Baha'u'llah was NOT a Prophet of Allah (God). The Bahi Faith is a deviant sect.

TrueWord: Baha'u'llah was NOT a Prophet of Allah (God):

TrueWord: Baha'u'llah was NOT a Prophet of Allah (God) - he was an imposter. The Bahi faith is a deviated faith of the Islamic religion and please do not fall into the deception.

The scholars have agreed that anyone who believes in a Prophet after Muhammed (peace be upon him), has fell into a state of "disbelief".

Let us recall the Hadith where Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) warned that The Last Hour won't come until thirty imposters would claim they are the messenger of Allah:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) as saying: "The Last Hour would not come until there would arise about thirty impostors, liars, and each one of them would claim that he is a messenger of Allah. " [Sahih Muslim]


Therefore, let us not fall into this deception as the Bahi faith is a deviated faith that was innovated in the early 1800s. The Bahi faith is an outgrowth of Shi'ism.

The message of Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) was COMPLETE. By a person following the Bahi faith, they imply that Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) did not complete his message - which is "disbelief" in Islam.

Prophet Mohammed (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not die before he had shown the correct path clearly to his ummah [nation] and informed them of everything they need to know. At the end of the last Hajj [pilgrimage] performed by the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) there was revealed the aayah [verse] (interpretation of the meaning) in which Allah says:

“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3]


Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) also warned that there would be 73 sects of the Islamic religion, in which all of them would be in the fire (hellfire) and only one would be saved. Which path is that? The path which Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) and his companions were upon. See the Hadith below:


Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) said: "...my Ummah (nation) will divide into 73 sects, all of them are in the hellfire, and one of them is in paradise." We (the companions) asked "which one is saved?" The Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "the one which is upon that which me and my companions are on." [Tirmizi 2565]


Now, for those who are of the Bahi faith, are you going to reply back with an argument; or are you going to rationally and sincerely take heed of this Hadith and the prior Hadiths and Verses of Allah that were mentioned above?


I ask Allah to guide all to the straight path and protect all from being part of any deviated sect. Ameen.

Zanjan: Three times you've misspelled the name "Baha'i". You've even spelled Muhammad wrong a couple times.


"Prophet Mohammed... had shown the correct path clearly to his ummah [nation] and informed them of everything they need to know."


Muhammad told them but some didn't hear much of it. They didn't seem to know who was to succeed Muhammad because they fought over it right after His last breath. They divided in two, and of those two, splintered off many more. Muslim killed Muslim in this struggle, knocking off the line of spiritually appointed leaders.

"Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) also warned that there would be 73 sects of the Islamic religion,"

Muslims around the world agree that the number of sects of Islam currently stands at 73 but this doesn't include Baha'i's. So, it looks like only you think Baha'is are Muslims. We are not. How long is that last hour you're on? As long as the Christian last hour?

"The scholars have agreed that anyone who believes in a Prophet after Muhammed (peace be upon him), has fell into a state of "disbelief". "

Apparently, you hold what scholars say as having more authority than what Muhammad said.

"Let us recall the Hadith where Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) warned that............"

Muhammad revealed only one Holy Book in His lifetime - that was not the hadith, which didn't exist until long after His death - impossible for Him to say anything in it.

What do you think of The Great Announcement? A change of some sort, perhaps?

Do you recall Revelations? All the Prophets wore the Seal of God; there were seven Seals altogether; and after all these Holy Books were opened, the trumpets blow. Generally, they announce the appearance of.......... what do you think?

Jesus didn't complete His message either - He said "I have more to tell you but you can't bear it now". Neither Jesus or Muhammad spoke of the world we know today because it would have been far beyond them and utterly senseless.

Their people weren't ready for that; BUT, these Prophets both gave the world what it needed at the time. Each religion was perfect in its Day - too bad so many fell short of them.

I take heed to the Verses of God, not gossip and interpretations by mere mortals. I trust in God, not men.

ghostgeek: Surely, God long ago did away with the need for prophets? Did not Jeremiah say, amongst much else, that the Lord declared:

33 “... I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

You should not look in old books for answers but inside yourself. Perhaps then all this nonsense about who follows the true religion can be consigned to the dustbin of history.

Zanjan: Clearly, not all people know the Lord, and many, self-admittedly, don't believe in Him either. So, these verses must point to a select group of individuals.

Jeremiah was one of the lesser Prophets of the House of Israel, speaking to Jews. His ministry began 625 years before Christ, and he wasn't the last of Jewish Prophets. As you can see, there is nothing stating there will never be another Prophet.

