Judaism, The Only Truth (Page 2)
ghostgeek: According to Muhammad it must be. Well, that's prophets for you. Always thinking of themselves.
chay chayi: Deuteronomy 30:3-5
Then the Lord your God will restore your fortunes and have mercy on you, and he will gather you again from all the peoples where the Lord your God has scattered you. 4 If your outcasts are in the uttermost parts of heaven, from there the Lord your God will gather you, and from there he will take you. 5 And the Lord your God will bring you into the land that your fathers possessed, that you may possess it. And he will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers.
ghostgeek: Deuteronomy 29:18-21
18 Lest there should be among you man, or woman, or family, or tribe, whose heart turneth away this day from the Lord our God, to go and serve the gods of these nations; lest there should be among you a root that beareth gall and wormwood;
19 And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
20 The Lord will not spare him, but then the anger of the Lord and his jealousy shall smoke against that man, and all the curses that are written in this book shall lie upon him, and the Lord shall blot out his name from under heaven.
21 And the Lord shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the covenant that are written in this book of the law:
It seems to me that the meaning of Deuteronomy 30 should be understood in relation to chapter 29, which clearly is saying that any Jew who goes and worships other gods is going to get a kick up the backside from God.
dadman1240: Makes me wonder why you're still alive .... God holds back his soon to come wrath by his enduring love / mercy and patience .... your day will soon come
ghostgeek: Clearly Dadman, God has been very patient with you, but don't expect His mercy to last for ever. One day even He will tire of your bile.
dadman1240: my judgement is behind me resulting in salvation .... you still have to face yours resulting in damnation ........ Jesus: So it will be at the end of the age .. the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous .. and will throw them into the furnace of fire .. in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth .... http://www.gty.org/MediaPlayer/sermons/2304 .. Matthew 13:49-50
ghostgeek: If He exists, it will be up to God to judge who the wicked are, nobody else, and certainly not you Dadman. I would recommend a little less preaching and a little more introspection if you want to miss out on the furnace.
ghostgeek: Luke 6:37 ( King James Version )
"Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:"
dadman1240: what does that scripture have to do with your rejection of Jesus Christ and therefor sealing your eternal destiny in Hell ?? ..... The rich man and Lazarus .... Luke 16:19-31 .. a testimony of one surprised to be in Hell ... http://www.gty.org/MediaPlayer/sermons/42-212 ... full context = http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=122#p122 ... enjoy
ghostgeek: There you go again Dadman, being presumptuous. In your scheme of things God is the one who decides who goes to Hell, not you. Maybe you should remember that, the next time you feel the urge second-guess God.
dadman1240: ...... > God < "is the one who decides who goes to Hell, not you" ..... according to your rejection of him is the indication of God's rejection of you ...... see Romans 1:18 thru 32 .... you harden your heart .. you harden your heart .. you harden your heart .. you harden your heart ........ God hardens your heart
dadman1240: No I do not ..... God has saved me FROM condemnation and unto peace with Him ..... Romans 8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus ...
ghostgeek: Counting your chicks before they're hatched, Dadman, can lead to disappointment. I knew a bloke once who insisted he was going to get at least a two-one degree. Absolutely certain he was. Fate had other ideas though. Something went wrong and he ended up with a two-two. Never count your chicks before they're running around.
dadman1240: How Can I Be Sure of My Salvation? - Grace to You ....
...... In God I trust
ghostgeek: There's billions of theists in the world, all certain of their salvation, and most of them don't believe in what you believe in Dadman. It seems to me that this God you trust in has been telling different stories to different people. That doesn't make Him sound very trustworthy to me.
dadman1240: indeed ... your "own way" cannot save you ....
yes, there is God and he has provided the only way to salvation
ghostgeek: Dadman, nothing constructed on the words of Moses has any substance. The man was a deceiver. If there is a God, it won't be the one you read about in the Bible.
ghostgeek: Chayiii won't be happy at you pushing a Christian message on one of his Jewish threads Dadman. He's already got you going down to Hell, so if you're not careful it'll be a double roasting for you when you get there.
dadman1240: my purpose in life is not to make Chayiii happy .... sorry ...
and Hell is for those who refuse to give God glory
ghostgeek: I think we'll both have to get along with not making Chayiii happy Dadman, if for different reasons. As for God, I think volcanoes get enough attention already without me adding my two penneth worth.