Who Believes in the Devil? (Page 48)

Zanjan: Ghost, it's the standard ratio of holy people to unholy people.

Zanjan: God gives everyone a fair chance; there's a window of time in which they can see for themselves. We all need reasonable experience to develop, given the vastly different environments individuals come from.

Then the window of learning closes rather quickly; the die has been cast. Perchance, at the last minute, you'll get rescued but it's not likely when you cut the edge that fine - not smart to tempt fate. If your time is up, your spots wont change like Bambi's did. If one has become a snake, no matter how many times a snake sheds its skin, it's always a snake.

Those who've missed the window perish by their own choice. Personally, I don't mind a snake or two - keeps you on your toes, but 8000 of them in my back yard is unacceptable. I will drive them out, just like St. Patty did.

Vanellion: Who says it isn't satan who gives us a nice and worthy life

Zanjan: You have such a long journey ahead of you, girl.

Vanellion: If i read the bible it brought a lot of questions above, if god is good why did he kill and who says it isn't the devil who gives us a good life while the one we suppose to think of is good is the bad one

Zanjan: God gave you a brain that you should learn to use it, not depend on others.

If you're interested in learning about God, then let HIM teach you. The student doesn't question the Master.

Vanellion: They do because is the master better then it's student or does he just pretend he is

Zanjan: Would you go to a doctor without knowing whether he was any good or not? The results of walking in blind is a hard-learned lesson. Your doctor/teacher is for you to decide, based on recommendations.

All the answers you seek are in the scriptures - I suggest you don't stop at one chapter or the first text book. The question you asked makes it sound like you haven't read what God said about that, repeatedly, in every book. You don't get knowledge through hearsay. Likewise, you can't teach yourself.

Zanjan: Nothing is ever free.

Satan has his attractions but they're short lived. When you sign a contract with him, you get what you want upfront, right now........enjoy it for 15 minutes. Then the devil collects - you owe a heavy debt you didn't realize was too high for you to cover. You've contracted beyond your means. This is an eternal debtors prison.

Conversely, when you sign a contract with God, you pay now, up front - that's also a high price; you've purchased with all that you've saved up - your heart, soul, money, mind, sweat and tears. What you want comes after you've paid. Nothingness in God is eternal freedom.

So, if the devil has captured you, your only release is to buy into God - only HE can rescue you.

Billie Ingle: When we we're created God wanted us to stay dumb and without any knowledge about the world around us, Satan thought this was unfair and stood up to god, Telling him that we should be able to think for ourselfs, Without someone pulling the strings like god.

God told Satan that we are his creation and he could do whatever he wanted to, Satan walked away in defeat not being able to get to the point, He heard god tell Adam and Eve about the three with the forbidden fruit, Satan knew for a fact that that three would give us knowledge, And shifted himself as a snake.

A somehow weak creature, A imperfection to the world, Satan went to Eve telling her about the fruit, That she would become just like god, Eve wanted to try and ate the fruit, Making her a sinner to the world, A imperfect being, Like God and Satan.

After God knew what happened he went to Satan, Outraged he threw Satan out of heaven, Telling him that Satan was nothing more that the worst creation, Satan promised from that day on that he would seek his revenge.

It has been a while, Some people were doomed, not living there lives perfect in the eyes of god they were abandoned, Making there souls roam the earth, Satan once again thought this was unfair, And opened up his gates to the roaming souls on the earth, For all those who weren't perfect in the eyes of god.

Satan has always told us to be ourselfs, And never follow the stream, Like i always say 'Only death fish follow the stream'

Satan represents me One way or another different, We are all sinners, We can't live our life's perfectly, So why not live it the way we want it to live.

Zanjan: If...... "God wanted us to stay dumb and without any knowledge about the world around us", that's exactly what would have happened - He's God, He made the strings. That's how you were when you were born.

Seeing as your spelling and grammar tells us your teacher should be flogged, you may actually end up like that too.

"So why not live it the way we want it to live."

Psst, we do.

duncan124:
So Zanjan, you do believe in a " Satan ".

"Satan has his attractions but they're short lived. When you sign a contract with him, you get what you want upfront, right now........enjoy it for 15 minutes. Then the devil collects - you owe a heavy debt you didn't realize was too high for you to cover. You've contracted beyond your means. This is an eternal debtors prison."

A personification of all that is evil that is the remains of a fallen angel according to the more modern parts of the Bible.

Zanjan: Yes, Satan is the personification of evil action - as such, it's not an entity. The name "Satan" literally means "adversary, one who resists". Only the self (ego) resists God - it's the enemy of man's higher nature.