These verses convey that the individuals became changed. This theme is repeated throughout all of God's religions so that's not news. However, this is future tense, indicating it wasn't happening at the time it was spoken.

Who are these individuals?

They've been called 'the elect', God's chosen ones.....no names mentioned. To be clear, they're dubbed 'the elect' AFTER they've become changed. This is a condition. When a Prophet appears, He's the Teacher; everybody else is a student; however, those who've recognized their Master are His disciples, eager to be exemplars of faith.

Ghost, I wouldn't discard Books since we need history to tell us where we've come from so we know where we need to go. I agree the Books are only the map; religion is a group of like-minded souls but Faith gives us spiritual strengths that mark our milestones of individual progress towards God.

Zanjan: "Perhaps then all this nonsense about who follows the true religion can be consigned to the dustbin of history."

If looking inside yourself was all it took, that would have happened long before now. There are other prophecies in the Bible like Jeremiahs but speak to a much grander scale in terms of oneness of faith. For example, permanent world peace - the end of war - everyone has to be on board with that, right? The Most Great Peace is another one, a universal spiritual peace as well.

When that Age of enlightenment, refinement, and maturity opens to mankind, the Age of Prophecy is over because it's THIS particular end, THIS advanced civilization that all the Prophets foresaw.

In 1863, Baha'u'llah made His announcement, ushering in a new Age, which is that of the Lesser Peace - that is, we're all moving towards a permanent end to war; this is the New World Order God is rolling out for us. This is the Day mankind learns the meaning of unity, a Day, Baha'u'llah says, which will never be followed by night, as it was in the past. BIG stuff.

Of course it was shocking to hear that at the time but I think you can see for yourself what has led to glimmerings of how it has become an imperative now, and most certainly is inevitable.

TrueWord: Zanjan, funny how you pointed out spellings as if it is the most important matter, but rather failed to comprehend the important content mentioned. Also, regarding the spelling, they really should be spelled in Arabic, so you should note that all we speak are transliterations.

It is really sad when a Muslim argues against the words of the Allah and His messenger (peace be upon him).

I gave you Hadith and verses from the Qur'an and you played with them and twisted them to meet your desires. You should study the Islamic religion on a more rational level instead of indulging in your desires. The message of Mohammad (peace be upon him) was the final message. It is clearly evident that Baha'u'llah was an impostor as the statement of the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) is clear where he stated that 30 impostors/liars would say they are messengers of Allah following his death (peace be upon him).


Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) said: "...my Ummah (nation) will divide into 73 sects, all of them are in the hellfire, and one of them is in paradise." We (the companions) asked "which one is saved?" The Messenger Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "the one which is upon that which me and my companions are on." [Tirmizi 2565]

How can you ignore this Hadith? How can you follow something that has been deviated from the straight path? Islam came down as the FINAL message of Allah (God) and the matter was sealed at the time of Prophet Mohammad's (peace be upon him) death.

Again, Allah said:

“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3]


Are you going to ignore what Allah said in the verse?? Allah said he has chosen ISLAM as our religion, NOT Baha'i".


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Lastly, see below for my responses to your comments:


YOU STATED:
1) "Muhammad told them but some didn't hear much of it. They didn't seem to know who was to succeed Muhammad because they fought over it right after His last breath. They divided in two, and of those two, splintered off many more. Muslim killed Muslim in this struggle, knocking off the line of spiritually appointed leaders. "

REPLY:
Prophet Muhammad completed his message. There were those who rejected him, others who refuted him, and others who ignored him by plugging their ears. There were those who believed in his revelation and those who did not. What does this have to do with anything? The point was that he completed his message to the Muslim Ummah (nation).


YOU STATED:
2) "Muslims around the world agree that the number of sects of Islam currently stands at 73 but this doesn't include Baha'i's. So, it looks like only you think Baha'is are Muslims. We are not. How long is that last hour you're on? As long as the Christian last hour? "

REPLY:
I never said Baha'is are Muslims. The fact is that the "73 sects of Islam" does not mean that all of those sects are considered Muslims. A sect that would fall into the category of the 73 sects would be considered any deviated way from the straight path. For example, Sufism is a deviated sect of Islam and considered as one of the 73 sects, but they are still Muslims because they do not commit Shirk (associate any partners with God or violate any of the aqeedah(creed) laws). However, if we consider another deviated sect like the Rawafid (extreme shi'ism sect) which openly curses the Prophet and the companions, then here they are also considered one of the 73 sects of Islam that Prophet Mohammad prophasized however they would not be considered Muslims because they are violating one of the aqeedah (creed) laws which is cursing the Prophet and his companions. Similarly, with the Baha'i faith, they are also considered one of the 73 sects of Islam that Prophet Mohammad prophasized but they are not considered Muslim because they violate one of the aqeedah laws which is the belief of another Prophet following Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him). The bottom line is, the 73 sects of Islam mentioned in the Hadith refers to any deviance from the straight path, whether the sect ends up outside the fold of Islam or remains in the foundations of Islam. So now that you understand this, know that there will be 73 sects, in which one 1 will be accepted - that path is the path of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) and his companions.


