The Mystery of Jesus Christ. (Page 89)
ghostgeek: Following this line of thought, it seems best to conclude that the past never actually existed. Mmm, but then we hit a problem. How do we explain the present if there was no past?
ghostgeek: How do we explain Islam if there was no Muhammad? With great difficulty in my opinion! Likewise, how do we explain Christianity if there was no Jesus Christ or Paul? With even more difficulty it seems to me.
ghostgeek: Thus I conclude that saying a person never existed should only be attempted when the evidence for such a position is overwhelming.
GeraldtheGnome: If you get away from a nickname that I use only on this site then I am not Gerald, my name is nothing like that, instead I am named after a former astronaut. Gerald the Gnome was a character in a political comedy named 'Yes we Canberra', a political comedy show mainly about Australian politics during the time of Barrack Obama's time as President of The United States of America, I thought it was bad enough when he was in, it got worse after that and now the not as rotten one is in power in The Disunited States of America.
I prefer to use a space before a question mark, also there are better suited words for one word that you decided to use. Also I typed what I have put on here so far and that means that I have written nothing on here. So you can get rid of your lacking substance and meaning rubbish. You use religious bias and confirmation bias, that is why you still are to accept the obvious. The logical thing to do is to notice that you don't pick up on what is clear because you have ignored all of it and are sometimes arrogant in response to what goes against your own flawed train of thought. There is also need for so many commas as well.
No one claimed that the past never existed so stop being stupid about this. Also Mmm is not word. Islam is a Human interpretation of the unknown and Muhammad never existed. This forum is not about Islam so that's enough about Islam. Opinions mean nothing, what is so means everything. Christianity is just a myth based on a Christ (by any name) that never existed. Jesus and every name similar to it, which means ever version of the Greek name as well, is nothing like any Hebrew name and not like any Aramaic name. Ask the Chinese why there is a completely imaginary Dynasty about the first (made up) Chinese Kingdom that some believe was around or ask why there is an imaginary King Arthur that some people believe existed ? Do you want to continue down the present stupid way of thinking or do you want to actually learn from your own mistakes by challenging your own thoughts stubborn one ?
You seem to have even more difficulty with reality about the fact that Paul never existed. Go on, look up the Greek equivalent of the name Paul, you will find a similar name. You will not find a similar name when it comes to looking at even the closest name to that in Aramaic and Hebrew. Also the other little problem is that each early version of each verse of each chapter of each book excludes the name of any author, title of the book, chapter number, verse number and quite a lot of words as well, in many cases there are more words missing from them. Look at the actual photos of those manuscripts. You and I have never said anything on this text based site, Paul did not exist, no one knows who the authors of the books are and the evidence against your flawed way of thinking is overwhelming.
You are delusional, you are quite clearly brainwashed. In The Southern Hemisphere, in the southeast part of it there's a little continent named Australia, it's also a country unless you want to deny everything obvious that I have mentioned so far, in the northeast part of it there is a State named Queensland, in the southeast of it is Greater Brisbane and within it is the capital of the entire state, Brisbane. I live in that capital city. In Brisbane, 35 minutes west, northwest and southwest of where I live is any area that used to be named Brisbane Forest Park. It was named Brisbane Forest Park if you missed that name. Now below this is a video of it. Are you going to miss something for the trees ? Most likely with the way that you think.
The Book of John, chapter 16, verse 31 is not found from as far back as 225 AD, Papyrus five was written in Egypt in Koine Greek in 200 AD or 225 AD or in some year in between ten.
The next Papyrus in present day chapter order is from Egypt as well, it was written in Koine Greek of course, you know lacking the claimed Aramaic or Hebrew and there's the other problem that each one of them is not from even one part of The Middle East. Papyrus 108 is the name of it, it was written in 175 AD or 200 AD or some year in between then. Wow ! An actual Papyrus that may at least date as far back as the second century, that's a feat in itself. There really isn't that much from The Book of John that date that far back out of all of The Iron Age manuscripts about it that I have shown so far, you are very soon going to find out how limited an amount of manuscripts there are for as far back as the second century.
The Book of John, chapter 17, verse 22. (This verse has no words in it that can be read). 23. [ ] in [ ] and [ ] as [ ] me. 24. [ ] me [ ] I [
] me before [ ].
The Book of John, chapter 18. Verses one and two have nothing that can be read. (Verse three only has one word that can be read). Verse four. Jesus therefore, knowing [
] to him, [ ] to them, “[ ]”
Verse five. [ ] him, “Jesus [ ].”
