Heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less Than that, or greater, but Is in the Record Perspicuous.’" [Al-Qur’aan 34:3] [A similar message is conveyed in the Qur’an in 10:61]
This verse refers to the Omniscience of God, His knowledge of all things, hidden or apparent. It then goes further and says that God is aware of everything, including what is smaller or bigger than the atom. Thus the verse clearly shows that it is possible for something smaller than the atom to exist, a fact discovered only recently by modern science.

beloved_azi: THE WATER CYCLE
The water cycle is described by the Qur’aan in the following verses: "Seest thou not that Allah Sends down rain from The sky, and leads it Through springs in the earth? Then He causes to grow, Therewith, produce of various Colours." [Al-Qur’aan 39:21]
"He sends down rain From the sky And with it gives life to The earth after it is dead: Verily in that are Signs For those who are wise." [Al-Qur’aan 30:24]
"And We send down water From the sky according to (Due) measure, and We cause it To soak in the soil; And We certainly are able To drain it off (with ease)." [Al-Qur’aan 23:18]
No other text dating back 1400 years ago gives such an accurate description of the water cycle.

beloved_azi: EMBRYOLOGY
MAN IS CREATED FROM ALAQ
A LEECH-LIKE SUBSTANCE
"If ye realise this not, ask Of those who possess the Message." [Al-Qur’aan 16:43 & 21:7]
"Proclaim! (or Read!) In the name Of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created – Created man, out of A (mere) clot Of congealed blood." [Al-Qur’aan 96:1-2]WHAT DOES A CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD MEAN?The word alaq besides meaning a congealed clot of blood also means something that clings, a leech-like substance. Dr. Keith Moore had no knowledge whether an embryo in the initial stages appears like a leech. To check this out he studied the initial stage of the embryo under a very powerful microscope in his laboratory and compared what he observed with a diagram of a leech and he was astonished at the striking resemblance between the two!

beloved_azi: MAN CREATED FROM A DROP EMITTED FROM BETWEEN THE BACK BONE AND THE RIBS
"Now let man but think From what he is created! He is created from A drop emitted – Proceeding from between The back bone and the ribs." [Al-Qur’aan 86:5-7]
In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, i.e. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads (ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads (testicles) continue their descent before birth to reach the scrotum through the inguinal canal. Even in the adult after the descent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply from the Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the backbone (spinal column) and the ribs. Even the lymphatic drainage and the venous return goes to the same area.

beloved_azi: HUMAN BEINGS CREATED FROM SULALAH
(Quintessence of liquid)
"And made his progeny From a quintessence Of the nature of A fluid despised." [Al-Qur’aan 32:8]
MAN CREATED FROM NUTFATUN AMSHAAJ
(Mingled liquids)
Consider the following Qur’aanic verse: "Verily We created Man from a drop Of mingled sperm." [Al-Qur’aan 76:2]
The Arabic word nutfatin amshaajin means mingled liquids. According to some commentators of the Qur’aan, mingled liquids refers to the male or female agents or liquids. After mixture of male and female gamete, the zygote still remains nutfah. Mingled liquids can also refer to spermatic fluid that is formed of various secretions that come from various glands. Therefore nutfatin amsaj, i.e. a minute quantity of mingled fluids refers to the male and female gametes (germinal fluids or cells) and part of the surrounding fluids.

beloved_azi: ufff..there are more..and more..want to know i made it easier for you,if you couldnt find as to where it is said about embryology in Quran.i have made it easier and explained as well as quoted those verses and chapter number.you can refer to it.not just about embryology i ever wrote posts on other scientific fact. now isnt it ridiculous to say that Quran is wrong or that some one might have written it 1400 years ago when there was no advanced development, to just ignore a book which contains lots of signs.which we should read and try to find out what it actually means.and who wrote such book?who is the author of that book?surely the Almighty..any comments? its my opinion.im not forcing anything..naaa...

Garo_Ra: non of this has convinced me azi. sorry. they are much too vague to be taken seriously, and even then none of them are complex scientific phenomena.

Magicspell: I call it "enthusiastic religious propaganda". At best, some of it may be labeled "quasi-science".

Garo_Ra: yup. and the sad thing is it has convinced tons of uneducated people like azi.

I love you azi but you have to understand that you are only making islam look worse and muslims less intelligent.

StuckInTheSixties: azi says:
"im still not clear with darwin's theory of evolution..im not getting 100% proof on Darwin's theory of evolution."

That proof exists. It's been confirmed repeatedly in countless ways.

Talent_M: "That proof exists. It's been confirmed repeatedly in countless ways. "
hm hm, where pls!?

Garo_Ra: hi there

first read this: http://www.newscientist.com/topic/evolution

and then watch this:

Hopefully shortly you will be joining us in the 21st century! Doesn't it get lonely back there in the middle ages?