YOU STATED:
3) "Apparently, you hold what scholars say as having more authority than what Muhammad said. "

REPLY:
Both Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) and the greatest scholars of Islam have stated and implied that the belief in any other Prophet after Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) is disbelief in Islam. Why are you arguing this point anyway? I thought you agreed and acknowledged that the Baha'is are not Muslims? One thing I noticed about you Zanjan, is that you seem to want to refute everything a person says, even if you may agree with it or not. It is very weird and in my opinion an arrogant and irrational approach. Please humble yourself in front of Allah (God) and do not do this. Disputing and arguing arrogantly and/or without knowledge is the worst thing you can do.


YOU STATED:
4) "Muhammad revealed only one Holy Book in His lifetime - that was not the hadith, which didn't exist until long after His death - impossible for Him to say anything in it."

REPLY:
Nevertheless, you still continue to ignore the words of Allah in which He states:

“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3]



YOU STATED:

5) "Jesus didn't complete His message either - He said "I have more to tell you but you can't bear it now". Neither Jesus or Muhammad spoke of the world we know today because it would have been far beyond them and utterly senseless."

Yes, this is stated in John 16:12, and indeed Jesus did not complete his message which was the purpose and mission of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) - to complete the message to all of humanity. Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) completed his mission and revealed Allah's message that is universal for all times and places. It applies to the past, present, and future. AGAIN, I can't quote this verse enough because you are completely dismissing it:

Allah says:
“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3]

This is a clear indication from Allah (God) that Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) completed his message..


YOU STATED:
6) "I take heed to the Verses of God, not gossip and interpretations by mere mortals. I trust in God, not men."

REPLY:
If this is true, then you would consider the verse that I have repeated numerous times, in which Allah states the He has completed His favour upon us [the message was completed by Mohammad (peace be upon him)]:

Allah says:
“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3]

ghostgeek: Prophets, prophets, prophets. Here the two of you are, squabbling over who is and who isn't a prophet, yet neither of you have established that even one true prophet has ever lived. I ask this in all sincerity, has anybody actually proven Mohammad to be a prophet? Yes, I know he claimed to be hearing the Angel Gabriel speaking the words of God to him, but has anybody shown this to be true? I mean, research on the experiences of the general population has shown that lots of people hear voices, and the majority of them are not mentally unwell. It is a common human experience. So why should we believe that Mohammad was different, or Baha'u'llah for that matter?

ghostgeek: Zanjan, if Jeremiah said God was going to be toddling along with a new covenant shortly, some six hundred years before Christ, surely you're not saying we're all still waiting? So if God kept His word, and engraved His laws on every Jew's heart and in every mind, there will be no need for any more prophets, no need for religious books of instruction, indeed no need for religion, ever again. Each Jew will be born with everything they need to know about God and go to the grave with it. How they handle that information will be up to them. The only question left to be answered is what happens to all us non Jews? Do we share in God' bounty or will we be ignored, totally and forever? I guess the answer to that is inside you. If God's word wasn't ringing in your head since the day you were born I can only conclude that we've all been abandoned. So forget what any so-called prophet has said after Jeremiah. It is all false. There is no salvation for us. Indeed, there is absolutely nothing waiting for us at all.

Still want to believe in prophets?

Zanjan: Trueword: "What does this have to do with anything? The point was that he completed his message to the Muslim Ummah (nation)."

You had already made your own point - it was my turn to do the same. The point *I* was making was not about that. It was this -> The straight path is not divided or splintered into sects. "Submission to God" doesn't break the cup.

A "sect" is denomination of a religion. Has nothing to do with violating any laws or what your opinion is of them. No Muslim or dictionary disagrees with that, just you.

Show me Muhammad's words -> In the Quran <- where He said there will never be another Prophet! You cant do that because they don't exist. He never said such a thing. People demand evidence, not opinions. Thankfully, we can all read the Quran and see for ourselves.

You wrote: "Allah states the He has completed His favour upon us"

Yep, and that's all you get - not a drop more. You're frozen in Arabia. I have the right to choose freely my own belief. So do you. From what I see of your postings, I hope you stay in your religion. Your faith appears to be weak.