[ ], “[ ].”
Confusing there is also the contradiction there before you look at the specific Papyrus where it has that it was written as recently as 250 AD. Next time I will see what there is from as far back as 250 AD about The Book of John, chapter 18, verse six.
It is rude to repeat the words of other people that are on here, quotations aren't always necessary as well, nor are words in uppercase only. I only consider that lifeforms and viruses exist, therefore a mountain does not exist, a mountain is either around or it is not around instead.
A mountain exists because it does. there is no 'why'. The word is don't, it is not dont, I've made spelling mistakes at times too of course. The word is exist, the letter s should not be on the end at all.
ghostgeek: No Moses, no Jesus, no Paul and now no Muhammad. Just go the whole hog and say there's no Judaism, Christianity or Islam. With luck you'll get carted off to the loony bin where you can have an all-expenses paid holiday.
GeraldtheGnome: Ah ha are not proper words, certain made up names in what are Human interpretations of the unknown give no one, including me to state on here, not say since this is a text based site, any reason to think that there is no Judaism, Christianity, Islam and so on. It is you who is becoming so predictable and brainwashed/delusional. You keep stubbornly using confirmation bias and religious bias. Stop embarrassing yourself. Only now I have stated that Muhammad does not exist ? No, I have stated that for quite a while, your ignorance and arrogance about certain things is not helping you at the moment. You don’t get it, because certain names were used does not guarantee that the person existed.
As for anyone named Jesus who was a Jew back then, well the claim that any Jew back then either had a Koine Greek or Greek name or the name Jesus that was not a name on 100 percent of the planet in the first century Iron Age or even in the fifth century Iron Age is a false claim. The earliest ever found Papyrus is from Egypt, it’s written in Koine Greek just like many of the other manuscripts that were found after it for a while and they were all written in Egypt. Sure Egypt is just the name we use if anyone wants to be fussy about it. No Jew had any name similar to a Koine Greek name or to a name that anyone anywhere in the world uses. Jesus and every Greek name that is used and was once used never was, still isn’t and never will be similar to or even the name of the Christ (of various names) in the story because every Hebrew and Aramaic name Yehoshua, Yeshua, Y’shua and so on is not similar to the Modern English name Joshua but the Modern English name Jesus and the Greek name Iesous and so on are nothing like any modern and past Hebrew and Aramaic name. So the best that you can use an extremely lame excuse with there is that everyone who didn’t and who doesn’t use Hebrew and Aramaic used and still use the wrong name for Christ due to interpretation errors.
You though decided to be unapologetically very rude to me claiming that I should be sent to a mental facility solely because I disagree with you. I disagree with you because you have no proof of the claims that you have made. You are about to find out just how little the next manuscript that I will mention does contain. There was no need for the hyphen that you used either.
GeraldtheGnome: Well there is no Book of John, chapter 18, verse six, there is however Papyrus 52, I will repeat that, Papyrus 52. It doesn't exist because it's not a life form, it is however around, it can be read and it's the earliest known manuscript of The Book of John. It was written and found in Egypt, yes if anyone wants to be picky then Egypt as indeed what the country is named by those who use English. It was written in 100 AD or 125 AD or some year in between then, it was most likely written in 115 AD. It's an Iron Age manuscript.
The Book of John, chapter 18, verse 31. (The entire first sentence is missing). [ ] the Jews [ ], "[ ] for us [ ]," 32. that [ ]. 33. [ ] the [ ] and [ ], "[ ]"
Verse 37. (The first two sentences of the verse are missing). [ ] of the [ ]. 38. [ ] said to him, "[ ]"
[ ] this [ ] the [ ].
That there are the only verses and chapters of that manuscript, the reason that I used brackets at times with only a quotation mark after them is because it is a guess to know what came before the quotation mark, if I tried it like others did then just like them I would most likely be wrong. No one will ever know anyway. Next time I will see if there is a Book of John, chapter 18, verse 39 from as far back as 125 AD.
John did not exist.
GeraldtheGnome: No one is going to agree with everything by anyone, nor should anyone, that is fine. I prefer just to use the word old for life forms and viruses. I'm not going to tell you that no John does exist now, there are many reasons why I will not do that. There are many people named John, it is a common as much name after all. Looking for the author named John in the first century century or after that is like looking for evidence that proves that steam powered trains were around in The Middle Ages. Even the Greek and Koine Greek name are nothing like the name John.
