Largest Misinterpretation with the Torah (Page 3)

Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Sounds like the things Harold Camping used to say when he made not 1 but 3 predictions of the end of the world and even raised millions of dollars in money to warn people, but was wrong all three times.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: So were a lot of other religious groups, repeatedly. They weren't using the same numbers.

Chayi, what is the exact biblical quote the Messiah will appear 2000 years after the destruction of the second temple?

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mirja
mirja: i wouldnt bother about any religion that is just about theories.... calculations...and prooving....boring!
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chayim
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chayim
chayim: It says by king salaman in his book mishley [in hebrew] God says; if you will leave me for 1 day i will leave you for 2 days, meaning; that it should forgive your 1 day by suffering from my disappearance, and it says by king david his book tehilim (psalms) Thousand years in your eyes is like yesterday, and from the time the torah was given till the destroying of the second temple was thousand years what the jews did not follow God really with their whole heart

Now, the destroying of the second temple was with God's disappearance totally, and its now 1946 years, and in 54 years will be 2,000 years, its 2 days for 1 thousand = 1 day they did not follow God, and mushiach will come with God's discovery totally like never before, and it says in the torah that this will be by the end of the days, meaning; God created the world in 6 days, and the 6 thousand years is like the 6 days of the creation, and adam = human was created the 6th day, and by near the fullfilling of the 6th thousand is the end of the days, like now
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: The bible is not a reference manual to predict events. Therefore, any "truth" coming from the bible is really more of a delusion.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: There is no evidence that the first temple existed Chayi, in fact there is no evidence that King Solomon existed either. This fact alone rather undermines any belief in your prediction.
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chayim
chayim: When you say; "there is no evidence" of what was in the past, its totally delusional, everything from the past has no evidence

Have you evidence that the son was existing yesterday ?
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: "Have you evidence that the sun was existing yesterday?"

That's called argumentum ad absurdum. We know the sun rises and sets everyday so there is no need to prove anything. Archaeological and historical records are pretty accurate indicators of the past and they are the best clues we have to what life was like.
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Tamanisha
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chayim
chayim: Sciense will not prove against truth, the 1 true belife God, and evrything whats written in the torah
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moofy
moofy: @ghostgeek:

"There is no evidence that the first temple existed"
"In fact there is no evidence King Solomon existed either."

Technically your statement is inaccurate. There actually is some evidence to suggest it.


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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Is there? I didn't think one stone of the first temple had been found. As for King Solomon, this great king, it doesn't appear that the nations surrounding Israel ever mentioned him in their records. If he was floating about he didn't make much of an impression.
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moofy
moofy: Well I'm not speaking from a theological point but an archeological one.

They found quite a bit this year excavation wise. I'm on my phone ATM, but when I'm done with dinner, I'll post some articles (it made the daily news and smithsonian).
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: That would be very welcome. There's always something new being dug up. Can't say it made the news here.
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moofy
moofy: Oh yea, before I forget!

http://www.timesofisrael.com/decoded-king-solomon-era-jug-engraving/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/22/ancient-wine-cellar-canaanite-israel

http://www.keytodavidscity.com
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mirja
mirja: well some other scientist (in that field) works to prove the opposite to that truth ... derects his findings accoring to his aims...
science ..cos its man's recearch is never independent/neutral although the ideal
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: I wonder how archaeologists are certain if King Solomon was a real or fictional character. I don't recall the bible giving any detailed description of the man, other than having 1,000 wives.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Thank you Moofy for the links you posted. I found them interesting but also a little tentative. The meaning of the inscription on the jar seems subject to an awful lot of interpretation, given that most is missing. But, if it is from the right time period and does refer to King Solomon, surely this only highlights the paucity of evidence for him. Advancing one pot shard as a primary piece of evidence for a king who was supposedly renowned for his building works, and magnificence, seems like desperation to me.
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moofy
moofy: @ghostgeek: No problem!

I don't know if it's necessarily desperation for 'proof' but probably more desperation for funding and to get more areas excavated, which is the biggest contention we see towards finding such artifacts. Both Islam and Judaism highly object to such excavations and there is a lot of bureaucratic stuff involved (which I actually agree with to a degree).

To me, some of it does seem a bit wishy-washy, but I think that's something I'm willing to be patient about. So I do think that the time period shouldn't be ruled out because there is a likely possibility more stuff will be found.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: It seems also that Omri and Ahab, kings of the later northern kingdom of Israel, were known to the Moabites and Assyrians but not Solomon.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Ghost: “As for King Solomon, this great king,…………… If he was floating about he didn't make much of an impression.”

Archeologists are inmspired by these stories. This is why they qwent looking for King Solomon’s mines and found them. They also know who was working in those mines by the bones they left behind. The mines weren’t gold – they were copper, and the copper trade was very well documented. The location was implied in scripture and that’s where it was found.

Chayi, King Solomon didn’t write a Book; there’s no Book of Solomon in the Torah - he was written about as an example. We have that king to thank for cutting down all the Cypress trees that grew in Israel and the south of Lebanon – people didn’t know much about environmental best practices then. Definitely made an impression.

Enough about King Solomon is described to know what sort of man he was – what more do you want? His kingdom was overthrown right after he died, and that’s a matter of public historical record, agreeing with the conquers.

They’ve also discovered what is now thought to be the location of the first temple – I think it was under a parking lot, not where one would have thought it should be on temple mount. It was very small by our standards, and certainly much more primitive than the second temple.
Ghost, do you know of any other news agency that published history in the bronze age? Religion has by far been the primary record keeper of ancient times.


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moofy
moofy: @Zanjan: I believe you misunderstood. King Solomon wrote the Book of Proverbs before 931 BC in Jerusalem. Mishlei is the book of Proverbs in Hebrew. King Solomon wrote two other books called Ecclesiastes and Song of Songs.
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