Zanjan: Ghost: "yet neither of you have established that even one true prophet has ever lived."

Would you settle for JUST a Prophet? We can certainly establish that Baha'u'llah lived - it wasn't so long ago - the camera had been invented then. He also wrote letters to every King, Queen and President of every country. He even wrote to the Pope. We have locks of His hair and fingernail clippings, His resting place....do you need more than that?

"So why should we believe that Mohammad was different, or Baha'u'llah for that matter? "

Most crazy people don't sell books like they did. Muslims weren't allowed to portray an image of Muhammad but Arabians wrote of Him.....there was a lot of physical battles between the tribes and He united them - hard to miss that note in history. Baha'u'llah was a Prince of the Sassanian Dynasty in Persia - they kept peerage records, you know. Even the Russian Embassy knew Him; diplomats kept records as they were trying to get Baha'u'llah released from prison.

Zanjan: Ghost: "So if God kept His word, and engraved His laws on every Jew's heart and in every mind, there will be no need for any more prophets"

Who said they would be Jews? Not Jeremiah, not God. As for waiting, some gave up and wandered off, others still wait, some moved on and got a new covenant anyway. I mean, it was offered, right? God will always be about religion, faith, virtue, love and lifestyle - it's a Cause. As long as there are those who've learned the lessons of the past, those same will be ready for new lessons. We learn until our last breath..........well, some of us do.

"The only question left to be answered is what happens to all us non Jews?"

Nothing to worry about - just keep your own nose to the grindstone, make lots of friends, and some of their bounty is bound to spill over on you. They change society, you'll get to see that and reap its benefits even if you don't deserve it. The rain falls on the high and low alike.

" Indeed, there is absolutely nothing waiting for us at all"

Sounds as if you might need to call the helpline - are you suffering from depression?

Islam111: BaarakAllah feek TW akhi.. sincere efforts for the sake of Allah will never go to waste, and in the end, Hidayah is in His Hands, we ask Him to continue to guide us always, ameen!

Zanjan: God has said "ALL are God's servants" .

In this Day, one thing is certain - if one doesn't respond to the Revelations of God while in this world, they most certainly will in the next because we've informed them. None can say they didn't know. What a gift!

Such an amazing time we live in - God has finally brought mankind to the knowledge of all His religions so as not to miss anything! First time ever - what better day could anyone have expected?


By the way, Ghost, I wasn't mocking what you said - just wanted to convey that such an abysmal outlook is abnormal when there is bounty all around you.

Islam111: ...

ghostgeek: Zanjan, I wouldn't for one moment doubt that Baha'u'llah lived, the same with Mohammad. That doesn't mean either served as an intermediary between a supernatural or divine being and humanity. If somebody told me the moon was made of green cheese I'd be inclined to ask them to prove their claim. Likewise, if somebody claimed to be a prophet of God I'd expect them to substantiate their assertion. So Zanjan, as you seem to know so much about Mohammad, please explain to me what corroborates his claim to have heard the Angel Gabriel speaking to him. And as a footnote, hearing voices does not require a person to be crazy.

Now about that little difficulty we're having establishing who said what. According to Jeremiah 31:33 the Lord said this:

“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts."

Now I'm sure you're just itching to correct me on this, but it is my belief that when the Old Testament talks about the "people of Israel" it is referring to the Jews. And when it speaks of the "Lord" it means God. So it is my understanding that the Jews were going to get God's new covenant. Now, as not everybody back then was a Jew, it seems that a lot of people ended up with God's wisdom not being decanted into them. See, that's the trouble with not being one of God's people. You just don't count.

TrueWord: Zanjan,

You seem to have ignored what Allah stated in the Qur'an:

"Muhammad is the father of no man among you. He is the Apostle of God and the Seal of the Prophets. Surely God has knowledge of all things." [Surat Al-Ahzaab 33: 40]

It clearly states that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is the seal of all prophets. Will you deny the words of Allah?

TrueWord: Zanjan,

YOU STATED:
"Show me Muhammad's words -> In the Quran <- where He said there will never be another Prophet! You cant do that because they don't exist. He never said such a thing. People demand evidence, not opinions. Thankfully, we can all read the Quran and see for ourselves."


I have just shown the verse from the Quran that states there will never be another Prophet. I just posted it above and will post again here:

"Muhammad is the father of no man among you. He is the Apostle of God and the Seal of the Prophets. Surely God has knowledge of all things." [Surat Al-Ahzaab 33: 40]


Zanjan, will you NOW believe the Muhammad was the Last Prophet and Seal of Prophethood? If you accept this, then please take the Shahadah (testimony of faith), and I will help you do it if you wish.