Was there a version of verse 39 of The Book of John, chapter 18 as far back as 125 AD ? Not that is known of, nor is there any verse chapter or other book from as far back as then that is known of. Every Papyrus example listed on the site is of the earlier verses, chapters and books of what now makes up The New Testament. Each example where there is a known location of showed that each version was written in Koine Greek in Egypt (as we refer to it) and was found in Egypt. Have you ever thought that the first known version of each verse was not a copy and that it was first written in Greece since each one was found there with some possible exceptions ?
The possible exceptions only have that they don't know where they were found and don't know where they were written, they still are in Koine Greek. Matthew didn't exist. If Koine Greek is as similar to Modern Greek as is claimed then the Modern English name Matthew is Ματθαίος with the Greek text which means Matthaíos and something similar to all of that in Koine Greek if every translation and transliteration is true. With that name it is at least similar to any Hebrew and Aramaic name.
The reason why any Matthew did not write anything that now is a part of The New Testament should be obvious to you already. Anyway that Matthew and that of any Bible Matthew is made up. Do not be quick to claim that I am claiming that the original authors of every book lied. How can either of us know if even one of them lied ? I don't know how and I bet that you don't know how either. Which one is the earliest version of any part of The Book of Matthew is something that I can't work out for sure because of the information provided to me. Papyrus 64 includes what maybe from as early as 125 AD or from as late as 175 AD. It's from Coptos, Egypt, most of it is missing. Now the claim is that it most likely is from the same manuscript as Papyrus Four and Papyrus 67, well Payrus Four has been dated to to be written as early as 125 AD or as late as 175 AD. Papyrus Four includes parts of The Book of Luke and nothing else.
Most have that Papyrus 64 is from 150 AD which is most likely what is true, it is also most likely true for Papyrus Four and it's most likely true for Papyrus 67 as well. If all three really are just a part of the same manuscript then the earliest they could have been written is 150 AD and at 175 AD if the latest since that is claimed to be so about Papyrus 67. So for the three of them, that were found in the same location, I reckon that 150 AD is the most likely date when they were written. As far as years go there is a problem, the site that I am going off has that Papyrus 103 was written in 250 AD on the introduction to it, then you go to the direct information about it you are told that it was written in Oxyrhynchus, Egypt as early as 100 AD or as late as 150 AD. If that is not confusing enough then there is the thought that it is most likely from the same manuscript as Papyrus 77.
Papyrus 77 is from the same spot as Papyrus 103, it though is claimed to be from 175 AD. So if the years are wrong then they are most likely from 150 AD if they are from the same manuscript. To me the introductory claim that that Papyrus 103 is from 250 AD was meant to be 150 AD. A mistake where the wrong number was typed. Papyrus 104 is from maybe as far back as 100 AD and maybe to 175 AD at the latest, it too is from Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. It most likely was written in 140 AD. Out of them one of them is the earliest known and still intact manuscript of The Book of Matthew.
Now for the name Mark, there was no author named Mark, also the Mark believed to have existed did not exist. Mark is the Modern English name, once again, if Koine Greek actually is similar to Greek then it's a case that there is no name similar to Mark in Greek. Σημάδι in the Modern Greek text and most likely in Koine Greek as well, otherwise known as Simádi, is not similar to the Modern English name Mark. Also if all past and present forms of Hebrew and Aramaic are similar to each other then there is no name similar to the Koine Greek, Modern Greek and Modern English name that is used for the claimed to have existed person.
Papyrus 137 is probably the earliest known and intact manuscript of The Book of Mark, it was written in Egypt and found there, it may have been written as early as 175 AD or as late as 225 AD. It was most likely written in 200 AD. The confusing bit is how is it known what is roughly in Papyrus 45 of 200 AD when it is claimed to not have been translated yet ?
"Luke, use the force Luke", well anyway it's not about that Luke, it's about yet another person who didn't exist instead, just like Mark and so on. Well I have already mentioned Papyrus Four from Coptos in Egypt. Luke is a Modern English name, in Greek text it is Λουκ otherwise known by the name Louk. They are similar enough and if Koine Greek is similar to both of them then that is good too, all of them however are not similar to any Hebrew or Aramaic name. The closest is shown below. Papyrus Four was most likely written in 150 AD but may have been written as early as 125 AD (if not really a part of any other manuscript) or as recently as 175 AD.
Luke never existed, "Search your feelings, you it to be true."
