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neoQpid: on the topic, it depends to person to person.
I think religion is a matter of indiviaulity, its the way u want to live, young to say but how it wd b if u choose ur religion ?Osho said once there shd b as many religion as many ppl there(tho m a happy hindu with a hint of buddhism , yet i dont follow rituals like worship everyday)
but somewher m also an atheist who dont pray to God jst to have good marks in exams .

beloved_azi: it doesnt convince u brother..so does it doesnt convince us..that there is no God..and let me tell you brother whatever Quranic verses i Quote it was to prove that there is GOd.wthr u blive it or not.its my duty to tell..

beloved_azi: brother Garo_ra if how me quoting the verses prove there is GOd..thats what you should think..how a 1400 year old book contain accurate scientific fact.dont just stick to scientific fact if u dont want to..you have to read it.to find out.even if you dont blive..let see..on judgement day..who was correct and who was wrong.
Say (O Muhammad (Peace be upon him)to these Mushrikoon and Kafiroon): "O Al-Kafiroon (disbelievers in Allah, in His Oneness, in His Angels, in His Books, in His Messengers, in the Day of Resurrection, and in Al-Qadar, etc.)!
2 "I worship not that which you worship,
3 "Nor will you worship that which I worship.
4 "And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.
5 "Nor will you worship that which I worship.
6 "To you be your religion, and to me my religion (Islamic Monotheism)."
for you is your way and for me is my way.
dear brother Garo_ra u said that im uneducated and making Islam look worse..but ther are people who are accepting islam.jst me alone will not look Islam bad,just because you said so..that's how you think..but i never forced you to accept whatever i meant you can go on in your way..accepting it or not is you people's wish.

hope_joy80: I think fundamentalism causes atheism in some places in the third world countries.

In my country, there was a famous fundamentalist muslim cleric, he was like a kind of guy who forbade jokes and smile,forbade use the fork and the spoon...

Finally, he died as an atheist..

*note,
fundamentalism dont represent the real Islam.

hope_joy80: apes are not the ancestors of a man
but, man and ape share the same ancestor.
it is called "Superfamily Hominoidea"they share the same ancestors.

We can believe in the existence of God and biology at the same time.

[[Superfamily Hominoidea]]
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List of Families:
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1>Family Hylobatidae
(Gibbons)
a. Hylobates syndactylus, H. concolor, H. hoolock, H. klossii,
H. lar, H. agilis, H. pileatus, H. moloch, and H. muelleri

2> Family Pongidae
(Orangutans, Chimpanzees, Bonobos, and Gorillas)
a. Pongo pygmaeus pygmaeus and P. pygmaeus abelli
b. Pan troglodytes schweinfurthii, P. troglodytes troglodytes, P.trogloydytes verus, and P. paniscus
c. Gorilla gorilla gorilla, G. gorilla beringei, and G. gorilla graueri


3>Family Hominidae
(Humans)
a. H#&x sapiens > us

Talent_M: sorry hope_joy I disagree with you,some people claim, the man is an ape espacially Chimpanzee kind! cos he shares more than 90% of DNA (I don't know from where they brought such percentage!? ),anyway while it's scientifically known, Nematode worms share with the human about 75% of DNA and 60% with Drosophila melanogaster (fruit fly), so my dear friend who claims the darwinism be away from the insects killer spray next time .

hope_joy80: Thanks Talent for your reply,

a friend of mine has (Ph.D)of Medicine...and she's specialties in genomics

I can not remember what she said but,
she's really wow! she explained me that theory of evolution in a very convincing manner "genomicly".
she said also that she has a muslim scientist friend who said, this theory does not contrary to Islam ideologicaly.

I'm not that expert in biology...but i'm really taken by those ppl like her.
>>http://www.linkedin.com/pub/adriana-heguy/6/7a3/b79
you can ask her anything she's lovely.

Garo_Ra: rational people like hope warm my heart

Juba_The_Sniper: Obviously Talent is going to disagree with science or any other ideas which contradict his belief system which he holds onto with dear life because he is afraid.

