Islam-- Way of life (Page 3)

ghostgeek
ghostgeek: So many devout people, all claiming to follow God's word and all so certain that only they know the truth. In reality, all they do is convince the non believer that there couldn't possibly be a god.
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Nuur25
Nuur25: @ chaki

First of all, you are a bit rude and cranky. Not to mention, you are lying to yourself, and this lie seems to be brainwashing others into believing this fallacy you presented. In the Quran, Jews have been mentioned in many places- mentioning their treacherous nature and pride that they have in them. Jews say that they are the chosen people of ALLAH and their ultimate reward is nothing but paradise. They claim that god will not enter anyone else in paradise other than them. Their self-esteem makes them superior, while non-Jewish people are inferior to them.

Look at this whopper of Jews.

ALLAH, the almighty states this verse in chapter 2:111

“They say, verily none shall enter paradise, except they who are Jews or Christians: This is their wish. Say, produce your proof of this, if ye speak truth.”

The above verse says that it is the jews and Christians who propose their own wishes as the command or will of ALLAH. While doing so, they forget to realize that they are only wronging themselves.

As Trueworld stated above, in Islam, you are not a true (Muslim) believer until you believe in all the books ( Towrah, Injeel, zabur and Furqan) revealed by Allah.

#your comment on the Quran. There is no deviation, or corruption in the quran. It’s the true word of god (Allah).

The Jews know that they have been told the truth, but they never dare to admit that the Quran is the true word of Allah. The last revelation from Allah (god) to Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) with clear verses, signs, evidences and a guidance.

I am gonna leave you with this last verse. Insha’allah, I hope you learn a lesson from it.

“(The Quran) is not a forgotten statement, but a confirmation of the Allah's existing Books [the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel) and other Scriptures of Allah] and a detailed explanation of everything and a guidance and a Mercy for the those who believe”
Surah Yusuf, chapter 12, verse no. 111


God knows best,


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chayim
chayim: The last prophet was Malachi, and God says there by the end of the book, that he is the last prophet that will be till the day of the Mushiach will come, and Eiliyuhi (Elijah) will come together with Mushiach (Messiah), Malachi was by the time when the first temple was destroyed, the prophecy ended when the temple was destroyed, and in the Torah says that it cannot be any prophet only from the Jews, the quran and muhamad is not true, and jesus is also not true

The Jews had 1,200,000 prophets, but only about 48 said prophecies for others and wrote a book, and it says in the prophecy book of Yeshiah (Issiah) that when Mushich will come all the Jews will be prophets boys a girls young and old
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StarryStarryNight
StarryStarryNight: I don't think any religion teaches their followers to look down on other religions or to look down on anyone - whether that person is a Christian, Muslim, Jew, atheist or whatever..

It's one thing to want to share your beliefs with others and invite them to learn more about one's faith. But it's quite another to go about it by criticizing the other person's beliefs. I think this thread started out very wrong.

If you would like to share about Islamic teachings, then do just that. There's no need to start in a manner that puts down non-Muslims. If you believe there's a God, then we are all God's creations. And if you love God, you have to love His creations too by being considerate and kind.

In fact, you have great examples in how Prophet Muhammad himself respected other religions. For instance, he stood up as a sign of respect for a Jewish funeral procession.

A funeral procession passed in front of the Prophet and he stood up. When he was told that it was the coffin of a Jew, he said, "Was he not a living being (soul)?" (Bukhari Book #23, Hadith #399)

If you believe there is a God, then only He can judge. No one else can. And if God can hold His Judgement till Judgement Day, why pass judgement on others on His behalf here and now? Only God can see the purity of a person's heart. In fact, it has been recorded that it was the kindness of a prostitute that got her into paradise. She was not religious, but it was God who ultimately decided she was worthy of paradise because of her kind deeds.

There was a dog moving around a well whose thirst would have killed it. Suddenly a prostitute happened to see it and she drew water in her shoe and made it drink,and she was pardoned because of this. (Muslim, Book #026, Hadith #5579)



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chayim
chayim: Do you know the concept of "God's chosen" ? and this is Judaism
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Nuur25
Nuur25: @first step
I don't think you know well the person who is undermining other religions in this thread. Since this thread started, we have been answering all questions from our commentators in a respectful and timely fashion manner. We do respect all beliefs.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Trueword: “The issue you face here is that you have stopped at the Torah, when in fact you must also take the leap in accepting the Qur'an to be a true follower of Moses.”