Zanjan: Ghost, it's a curious thing you DON'T doubt that Muhammad lived - why not? Yet you doubt Jesus lived......but not Moses or Krishna?

"as a footnote, hearing voices does not require a person to be crazy."

True, neither does answering them because some people can pick that up telepathically at times. I certainly have. My pets can sometimes read my mind, especially if I visualize the thought.

I don't doubt for a second that the Angel Gabriel could have spoken to Muhammad; Baha'u'llah chose to speak to me, and that's proof enough for me that if they want to speak to you, nobody can stop them. However, this is not proof of Prophethood - there's a LOT more involved than that - some very special requirements for a High Prophet. You should become familiar with at least a few of them.

As for that verse, check out a similar one by Moses and Jesus, also more ancient Books.

The Lord: Most use "Lord" and "God" interchangeably (like spirit & soul) because it's all the same to them, despite having been taught the use of this designation applies to landlord, judge or king. Lord means "owner and ruler of".

There's a reason scripture uses that word instead of God; a high Prophet of God is the Lord of the Age, which has a dispensation over which particular social rules apply, and given time for mankind to learn and understand particular lessons. All Prophets have a Covenant.

I think you know as well as I do that a wisdom can be memorized but learning it doesn't come from any book. If that weren't true, people who've read them wouldn't keep making the same mistakes over again.

Zanjan: Trueword, of course Muhammad was the Seal of the Prophets - I explained that to you already but you keep arguing against it.

No, you didn't show me any words in the Quran that say "God will never send another Prophet to mankind".

Furthermore, if there was to be no more Prophets, you'll have to deny why all Muhammad's male descendants had to wear green turbans. Every Muslim knows it was because the Qiam would arise from that lineage to herald the end of Islam's dispensation. You can't escape the fact some people read the Encyclopedia Britannica, which describes the Mahdi.

No more discussion on that subject from me. Please chose another subject.

TrueWord: So, you agree that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the Seal of the Prophets?

In that case, then why do you believe in another Prophet after Muhammad (peace be upon him)?

Zanjan, either you are contradicting yourself or not explaining yourself properly...

Zanjan: So, you're confused, huh? Well, I think you're just not reading my posts very carefully, and certainly not using previous Holy Books for cross-reference.

Also, it seems you're unwilling to search for any other way to understand a thing.

TrueWord: Zanjan, Please don't apply your reverse psychology tactics...

I have read your posting clearly; judging by your last comment, it appears you are the one who is confused and not acknowledging that I have cross-referenced from numerous Holy Scriptures throughout these forums.

Again, let us attempt to come to agreement here. Please answer the following below:


1) Do you believe Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him) was the LAST Prophet and Seal of Prophethood?

2) Do you believe Baha'u'llah was a Prophet of Allah (God)?

3) Do you consider yourself a Muslim?


Thanks.

Zanjan: If anyone wishes to know what Islam is about, or what the Baha'i Faith is about, they should go to the official international website of these religions and read for themselves. Most have links to post questions where they'll receive official answers.

People should research independently and not listen to outsiders opinions of them.

Trueword, let us attempt not to proselytize - it's against the law in the Baha'i Faith. God seriously doesn't like it.

TrueWord: I do not advise anyone to go to such websites as they are a path to misguidance.

Zanjan, there is only one path that Allah (God) wants us to follow and that is the path of testifying that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah, and Muhammad (peace be upon him) is His servant and (final) messenger.

Anything that deviates from this testimony is indeed a dark path the leads to misguidance.

Further, I am not into "proselytizing", rather I am into rationality as well as making others aware of the dangers of these innovated sects, such as the Baha'i Faith, that are as harmful as a growing plague. The religion was complete at the time of the death of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). What gives anyone the right to innovate in the religion of Allah (God)? Baha'u'llah was a liar and an impostor for saying he is the Prophet of Allah, and surly Allah will deal with him for his claim that was a cause for the deception and deviation of thousands including yourself, Zanjan.

Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) stated "Every innovation is a misguidance and every misguidance goes to Hell fire." [Sahah Muslim]

The Baha'i Faith is an innovation, and as described by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), we know where this dark path leads to.

May Allah guide you and protect us from deviation, disbelief, and transgression and allow us to remain steadfast on the straight path. Ameen.

GeraldtheGnome: Fighting over if someone was a prophet of someone that there is no proof of or against the existence of, no matter what name you want name him. Baha'i is just another human interpretation of the unknown, I am not against interpretations, I'm just against the actions of certain followers of any form of Religion.