Talent, you forget to mention the banana, which we also share 50% of our DNA with. We are all primates. All facts that can be empirically tested and proved by science. These are ideas which have been tested and tested and tested and tested ad infinitum.

Its a shame your book of desert fables (The Quran) wouldnt stand up to the same amount of scrutiny. In fact the Quran has more holes in it than a cheap Hong Kong suit.

Juba_The_Sniper: Keep searching for REAL knowledge Hope_Joy and you just may find what you are looking for. Dont let religious or any other fundamentalist belief deter you from your quest for knowledge. Dont be afraid of threats made by zealots.

If you need any help with evolution or any other biological science, whilst not being a scientist, i do enjoy learning and study and could give you a bibliography written by real scientists on such subjects.

LastDragon: I am also here to offer my services in case someone needs a boost of reason to displace dubious religious propaganda.

beloved_azi: good answer by Talent..but i dont believe in Darwins theory either..but i would like to request to my dear brother Garo_ra that just because someone says that they blive in God doesnt make them Dumb/illiterate or uneducated..just bcos they are trying to prove that there is God..is this how you debate?pls stop saying to people like that.. im not taking it seriously...because i dont want to spoil my mood or keep thinking negatively or whatever...but not all are same..some people might think that all you do is call believers as uneducated if they try to prove about God..thts how it looks so..or your being impolite and bit rude to a lady like me.. be nice.. fix that ..

Juba_The_Sniper: 'i dont believe in Darwins theory either'

Have you even taken time to study, examine the evidence and understand the idea of evolution? Are you even allowed to study evolution (evolution that is accepted by all reputable scientists throughout the scientific community) in your country?

I hear that the teaching of evolution is banned in many Islamic countries such as Sudan and Saudia Arabia.

Juba_The_Sniper: 'I disagree with you,some people claim, the man is an ape espacially Chimpanzee kind! cos he shares more than 90% of DNA (I don't know from where they brought such percentage!? ),anyway while it's scientifically known, Nematode worms share with the human about 75% of DNA and 60% with Drosophila melanogaster (fruit fly)'

Instead of asserting YOUR opinions Talent_M do you have any evidence to refute these claims made by science? How do you know they are wrong? Do you know better than reputable scientists who accept and stand by these claims in favor of evidence for evolution?

Talent_M: I don't refute the science at all,on the contrary,in fact I refute the contradictions , actually the science is about everything is proven and true thus it's essential principle to my religion!, unless I don't like to twist and falsify the facts.

Juba_The_Sniper: 'I disagree with you,some people claim, the man is an ape espacially Chimpanzee kind!'

'I don't refute the science at all'

please make up ur mind. u need to be more consistent with ur arguments.

and its not SOME people who CLAIM that man is an ape. The scientific community agrees that man is a primate. Any reputable scientist knows that evolution is fact. Evolution isnt just some idea that was thought up half-heartedly one day because some scientists were bored. It is a proven scientific theory that has been scrutinised, tested and peer reviewed over and over again.

Talent_M: 'I disagree with you,some people claim, the man is an ape espacially Chimpanzee kind!'

'I don't refute the science at all'

who said that science "the alleged theory" is true, yeh true some scientists who has same intent like you admitted it, but their researchs all have been defeated and we can't see it applied on whole various animals and mankind today, anyway this is not the point of our debate, let's say it's a true process of life creation, but I hope you will agree with me, this process is not occured by chance, on other word our world is not based on random system, everything is designed and programmed intelligently,right!?

Juba_The_Sniper: No, i certainly dont agree that everything is designed and programmed intelligently, whatever that may mean.

For something to be designed, there must be a designer. Who are you implying this designer is?

And intelligence is a very subjective concept.

'yeh true some scientists who has same intent like you admitted it'

Its not SOME scientists. Any reputable scientist knows that evolution is fact. And what is my intent?