I have no disagreement with that statement; however, it’s amusing because Muslims have also stopped (at the Quran), as you’ve have said.

“Ghost: “Every religion makes the same claim, that only they know the truth.”

Not exactly. Every Prophet of God has said that all truth is with God and emanates from Him; as the Source of all truth, He bestows it on whomever He pleases. So, let’s ask this question again - who is the owner of truth?

One thing is same in all of God’s religions – belief in the last day and coming of the Messiah, Prophet of God. Always, there are a few bands of people that don’t believe future Prophets will appear but they’re the minority. The truth is in God’s Word, and I see that’s its always consistent – people aren’t.

Why have all religious adherents memorized these verses? God says the same thing in every Holy Book – “Do not hold others in contempt”. Should He have to repeat Himself, if people had not forgotten why?


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moofy
moofy: Chayi:

Once again, you do not speak for Judaism and many of your statements have absolutely nothing to do with Jewish theology, but your own point of view.
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moofy
moofy: "Jews say that they are the chosen people of ALLAH and their ultimate reward is nothing but paradise."
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The idea of the 'chosen people' is very simple: Jews chose to observe the 613 commandments and are bound by this contract.

This doesn't mean non-Jews are denied any ultimate reward because they aren't Jewish.

Jews don't proselytize (outside of Chayi and his very non-Jewish notions), because we don't believe an individual HAS to be Jewish in order to be a righteous individual.

Choseness reflects this ideal.
One can choose to remain 'unchosen,' to remain who they are.

The claim is often distorted and used as a reasoning to embody hatred towards Jews, but how many other beliefs also make the same claim (several) and never questioned?

The idea is that by observing commandments and trying to gain closeness to G-d, a person in turn realizes their own insignificance in the scope of the universe. In essence, humility.

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"They claim that god will not enter anyone else in paradise other than them. Their self-esteem makes them superior, while non-Jewish people are inferior to them."
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I don't know who told you this, but it is absolutely false.
Re-quoting this, since I mentioned it in another post:

Non-Jews were welcome to bring offerings to the Holy Temple in Jerusalem, which the prophet Isaiah referred to as a "house for all nations." And King Solomon specifically asked G-d to heed the prayer of non-Jews who come to the Temple (1-Kings 8:41-43).

Judaism claims no monopoly on G-d and a person does not need to become Jewish to reach high spiritual levels. Judaism has no concept of "non-Jews going to hell."

The Talmud (Sanhedrin 58b) presents seven pillars of humanity and Maimonides explains that any human being who faithfully observes these earns a proper place in heaven.

The Talmud says humans are all descended from one couple, Adam and Eve, to teach that we are all brothers. In a national sense as well, Judaism says all of the 70 nations must function together, just as the various organs work together in a body.

All are necessary and play an integral part in that "being" called humanity. We are all in it together, and if we can learn to work together and respect each other, it will be a far different world.

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“They say, verily none shall enter paradise, except they who are Jews or Christians: This is their wish. Say, produce your proof of this, if ye speak truth.”

The above verse says that it is the jews and Christians who propose their own wishes as the command or will of ALLAH. While doing so, they forget to realize that they are only wronging themselves.
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This is actually just Christianity.
I already provided you with excerpts, but I'd be happy to provide citations as well.
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Nuur25
Nuur25: @moofy

I don't make things up on my own without a proof.

Allah (god) states that Jews and Christians claim that god will only enter them paradise excluding people of other beliefs.

Allah states this verse in the Quran

" وَقَالُوا لَن يَدْخُلَ الْجَنَّةَ إِلَّا مَن كَانَ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَارَىٰ تِلْكَ أَمَانِيُّهُمْ قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ "

“They say, verily none shall enter paradise, except they who are Jews (hoodan) or Christians: This is their wish. Say, produce your proof of this, if ye speak truth.” Chapter 2, surah 2, verse 111.

This verse is talking about both Jews and Christians. in addition, I see you and chaki disagreed on some areas as you mentioned above . The quran does mention this dispute between Jews and Christians over the scripture that god gave to moses and Jesus (peace be upon them).


2: 113 " And the Jews say the Christians follow nothing (true), and the Christians say the Jews follow nothing (true); yet both are readers of the Scripture. Even thus speak those who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that wherein they differ"

in the same surah (chapter) again>>> chapter2 Allah, the exalted states this verse :

"And they say: Be Jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Nay, but (we follow) the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters. (135) Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered. (136) And if they believe in the like of that which ye believe, then are they rightly guided. But if they turn away, then are they in schism, and Allah will suffice thee (for defence) against them. He is the Hearer, the Knower. (137)".

