The Mystery of Jesus Christ. (Page 81)

GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: Mount Nebo is 45 minutes away from here. God is made up, Jesus is too. Jeremiah was a Bullfrog, well I have been told that. Was there a Jeremiah ?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Ghost, the Ethiopians can't prophecy. God doesn't trust them with that power, it's only bestowed on the pure.
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: None of that made any sense. God is made up as is Jesus.

Happy Easter to everyone here anyway.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: If it's the pure that God requires, he's sure going to have to look in some strange places before he finds somebody that fits the bill.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: This world isn't made for the pure. Too many distractions and too much shoddy creation, but at least we know who to blame. Yep, God got what he created so he can't complain.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: And for all those who like their chocolate eggs on the large size:

The tallest chocolate Easter egg measured 10.39 m (34 ft 1.05 in) in height and was made by Tosca (Italy). It was measured at Le Acciaierie Shopping Centre, in Cortenuova, Italy on 16 April 2011.

The chocolate Easter egg weighed 7,200 kg (15,873) and had a circumference of 19.6 m (64 ft 3.65 in) at its widest point.

[ https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/largest-chocolate-easter-egg ]

Imagine trying to eat that in one sitting.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Ghost, you're right - Prophets aren't a dime a dozen. He doesn't make many of them because if people won't listen to one of them, they're aren't going to listen to two when they're saying exactly the same thing.

You're right again when you say the world isn't made for the pure. It's not a safe place for them.

BUT, since they're here, they have to walk through it without becoming part of it. Their suffering is far worse than it is for the soiled; the only way they can bear it is to remain detached and endure all things for the sake of God. When burdened, they look to the end of things so they're not doing this mindlessly.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: That chocolate easter egg - where did they get the mold?? What craziness!

It was displayed outdoors like a statue. Would you want to eat it after birds alighted and the wind blew in all kinds of stuff over it?
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: We all make mistakes at times and we have made mistakes on here. I thought that this was a religious forum. Anyway life wasn’t ‘created’ and every religious god, which does include Jesus, is made up. Away from that I love very large chocolate eggs, they have unsuccessfully tried to push for chocolate Easter Bilbies. It’s Easter Sunday here, if I am lucky the very friendly Swamp Wallaby will appear in the backyard soon. He likes coming after rainy weather so I doubt that I will see him today.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Chocolate egg time has finished for another year, only I've got a stash of them in the pantry so I'll be chewing the things for some time to come.

As for that extra large egg, being a little fussy I'd probably decline a share of it if offered because I do know where it's been.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: What we seem to agree on is that the world was made for the less than pure, there being plenty of evidence to support such a contention. So why, if God is presumed to have been the earth's creator. do people insist that he is wholly good when his handiwork leaves something to be desired?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Isn't it more logical to presume that God never intended that humans take on the appurtenances of those clinically boring beings the angels? Doesn't it make more sense that we were always intended for the pit and that it's those few individuals who somehow avoid the flames of hell who are in error?
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GeraldtheGnome
GeraldtheGnome: God has done nothing because God is the figment of many people's imagination as is Jesus.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: “So why, if God is presumed to have been the earth's creator. do people insist that he is wholly good when his handiwork leaves something to be desired?”

Actually, His work is perfect. This physical plane is our first world. God has prepared everything on earth for us. At birth, we’re like a blank canvas – holy and pure, with all kinds of potential. This plane is necessary as it provides the materials to work with.

From scratch, we build a unique life according to our capacity, which may or may not enlarge. Here, we express our individuality and choose our destiny.

We spend our whole lifetime painting this canvas with our personal stories about the things we did with the table that was set for us. Here, we learn at our own speed, whatever we choose to learn; however, in the next world, we can’t do that. Our learning and progress is dependant on the prayers of others.

In a sense, we like baby angels in training.

Not until you discover your purpose in life and recognize your greatest teachers are the divine Revelators will you be able to look back on your life and say “It was all perfect, all of it”
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Zanjan
Zanjan: "......we were always intended for the pit and that it's those few individuals who somehow avoid the flames of hell who are in error?"

Yes and No. There's no one who has ever avoided the flames of hell. The trick is to escape that tortuous underworld. However you climb out doesn't matter - God provides a back door for every difficult situation. You gotta try all the knobs. When the door swings open, you're in a new maze; it has doors too but each requires a key.....

What?? You don't like this game?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Plagues and pandemics can only be viewed as aspects of perfection if the underlying world view is distinctly bleak. God creates a world where all must sin and then punishment can be administered by the Creator without blame accruing to him. It sure confirms God as the original psychopath.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Without Judaism there would be no Christianity and hence no Islam. Oh lord, think of all the suffering and strife the world would have been spared if nobody had penned the Bible.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Judaism and Christianity are so ancient, it's difficult for their adherents to defend their religion. There's some holes and weird laws. There are no physical relics, as you often point out by asking for proof, and I keep bashing interpretations by asking, ' how do we know which way that happened or what they really meant?'

The clouds of the dusty past are too thick for any modern to penetrate. Therefore, these religions can't stand on their own anymore.

Nevertheless, there's a way to prevent their dismissal.

Had it not been for Muhammad, confirming that Moses and Jesus were genuine Messengers of God, Judaism and Christianity would have been long gone by now. They owe whatever semblance of life they have to Muhammad.

This is the reason every Messenger of God has to confirm the truth of all previous Prophets by Name. Jesus knew that, saying, 'the next One to come will glorify Me'.
Today, Muhammad is in those same shoes, depending on the Lord of the Age to mention His name and glorify Him too.

I don't think any ordinary human being could arrange a guaranteed consistency like that across thousands of years.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Ghost, there were plenty of atheists in pagan religions around in ancient times, along with local forms of tribal spirituality - what influence did they have on mankind and where are they all now?

Apparently, non-religious atheism first appeared in the 5th century B.C. Like religion, I imagine it took awhile to gather followers here and there - they were never an organized bunch. Still, they've had 2 1/2 thousand years to show what they can do. How have they measured up by comparison?
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The13th
The13th: I felt incredible sexual tension in the air last time I stayed in a lonely monastry in outback Australia. I am not even sure where it is on the map. But I knew to drive to the town of Young in New South Wales took us may be half hour driving at 180km/h. So we might be 90km from Young. May be nothing wrong with Catholic or Monastry, may be the whole outback Australia is full of sexual tension.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: This here monastery; did it have living monks dishing out the grub or were they all stiffs?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: It's a fact of life that most people don't welcome being killed. Thus in times past, when what you did or didn't believe could get you killed, it is no surprise that atheists kept their mouths shut in the main.
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Interesting notion that the continuing existence of both Judaism and Christianity is wholly due to Muhammad confirming that Moses and Jesus were genuine Messengers of God. Well, that got me scratching my head wondering why anyone should take his word as gospel, seeing as he could have been a complete hare-brained loon?
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: The Lord of the Age? This wouldn't, by any chance, be a certain Persian that next to nobody has ever heard of, would it?
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The13th
The13th: @Ghost "This here monastery; did it have living monks dishing out the grub or were they all stiffs?".

There is no monk, they have a few old folks with name like Brother This or That.

The whole monastery that can house hundreds of people, mostly trainees priests from all over the world, during summer holiday in Australia it will empty out, only a few die hard priests around maintaining the place. Thats when we got ourselves in to experience a bit of outback lifestyle.

The food are surprisingly edible, not miserable, but I remember there was a creamy milky dish with rice in it. Taste awful.
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