As for John, well he's another example of one who never existed. The Modern English name John is not similar to the Greek name closes to it. Γιάννης with the Greek text or Giánnis is not similar to John and it English and Greek (which includes Koine Greek) are not similar to any Hebrew name and they are not similar to any Aramaic name.
Papyrus 52, earliest known one out of the entire New Testament was written most likely in 115 AD but also possibly as early as 100 AD or as late as 125 AD. It does not contain the name Pontius Pilate, one of the very rare names of the story where it's about a person who did exist, it also does not include any other name either, it doesn't even mention Christ or Christ by any name. Jesus is only a name similar to the Greek text Ιησούς which means Iisoús, those names, including the Koine Greek name, are not similar to any Hebrew or Aramaic name. Jesus Christ never existed and he certainly doesn't exist now either.
That's it with the Gospels. Also he could have used at least one better suited word. Next time I will look at The Book of Acts. Each one of the examples I have shown have a lot of missing text.
ghostgeek: What matters isn't a person's name, whether it be Jesus, Paul, Mark, Matthew or Joe Bloggs. The important thing is belief. Did the first cohort of Christians believe that Jesus rose from the dead, as Paul's letters claim, or didn't they? Well, seeing as Christianity is still with us, I'll go out on a limb and say that they did. What's more, it doesn't matter if there was ever a real Jesus Christ or not, just so long as people believe there was.
GeraldtheGnome: No one at first believed that there was a Jesus Christ because Jesus wasn’t even a name that long ago and there was no Paul around back then either. The Mark, Matthew and Joe Bloggs weren’t around back then. Until a few days ago I did not even know that there was even a bloke with the same name as me in existence. A cop, a high ranking one too living in the same city as me with one n in his name. It’s most likely it’s his first name though, for me it’s my middle name and my preferred name. He gas the same surname as me, it though is as common a name here as it is in Scotland. My middle name is a name used in Scotland and Ireland, it’s in a very famous Irish song. In High School it was confusing because there were two others with my name, I was the only one with one n with the name though. My Ancestor was the King of West Scotland and the Isles and the only one (with his men) to beat the Vikings at sea.
Yes, there are people believe that there was a Jesus Christ who was around, Christ by any name does not exist and he never existed. I prefer to use a space before a question mark and commas are not always necessary.
GeraldtheGnome: Zanjan had an extremely good description of what a papyrus is. Anyway the earliest example of The Book of Acts is Uncial 0189, the earliest that it could have been written was in 150 AD and the latest that it could have been written is 200 AD, it is claimed to be written by an anonymous writer, the same one to have written The Book of Luke. There is nothing to show that it was written in the first century, everything hints that both books were written in the second century, most likely in 150 AD, it is most likely that both of them were written over in Coptos, Egypt (even though no one knows and may never know where Unical 0189 was written and by whom) and they are most likely written by the same author who was not named Luke or anything like that. An Uncial is basically any manuscript that was written with Unical text, in this particular example it is a Koine Greek Uncial.
This particular Unical is the earliest known parchment of The New Testament.
It's not The Hebrew Bible, it's The Tanach or The Tanakh, anyway there are some other things that I don't agree with like for example the claim that certain people did exist when they didn't. The mystery is why does anyone believe that Christ by any name does exist and/or that he existed in The Iron Age ?
Papyrus 40 may have been written in 200 AD or as late as 299 AD, it's most likely that it was written in 250 AD in Egypt. It was written in Koine Greek over in Egypt. The Book of Romans is claimed to have been written by Paul, now don't get too excited now, Paul did not exist.
Well this one is claimed to be by the same author as well, it is known as Papyrus 129, I can't get any proper information about it but it was most likely written in Egypt, it I guess is in Koine Greek and it is was written in 250 AD. Papyrus 15 was written in Koine Greek in Oxyrhynchus, Egypt, it was most likely written in 280 AD, it is in Koine Greek. The First Book of Corinthians is the name I will give it because I don't like the dyslexic usual name for it.
The above (Papyrus 46 manuscript) is claimed to be about those books and they are claimed to be from the same author yet none of it has been translated. This may mean that the guess about the contents is wrong.
Next time I will look at the earliest known example of Corinthians, book two and of the earliest known example of The Book of Galatians.
Zanjan: Ghost, there has been and still are people who deny the Holocaust happened; why wouldn't there be those in the future who will deny WW2 happened?
Apparently, recording history isn't good enough. Yet those same naysayers run after conspiracy theories at the drop of a hat. Something more than words is required for the truth to appear.