Satan can pop up anytime - it's within, as the lower, crude nature. When it appears, the holy ones tell it to go away and, it does. Only the holy ones have that power.

In Judaism and Christianity, Satan isn't a fallen angel - Lucifer was a fallen angel. The name "Lucifer" literally means "morning star, or light-bringer". As you can see, the text refers to two different dynamics.

The names Satan and the devil have been used interchangeably but that's not actually correct - the devil describes temptation, not resistance.

The pagan "jinn", mentioned in the Quran, is the equivalent to Satan as the evil whisperer.

There are no modern parts to the Bible - there are only new interpretations; some of them are way off base. You don't need to know the original language to see that the translation is bereft of the knowledge of spiritual dynamics.

Vanellion: Satan is the name Lucifer got when he was band to the hell, you can't call evil bringer of light, so they named him Satan "Troublemaker or Enemy" . Satan is a fallen angel because it is Lucifer. Lucifer was a Seraphim, a heavenly soldier that fought next gods side. God found himself the ideal, the perfection because he created the humanity and thought he could abuse humans because they were from his hand.

Lucifer was against that he thought humans deserved respect if god wanted to be loved else people should fear and the whole opposite of what was wished should happen.

When God made Eve Lucifer decided to tempt her in eating the fruit to show god his creation wasn't so perfect, Eve ate the apple of Eden. Lucifer hid he was behind till god found out it was Lucifer, banned him to the depths of hell. Lucifer started a fight because he found he was punished totally unfair. God abused them Lucifer couldn't see that and stood up against god. God saw Lucifer as his enemy and a huge troublemaker, so he got banned, but Lucifer never did bad things he only wanted to show god that his creations weren't so perfect then he thought

duncan124:

I think the different names refer to different modus operandi.

I think in this age of science and satanic events we could do better than just blame the Christians for their shortcomings

I have seen and witnessed serious satanic occurrences and had to stand up in the courts of law and say," Yes, that is what I saw and here are the photos I took ".

That is enough of self-promotion. I really think Ghosts thread has backfired on him and he should be more careful not to promote what he claims to abhor.

Vanellion: I mean Satan, Lucifer, The Devil, Wrath it is all and the same person. Lucifer was Light-Bringer something that wasn't good too see as evil, so they said Satan which meant Enemy and Trouble maker. Lucifer is seen as bad because he knew to seduce Eve into doing something forbidden to show he was right

duncan124:
I agree. When the newspapers report the Police are looking for vandals who vandalized a church with buckets of paint they are usually referring to a personification by the name of his actions.

ghostgeek: Mmm ... I wonder who's the dumb one? Could it be the person who believes three contradictory stories about the birth of Jesus?

duncan124:

What do you mean by that??

Has it got anything to do with this thread??

I thought you meant, Well then, what about all this about the Devil? Do you believe in that??

Vanellion: Jesus was human and had to stop one of the most powerful Lucifer if that story is true i once rule the world

Zanjan: The word "Lucifer" is only mentioned once in the Bible - in context, it refers to a particular Babylonian king the ancients knew. They witnessed his rise and fall.

Don't we all know a few leaders who are megalomaniacs? The thing is, they started out as narcissists. Those people are like cats - if they make a mistake, they quickly recover and pretend it didn't happen, continuing on as normal. Our only reaction is a good chuckle.

Whereas, Lucifer doesn't fit that pattern.......he was just fine and quite wonderful until sucess and praise went to his head. In his case, he ended up abusing the power that was invested in him, resulting in serious damage. That, to me, sounds like a Covenant breaker - a person with a deadly spiritual disease. They're all the same. Once they fall, they never get back up.

It's very difficult to educate stubborn people.

Vanellion: Lucifer was not narcissistic, god was but when he was banned to hell Lucifer got the title as Prince of hell a big title he could reign over his own army didn't stand under someone else so also he got big in his head but they created him into a monster

Zanjan: Strange how some will turn the Bible into a magical fairy tale...in their own minds. I have a mind to leave them sitting there in the stench of their pathetic ignorance.

However, God says to convey the reality, then leave them to mull it over. They can't say no one told them. It doesn't concern me if they never get it because, near as I can tell, they're not interested anyway.

duncan124:
" The word "Lucifer" is only mentioned once in the Bible - in context, it refers to a particular Babylonian king the ancients knew. They witnessed his rise and fall. "

I think that means he was here before the Bible was finished.

And that he had won a part of humanity already.

ghostgeek: Lucifer is the Latin word for Venus, the morning star.