The Quran is NOT a false scripture, but a true word of Allah.

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chayim
chayim: No, chosen doesn't mean only that they do 613 commands, false, it means that only they have God's spirit and image and are one with God, and even a Jew that doesn't keep the 613 commands loses his chosen state, and he loses God's image and spirit
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Think of the freedom one gains when one puts aside the constraints of religion. No doing this, no doing that and no fear of the future. Just the total freedom to be oneself.
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chayim
chayim: Sorry, but to me only Judaism is freedom
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Fair enough Chayi, but to me it sounds like slavery.
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chayim
chayim: But to me it's kingdom
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I believe you Chayi, it's just that I don't believe you're right.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Moofy: "Jews chose to observe the 613 commandments and are bound by this contract."

You remember how all contracts work, don't you? Basically, it's "If you do this, then I'll do that - agreed?" If one of the parties doesn't hold up their end of the bargain, the contract is automatically dissolved.

As you describe it, if a Jew neglects to observe even one of those commandments, the contract is broken so, he should not expect anything from God in return. If a Jew breaks the contract, God is released of His side of the deal.

Conversely, if one decides not to be a Jew, they're no longer bound by that contract. This is not to say they can't choose to take up a new contract with God through another religion. Thus, they join the chosen of that religion IF they abide by God's Will.

I thought this topic was about Islam, not Judaism.

Nuur, I guess you don't think it's a very weird to type in script other posters can't read. Good thing Wireclub isn't charging you a fee by the line.

God chooses whom He pleases - His claim is on the heart, not names.

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moofy
moofy: My father's family is Syrian. I think I can handle the language aspect.

Breaking a contract does not release you from it. It actually causes a penalty as a result.

I didn't bring up Judaism: Chayi did technically and I elaborated on some of his statements (which of course don't line up with Orthodox theology).
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TrueWord
TrueWord: @ Zanjan, Moofy

Yes, indeed the topic did deviate; although it was due to the intervention of Chayi, which was a good discussion and required necessary responses.

Nevertheless, as to jump back on track, the original/initial discussion was in regards to Islam being a way of life. This is essentially general, however, much discussion can be derived from this root.

Prior to the discussion shown above, "the purpose of life" was discussed with scriptural evidence.

At this point, such a discussion (or equivalent) would perhaps be more of a benefit.

Should anyone wish to bring up a relevant topic to Islam or have any concerns/questions, please feel free to proceed...


Thanks,
TrueWord
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chayim
chayim: Once someone became Jewish by converting, or born Jewish, he can never go out of Judaism, if he neglects even all 613 commands, he suffers and gets or will get punished for it, but remains under Judaism
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chayim
chayim: Everything what i say is the true Judaism (ultra orthodox), and moofy is a pure simple liar, she doesn't keep anything in Judaism, and she doesn't have the knowledge and cult and spirit of Judaism, her spirit and life is like non Jewish totally, she's even married to a non Jew, a terrible sin in Judaism, everything what she writes about Judaism is what she looks up websites
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chayim
chayim: The last prophet was Malachi, and God says there by the end of the book, that he is the last prophet that will be till the day of the Mushiach will come, and Eiliyuhi (Elijah) will come together with Mushiach (Messiah), Malachi was by the time when the first temple was destroyed, the prophecy ended when the temple was destroyed, and in the Torah says that it cannot be any prophet only from the Jews, the quran and muhamad is not true, and jesus is also not true

The Jews had 1,200,000 prophets, but only about 48 said prophecies for others and wrote a book, and it says in the prophecy book of Yeshiah (Issiah) that when Mushich will come all the Jews will be prophets boys a girls young and old
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chayim
chayim: It says there in the Torah, that God said to Abraham, isaac is the blessed son, but i will also bless Yishmueil because he's your son also, and you prayed for him so will bless him also, but the main blessing and pact was with isaac and his children

What it is mentioned the mount Paran, it means that when God came to give the Torah on the mount sinai, he went trough the mount Paran to ask the children of Yishmueil if they want to accept God's words, and they asnwered; no, and he went further to mount sinai to the Jews

No true prophets were never only by the Jews that they are holy and live in God's 613 commands, and God himself spoke to them, because God is holy and he does not appear his presence only to to who is holy
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