Zanjan: Hardly anyone believed in Jesus Christ for the longest time because the enemies of God were killing off His followers left right and center. Their myopic antagonists were trying to make Christ look like a failure. That didn't work. Patience was required to learn the truth.
Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels.
For example, the mission of the Baha'i Faith is the unification of mankind. However, in the early days of the Faith, it was extremely difficult to build unity because few wanted to work with them. Their own countrymen were killing them off by the thousands.
On the surface, that looked like failure too, but followers pressed on. For every member murdered, many times that replaced them so the membership grew throughout the world. This is the mysterious power of genuine martyrdom.
The heroic period ended when the Faith entered its formative stage; that's when it was able to begin building the long sought after unity between peoples and nations. Each religion has to document its own history because nobody else will. The flow is consistent and carefully preserved so no one in their right mind can assert it didn't happen.
(Edited by Zanjan)
Zanjan: Jesus stood among His people, saying "My Words shall never pass away". Did they?
Even if one were to burn every Bible on earth, God's words would not pass away because the next religion will have picked them up long beforehand, repeating them in its own Holy Book.
Even if Christianity disappeared, His words still wouldn't pass away because successive Religions of God have preserved them. That isn't possible with a work of fiction.
Your argument can't be whether or not it happened, it can only be HOW it happened. You'll need to have been in a similar situation yourself to offer illumination.
(Edited by Zanjan)
GeraldtheGnome: Sometimes it is not necessary to use a semi-colon, sometimes it is better to use a comma, I prefer to use a space before a question mark. No one knows who will and who will not deny that World War Two Happen. Some people decided to save Ryan's privates if you believe that a certain movie was based on a true story. There are always conspiracy theorists and then there are just people that want to disprove complete crap.
Jesus Christ never existed and he doesn't exist today. There are better words than some of the ones that you have used at times. God is made up. Time doesn't literally heal any wounds, treatment to wounds and a certain amount of time factored in does heal many wounds though. The bit about heels did not make any sense by you. The Baha'i Faith is nothing more than another human interpretation of the unknown. Whether the claimed persecution of certain religious groups, including that of yours Zanjan, if it's true, is found out by leaving out religious bias and confirmation bias. Sometimes there is no need for commas. Martyrdom is not something to think positively about, except in some exceptional cases. Indiana Jones and the wheelchair of destiny is on the way. If you will be able to travel back in time then you will find out what a load of crap a lot of your religious beliefs are.
I'm against any religious book being burned, a bin or somewhere where it can be forgotten about is better. I hope that there never will be a future religion of any kind. Religious books are fantasy books with the bulk of what is in each of them. There is no reason for a word to be completely in uppercase. Please don't bring up anything about illumination again. Most of what is in every religious tale never happened at all.
Well at the moment, because I ran out of time, I will next time have a look at Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus of the fourth century.
ghostgeek: Yes, I've just been reading about the long sought after unity between peoples and nations. Seems drones have been causing trouble over Moscow.
ghostgeek: No, I still don't understand why God needs to peddle his words through religion. Radio God should be more than adequate for the task.
ghostgeek: Some people deny that anyone has ever set foot on the moon. Others deny that the earth is a sphere. Of course, plenty of people do the opposite: shout that what's patently false it the truth. Well, that's humanity for you. Cantankerous to the end.
ghostgeek: Then we have Gerald saying that this sod and that bugger never existed. OK, if he can prove what he claims then so be it.
ghostgeek: So did Jesus Christ ever live? A tasty question if ever there was one. Paul mentions the bugger, so the answer seems to be; "Yes!" Ah, but now we run into a problem. Did Paul exist? Well, there are some letters in existence that were written by somebody who calls himself Paul, and which claim Jesus rose three days after being crucified. Yes, they could be fakes, these letters, but are they? Without a time machine one cannot conclusively rule the possibility out but one needs to answer one pertinent question first. How did Christianity get going if there was no Jesus, and no Paul to proselytize for him?
GeraldtheGnome: The governments of nations uniting and that of people within each nation uniting together to get along is a long held, unrealistic thing that many people wish for. Nations are not life forms and each of them are not just the people either. People is a plural, a plural on a plural is just silly. Drones over Moscow have nothing to do with this forum. God is made up. What some people deny is a problem. If someone thinks that something is true when it is false shout something out is another problem. Never shout out that Paul did exist when you are face to face with someone either. You don't want to shout out what can not be proven after all. I still prefer a space before a colon, sometimes I colon is not necessary though. I hate the word humanity, it is a stupid word, Humans are a certain way, humanity in a way is not.
