Who Believes in the Devil? (Page 99)

Aspect212
Aspect212:

ghostgeek, the disciples didn't claim to have seen a ghost. They affirmed the physicality of Jesus' resurrection. And about 100 percent of New Testament scholars today, whether they are theologically conservative or liberal, believe that the apostles believed Jesus' rose physically from the dead. See Gary Habermas' five minimal facts about Jesus which the vast majority of New Testament scholars accept.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: What would happen to New Testament scholars if they started saying that the Gospels could be Roman fiction? How long do you think they'd have a job?
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firstdown857
firstdown857: Ghost. How can u not believe in devil while following his footsteps?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I guess it comes from not believing in God.
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firstdown857
firstdown857: Eiether be follower of God or follower of devil .No third option
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: I'm sure the following will fall on deaf ears. Yet: I'll share it anyway I asked God If the devil existed many years ago. After over two weeks of unbelievable horror from non- natural sources, I'll never ask such a question nor question God Word again

Of course. I'm sure Ghost will deny anything spiritual can happen.
Which makes me question why Ghost would bother to pose such a question noting he already believes he has the answer?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Can the Devil exist without God? If the answer is no, then we have but one further question. Does God exist? Most everyone, throughout recorded history, have answered that question in the negative, so why should I be any different?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Hold the fort; time to open a window.

Firstdown: "Eiether be follower of God or follower of devil .No third option "

I'm not ordinarily picky with language but sometimes it creates misunderstandings so try to use the correct word for the right thing.

Nobody can be a follower of God - God is to be worshiped and obeyed, not followed.

When we follow someone, we're walking behind them. They're doing the leading - we're watching what they do because that person is our role model. We ought to know that we'll never be the same as that model or better. We can't walk in their shoes. So, we decide to be a helper.

I think the word you want is 'pursue', as in seek out. You choose your leader. You decide how you will help or aid and abet.

I say this because a lot of people think they can be as good as Christ or Muhammad. Others think they can be their own master. Neither of those is ever going to happen. One can only try to reach their own potential and how will they know what that is?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Ghost: "Can the Devil exist without God?"

That depends on what you think the devil is. Also depends on what you think God is.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: At this point in time, I'm thinking that both God and the Devil are mental constructs devised to stop people asking awkward questions.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Has it worked?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: A lot of people seem satisfied but there's always a hard core who need persecuting.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Shouldn't persecution make one dig the heels in deeper?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Persecution tends to do away with people's heels, along with the rest of them.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Everybody has to die, one way or the other. Rusting out on your bed isn't so fine and memorable as a glorious death. Few get that privilege to cheat the devil so beautifully.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Shame a glorious life doesn't rank as high as a glorious death.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: I'm not sure what a glorious life is supposed to be. Maybe it depends on how old you are and where you come from. I've had a few glorious moments; privately, snippets that only I can appreciate. Mostly, my life has been grueling.

I think most of us just want a happy life, nothing fancy. Those who like fancy, loaded with fun, never seem to be truly happy.
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Celestial Slayes
Celestial Slayes: You have 2 choices in life which are do you live your life as you want or would you live it as people tell you to live, we can choose do we live with a government and let them tell us what we need to do with our live ordo we say fuck it and we live as we want + 1 commandment was you shall not rob anyone from their freedom but what does the government telling us what we need to do?

We pay taxes, pay for a house, pay for food but why because nature gave us the opportunity to get our food, have a place to live so why in god sake do we pay for our food or a place to live when nature gave it we and nature isn't from anyone, it isn't if a tree grows we can say oh that is mine hands off because that tree grows in nature and it isn't from anyone only people are stupid and sorry I say it but we are to easy to manipulate because take for example I have gold and i diamonds telling you i want more gold than you get diamonds from me and most will say ok because diamonds are more pretty but gold is much more valuable because a diamond is still carbon which was pressed under so much pressure it ended into a diamond when gold is pure only most people should say you liar diamonds are worth more but wrong Only a highly prized diamond, like a very large stone or an unusual color, will hold its value or become more valuable over time.

Gold has its value in its weight while diamonds have their value in color & size but people can manipulate so badly that we can make others think diamonds are worth more and it is what makes if you have a good life which is glorious or not because do you let others step over you or do you have the guts to tell them fuck you and move on
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "do you live your life as you want or would you live it as people tell you to live"

Um....that's the same thing. That's what you get when you make a decision that YOU want. Neither is genuine freedom.

What do you want - to sit on yer duff all day while somebody else pays your way? Would you rather forage naked for your food, stalking the earth like the animals? Surely you must realize that to every advantage is a disadvantage because this earthly plane isn't a perfect world.

Word: Canadian Ice Diamonds and placier gold nuggets. Pretty as opals but gold and diamonds have practical, industrial uses too. Most valuable is plutonium - $4,000 per gram.

Instead of robbing nature, I purchased this tiny sapling so I own it. I cultured it carefully until it grew into a mature tree. Since it would not have survived without me, it owes me fruit and I own the fruit. If it doesn't give, then it will either see the axe or be ignored. If it bears fruit, I will continue to care for it so it can be a precious gift to the next owner.

True freedom is to abide by the Will of God, not your own. There's nothing glorious about belligerence and uncivilized language.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: If we knew what a glorious life was, we'd choose to live it. Meanwhile, everybody knows what a glorious death is without ever having experienced it.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: OK, just to make sure we're all on the same page, what is a glorious death?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Martyrdom. I'm surprised you asked. To prefer another's life over your own is a noble thing. It's the same for the life of the spirit.
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firstdown857
firstdown857: Muslims will versed in this matter
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Zanjan
Zanjan: No more than anyone else. We all know that some so-called Muslims think suicide is martyrdom.
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firstdown857
firstdown857: 3:169 And never think of those who have been killed in the cause of Allah as dead. Rather, they are alive with their Lord, receiving provision,

3:170 Rejoicing in what Allah has bestowed upon them of His bounty, and they receive good tidings about those [to be martyred] after them who have not yet joined them - that there will be no fear concerning them, nor will they grieve.

3:171 They receive good tidings of favor from Allah and bounty and [of the fact] that Allah does not allow the reward of believers to be lost -
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