Is There Something Wrong with the Concept of God? (Page 4)

ghostgeek: Think about it. If a person claimed to be in contact with the Easter Bunny, would you wonder if they had a screw loose? What if they told you it hopped into their room every night and started talking about carrot cake? What if no one else could see or hear it? Would you call for the nice men in white coats to come and lend a hand? I'm thinking you might. Now consider someone else, who claims to talk with God. Only they can see and hear the Deity. Do we consider them blessed or fit only for the loony bin?

ghostgeek: My point is this. If you can't tell something exists, why shouldn't it be the sane thing to do to doubt it's reality. Sounds sensible to me. It can be the new concept of God. Not taken seriously unless proven to exist. What do you say?

orkanen: You'll never reach him like that, Ghost. The best you can do is make him explain how he perceives his god, how he interacts with it.

Zanjan: I say there are already three topics on whether or not God exists. I ask, could we keep this one to our perspective of God?

You can't have a concept of God if you don't believe God exists. But you can hear/read what others say about God and decide for yourself it that sounds like a God-like thing. I mean, would it be what you think a God should be? Would you even want a God?

Blackshoes: Interesting point of view ? They say Dark energy n' Dark Matter exist ? Yet; no one has seen either one ?

Proof is subject to the Judgment of the observer of the Evidence given !
Bobby Blackshoes

Luke

4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,



6:39 And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

orkanen: What is the relevancy between dark energy and matter, and something being wrong with the concept of God?, Blackshoes?

Blackshoes: Romans

3:1. What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

3:2. Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

3:3. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

orkanen: So there is no relevancy between them, just useless dogma. That's what I thought.

Blackshoes: Thinking has never been your strong point

orkanen: So enlighten me, Blackshoes. What is the relevancy between dark energy and matter, and something being wrong with the concept of God?

ghostgeek: As you say Blackshoes, Dark Energy and Dark Matter are not visible, hence their names. These terms have come about to describe things unseen, acting out there in space. It has been observed that the galaxies and clusters of galaxies move gravitationally as if they contain much more mass than is visible. Also, it has been discovered that about 5 billion years ago the rate of expansion of the Universe began to increase. Scientists have conjectured Dark Energy and Dark Matter into being to explain these observations. Time will tell if they're right.

trust1g4e: ghostgeek you talk real big for someone who only been around in life for such a short time, and know next to nothing about the earth how much less the universe, do you really think you can figure out God who created it all? Maybe it would be in your best interest to be quick to hear and slow to speak.

ghostgeek: Perhaps you should offer a little more evidence supporting your own position Trust. Actually, any evidence would do. How about it?

ghostgeek: Zanjan has posed an interesting question. Can you have a concept of God if you don't believe God exists. Mmmm... personally I can't see why not? Constructing a mental image of something imaginary is surely quite possible? For example, most of us can probably visualise in our mind a unicorn, without necessarily believing that such a creature exists. Of course, as I never tire from pointing out, I do not state that God doesn't exist, only that we have no evidence that He does. Unfortunately, believers are rather partial to a world of black and white where, if you don't state emphatically that God exists, you are branded an atheist. A world where there are no shades of grey.

trust1g4e: What's wrong is the reference to God as being a concept, He is an existing living entity, who created all things, and through Christ He has reconciled all things back to Himself, that means all who put their trust in Him.

ghostgeek: Trust, you say God exists but you offer not one scrap of proof to back up your assertions. Do you also believe in unicorns, mermaids and fairies? What about aliens? Maybe a giant snake entwined around the world? The best one can say about the concept of God is that it isn't proven. Can you refute me?

ghostgeek:

ghostgeek: Now, to get back to the topic of this thread, let me ask a question. Why do so many people think there is only one god; that is, God? Does it say this at the beginning of the Bible? Actually, no? What it does say is that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Nothing, you'll note, about Him being alone. In fact, if you read on a little ways, you'll see God saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness." Read a little further and God says, "Behold, the man is become as one of us." Now a common and garden reading of these lines would suggest that God was talking to somebody other than Himself. Of course, some people claim that God was using the "Royal We" but I believe that this was a much later use of the term, from around the time of Ceasar Augustus. So what does that leave us with? Ah yes, of course, that good old standby the angels. OK, so where do we get told in Genesis about God creating angels? What we do get told about are the Sons of God lusting after the daughters of Man. Yes, that's what it says, not the sons of Cain marrying the daughters of Seth but the Sons of God taking human wives. Now, should that not be enough for you, just consider that God has a divine council where all the heavenly host come to confer. Yes, and who do we see popping in? Why our old friend Satan. It's all there, in the Book of Job, so no need to believe me.

chay chayi: Are you blind ?? in many places in the bible says clear that there is only one God, and he created everything

ghostgeek: Look Chayiii, according to you God gave the Book of Genesis to Moses. I only repeat what it says in the english translation. In it God is clearly talking to somebody else. What God is not saying in it is that He is on His own. That is the message of God so accept it.

chay chayi: It says many times in the bible, that there is only one God that created everthing

ghostgeek: OK, quote one.

chay chayi: First quote
The beginning of the bible, that God created Heavens and Earth, and everything in it

ghostgeek: Yes, agreed, God made Heaven and Earth but my copy doesn't say "and everything in it". It certainly doesn't say anything about who He was addressing when He made Man. Try again.

chay chayi: He was talking to the Angels he created in the second day