There are also better suited words than that of some of the words that you have used so far. I am not saying anything on here, I also have never said anything on this text based forum. Certain people who have be written about never existed. I prefer okay than OK. I proved my claims, you have not listened to the videos that I have provided and you also ignore my words about it as well. On top of that you also ignore the words of other people that I have provided you, that others have and that of anyone else who has gone against your own religious bias and confirmation bias. I prefer to use a space before any question mark and before any exclamation mark, no question is 'tasty' and Paul never existed. Jesus Christ never existed, sometimes. You seem to not realize that no one named himself Paul in regards to what is claimed to be written by that claimed to exist Paul.
We have no Hebrew names for Saul. Now here's another problem for you. My Hebrew Name : Paul in Hebrew.
(Note : English names which are not derived from Hebrew names are normally represented below by Hebrew names with similar underlying meanings.)
Go on, look it up, look up the name Paul in Hebrew, you will notice that it is nothing like any Koine Greek or Greek name for the Modern English name Paul. There is nothing similar to the name Paul except that of Koine Greek, Greek and the like. Look up the Greek name too while you are at it. I can't believe how many times I've had to repeat myself to you about this.
Here's a hint due to your domestic blindness, the name is shown in the website address that I gave you. There is no name like Jesus in Hebrew or Aramaic either. There is a similar name when it comes to Greek though. Life forms exist, so do viruses, letters are intact, they are around at present but they are not life forms. Cannot rule out what you think cannot be ruled out ? Yes, that's the 'he must have existed because it's claimed that he existed' defence. You check everything for and against what you think instead of just going with what you think is true.
I can not find the English translation of The Codex Vaticanus of the fourth century, sure like everything written that became a part of The New Testament that was around before it, at least it like them is from The Iron Age. Is there anything that shows enough of it in English or in anything other than Koine Greek that can be translated into English ? If there is then I haven't found it. It is in Koine Greek obviously and it was was written in Egypt. It does contain all of Book two of Corinthians, all of The Book of Galatians and so on.
I can't rely on something that there is not enough about to make sense of it, now onto Codex Sinaiticus, it was found at Mount Sinai in Egypt and most likely written there. It's in Koine Greek and it is also from the fourth century some time after 325 AD, it was written after Codex Vaticanus. No one knows exactly when either of them were written. Codex Sinaiticus does contain The second book of Corinthians and The Book of Galatians.
Papyrus 135, which I can find sweet bugger all about, is believed to have been written in Koine Greek in 300 AD at the earliest or in 500 AD at the latest or some year in between then. It was either written in The Iron Age or in The Dark Ages, it only has The Book of Galatians, chapter three, verses 21, 22, 28 and 29 as well as chapter four, verses 31 to and including chapter five, verses six, 10 to and including 15. The supplementary numbers are 1, 4 and 69, I'm just kidding. I don't know where it was written or anything else about it. Since I have no access to it it is time to go to what is next.
Well going back to the earliest known verses there once again is Papyrus 46 which is claimed to have Koine Greek parts of the books Romans, Hebrews, Corinthians (books one and two), Ephesians, Galatians, Philippians, Colossians and Thessalonians book one. IT was written in 225 AD apparently. It has not been translated so how do they know that any of that is right ? It most likely is not right. It was probably written in Egypt. Since I am only concentrating on the only earliest known example of The Book of Ephesians I will look at Papyrus 49, it most likely was written in 250 AD or 299 AD or in some year in between then. It's most likely that it was written in 250 AD, it was written in Egypt.
Next time I will look to see if there is a Book of Ephesians, chapter five, verse 14 version from as far back as 250 AD.
Zanjan: Ghost: “Seems drones have been causing trouble over Moscow.”
While the Ukrainians are pleased, they say it isn’t them. I believe them – they’ve got more punch and precision than that. Looks like the work of teenagers.
I reckon there’s some dissatisfied Russian citizens. You can’t pull the wool over the eyes of *all* your people. Occasionally, they send their own message.
Zanjan: “Radio God should be more than adequate for the task.”
We’ve always had something faster than radio. You just have to learn how to use it.
God has His own way of doing things. Once you understand His purpose, then you have a pretty good idea of where things are going. Watch carefully and you can spot some of His brilliant and amusing moves. He is both manifest and hidden.