The Mystery of Jesus Christ. (Page 91) GeraldtheGnome: The 'Mandela effect', yes, something that misleads someone has also led many. Most think that something is right that ends up not being right at all. I'm not predictable, I'm just realistic and you are predictable. If everyone just agreed with everyone else then the internet and even electricity would never have come about. James never existed and neither did Jesus. They weren't even names back then. Here's a look once again at the names Jesus and James. The Modern English name James and the Modern Greek name Τζέιμς or Tzéims if the kind of text that we use are not even similar names, since Koine Greek is at least claimed to be similar to Modern Greek in some ways means that the Modern Greek name that I just used and the Koine Greek name are at least similar, they are not similar to Modern English though. All of them are not similar to any Hebrew name or to any Aramaic name. https://my-hebrew-name.com/james-yaakov-11365.html Look at the website I just gave a website address for, don't ignore it again. Ignorance and arrogance are never a good thing after all. Confirmation bias and religious bias should be something that you had in the past rather than something that you still have. There is no Book of Hebrews, chapter nine, verse 20 until that of Codex Vaticanus (if the claim is right), if the claim is not right it will be because there is no complete interpretation of it to a point that is understood by anyone alive. I don't know what the case is there, either way you can have a look at it in Koine Greek. That Codex was most likely written in Egypt, even though maybe no one will ever know for sure where it was written and it was written in 300 AD or 399 AD or some year in between then. It was written before The Codex Sinaiticus or so it is claimed to be true anyway. https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Vat.gr.1209 Codex Sinaiticus was written in Egypt, it was written in Koine Greek, it was written in 326 AD or 399 AD or in some year in between those years. It has chapter nine, verse 20, all of the remainder of that verse, chapters 10 to and including 13. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=46&chapter=9&lid=en&side=r&verse=20&zoomSlider=0 https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=46&chapter=10&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=46&chapter=11&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=46&chapter=12&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=46&chapter=13&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 All of the above examples have the English translation of the Koine Greek book. Now the next earliest first known example of anything in The Book of Hebrews is from Papyrus 13. It was written in Koine Greek in Oxyrhynchus, Egypt in 225 AD or 250 AD or some year in between then. It includes The Book of Hebrews, chapter two, verses 14 to and including chapter five, verse five, chapter 10, verses eight to and including 22 as well verse verse 29 of it to and including chapter 11, verse 12. It also includes chapter 11, verse 28 to and including verses 12 to and including 17. The missing verses, including the remaining verses missing at the end of any chapter first appeared maybe in Codex Vaticanus but certainly in Codex Sinaiticus. There is also the claim that Papyrus 46 has all of The Book of Hebrews, it generally is stated that it was written in 225 AD yet elsewhere that is contradicted and it is claimed to have been written in 140 AD. Whatever the go is with it it is in Koine Greek and it most likely came from Egypt. I can't work out how they think that they now what it is about when they haven't even translated it yet or at least properly. It is very possible that it doesn't contain what is claimed. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus46.htm Ιησούς or Iisoús without the Greek text is at least similar to the name Jesus as is the Koine Greek name, all of them though are nothing like any Hebrew name or Aramaic name. Paul never existed. Next time I will look at The Book of James. GeraldtheGnome: There is no known Book of James, chapter one, verse one from as far back as 299 AD. The earliest claim of it is Codex Vaticanus that I mentioned in the last message and that of the one that I do know was translated fully into English, Codex Sinaiticus, I mentioned it in the last message. Anyway the entire chapter one of The Book of James is claimed to be in The Codex Vaticanus, it is however certainly in Codex Sinaiticus. That is also true with the first 18 chapters of The Book of James. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=52&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 Papyrus 23 was written in 150 AD or 250 AD or in a year in between those years. It was most likely written in 200 AD as has been suggested. It was written in Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. The last verses of it and the other missing verses of The Book of John, Chapter one, are in The Codex Sinaiticus and possibly in The Codex Vaticanus. Papyrus 23 includes The Book of John, chapter one, verses 10 to and including 12 then the verses 15 to and including 18. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus23.htm The above has the Koine Greek text and the English translation below it. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=52&chapter=2&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 The first possibly credible claim is that Codex Vaticanus includes all of The Book of James, chapter two and anyway what is certain is that all of that chapter is included in The Codex Sinaiticus. Papyrus 20 includes The Book of James, chapter two, verse 29 to and including chapter three, verse 9. It was written in Koine Greek in Oxyrhynchus in Egypt in 200 AD or 299 AD or in a year in between those years. It was most likely written in 250 AD. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus20.htm https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=52&chapter=3&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 The Book of James, verses 10 to and including 13 maybe included in The Codex Vaticanus, they are included in The Codex Sinaiticus. There is no known version of those verses before then. Papyrus 100 is another Koine Greek example from Oxyrhynchus in Egypt, they include The Book of James, chapter three, verses 13 to and including chapter four, verse four and verses 9 to and including chapter five, verse one. Verses five to and including eight are not included in the papyrus. They maybe included in The Codex Vaticanus, they though are included in The Codex Sinaiticus. papyrus 100 was written in 250 AD or 350 AD or in some year in between those years. It was most likely written in 300 AD. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus100.htm https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=52&chapter=5&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 The remainder of the missing verses from Papyrus 100 (as in The Book of John, chapter five, verse two onwards) have the earliest known versions included in The Codex Sinaiticus and it's claimed that they are also in The Codex Vaticanus. James did not exist and Jesus did not exist too. That Jesus also of course does not exist. Papyrus 72 was written in 250 AD or 299 AD or in 300 AD or in some year in between those years. The 300 AD claim contradicts the claim that it was written in the late third century. It most likely was written in 300 AD though. It's another Koine Greek example from Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. It includes each verse and each chapter of the two books of Peter and of The Book of Jude. Peter and Jude did not exist. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus72.htm The first three chapters of the first book of John and the first 10 verses of the fourth chapter of it might be in The Codex Vaticanus, they are however in The Codex Sinaiticus. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=55&chapter=1&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=55&chapter=2&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=55&chapter=3&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=55&chapter=4&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 Papyrus Nine was also written in Oxyrhynchus in Egypt in Koine Greek in 250 AD or in 299 AD or in some year in between those years. It most likely was written in 250 AD as has been suggested. It includes the first book of John, chapter four, verses 11, 12, 14 to and including 17. The missing verse 13 and the remaining missing verses from that papyrus are in The Codex Sinaiticus and maybe in The Codex Vaticanus. That is also true with the fifth chapter that is only first known within Codex Sinaiticus if not also in Codex Vaticanus. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus9.htm https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=55&chapter=5&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 Uncial 232 was written in Koine Greek in 300 AD in Antinoopolis, Egypt. It includes the second book of John, the first nine verses of it. The Antichrist does not exist and he never existed. Johnny was rotten, well one Johnny was. Have you ever heard anyone claim to be the Antichrist ? http://www.earlynewtestament.com/uncial232.htm The last verses of the second book of John and each verse of the third book of John maybe in The Codex Vaticanus, it is in The Codex Sinaiticus and there is the English translation there of it. The Modern English name John is not similar to the Greek Γιάννης which without the Greek text is Giánnis. If it is true then the Koine Greek name is similar to it if not the same, the Modern English, Greek and Koine Greek names are not similar to any Hebrew name or even to any Aramaic name. John did not exist back then, now it's a common as muck name and I know very well that some people are named John. https://my-hebrew-name.com/names.php?name=John&gender=m https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=56&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=57&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 Papyrus 78 was written in Oxyrhynchus in 300 AD in Koine Greek. It includes The Book of Jude verses four, five, seven and eight. The supplemenary numbers are one, four, 69. I don't agree with some of what is in the video below this. I have a revelation for you, I'm going to look at The Book of Revelations next.  ghostgeek: Went to: https://my-hebrew-name.com/james-yaakov-11365.html and ended up scratching my head. GeraldtheGnome: I prefer to use a space before a colon. Anyway off the top of my head I can't remember what it looks like with the Hebrew writing, anyway the closest name to the James in Hebrew is Yaakov. It's not similar. Since Aramaic is at least claimed to be like Hebrew there is also no reason to think that the name James is similar to the Hebrew name. Since the earliest known version is Tzeims (in 'Greek' or 'Koine Greek' in a sense) then I will still with that name for the claimed author. No one named Yaakov or Tzeims or James that is claimed to have been around back then did exist and do all that is claimed in any religious book. No one knows who the authors of any book of any of them are. It was only guessed later on what the names of each author was. They are however did not have the names that are presently associated with them. Titus existed, Pontius Pilate did too, their names and some others are associated with those that never existed. It is like the story that Doctor Who met Winston Churchill, only one of them is about someone who existed. Doctor Who never existed and he certainly doesn't exist now. The show most of the time has become a politically correct farce of late, it has been ruined, maybe they should end it or continue on buggering it up like the Disney Corporation has done to my once loved by most Star Wars science fiction fantasy. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=59&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 The earliest known example of the entire Book of Revelations is from The Codex Sinaiticus. It was written in 326 AD or 399 AD or in some year in between those years. It was written in Koine Greek and it has been translated into English. It was written in Egypt. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus18.htm Papyrus 18 was written in Oxyrhynchus in Egypt in Koine Greek. It was written in 250 AD or 299 AD or in some year in between then. It was most likely written in 275 AD as has been suggested. It includes The Book of Revelations or Revelation, chapter one, verses four to and including seven. The Book of Revelations, chapter one, verses eight to and including twelve are not in any of The Dead Sea Scrolls or in anything for that matter from as far back as the third century so far as anything is known by anyone alive. The earliest known example that at least I can find is The Codex Sinaiticus. Papyrus 98 is most likely from Egypt, it was written in Koine Greek and it includes The Book of Revelations, chapter one, verses 13 to and including 20 as well as chapter two verse one. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus98.htm Papyrus 115 includes The Book of Revelations, chapter two, verses one to and including three, 13 to and including 15, 27 to and including 29, chapter three, verses ten to and including 12, chapter five, verses eight and nine, chapter six, verses five and six, chapter eight, verses three to and including eight, 11 to and including 13, chapter nine, verses one to and including five, seven to and including 16, 18 to and including 21, chapter 10, verses one to and including four, eight to 11. Also included is chapter 11, verses one to and including five, eight to and including 15, 18 and 19, chapter 12, verses one and five, eight to and including 10, 12 to and including 17, chapter 13, verses one and three, six to and including 16, 18, chapter 14, verses one to and including three, five and seven, 10, 11, 14 and 15, 18 to and including 20, chapter 15, verses one, four to and including seven. It was written in Koine Greek in 225 AD or 275 AD or maybe in 300 AD or in some year in between any of those years. The information is contradictory but it most likely was written in 300 AD. It was written in Oxyrhynchus in Egypt. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus115.htm Chapter two, verses four to and including 12, 14, 16 to and including 26 and 28 have the first known versions of those verses in The Codex Sinaiticus. The same with chapter three, verses one to and including 9, 13 to and including 22. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=59&chapter=4&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 All verses of The Book of Revelations, chapters four and five (in a partial manner) have the first known verse known of them in The Codex Sinaiticus. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=59&chapter=5&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 Papyrus 24 was written 275 AD or 325 AD or in some year between those years other than 300 AD. It was written in Oxyrhynchus, Egypt in Koine Greek. It includes The Book of Revelations, chapter five, verses five to and including eight, chapter six, verses five and eight. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus24.htm The Book of Revelations, chapter five, verses 10 to and including 14 has the first known verses in The Codex Sinaiticus. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=59&chapter=6&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 The Book of Revelations, chapter six, verses one to and including four as well as verses nine to and including 17 has the first known verses in The Codex Sinaiticus. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=59&chapter=7&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 All verses of The Book of Revelations, chapter seven, are only first known to be in The Codex Sinaiticus. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=59&chapter=8&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 The verses of The Book of Revelations, chapter eight, verses one and two, nine and 10 are first known from The Codex Sinaiticus. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=59&chapter=9&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 The verses of The Book of Revelations, chapter nine, verse six has the first known version in Codex Sinaiticus. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/papyrus47.htm It is unknown where Papyrus 47 was written, it was most likely written in Egypt. It was written in Koine Greek in 250 AD or in 299 AD or in some year in between those years. It was most likely written in 275 AD as has been suggested. It includes The Book of Revelations, chapter nine, verse 10 to and including chapter 11, verse three and verse five to and including chapter 16, verse 15. It also includes chapter 16, verse 17 to and including chapter 17, verse two. http://www.earlynewtestament.com/uncial308.htm Uncial 308 was written in Koine Greek in 275 AD or 350 AD or in some year in between those years. It most likely was written in 300 AD as has been suggested. It was written in Oxyrhynchus, Egypt and it includes The Book of Revelations, chapter 11, verse 15 to and including 18. https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=59&chapter=17&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 The Book of Revelations, chapter 17, verses three to and including 18 as well as each verse of chapters 18 to and 19 have the first known version of each of those verses in The Codex Sinaiticus. I will not put each of those chapters up, you can look at them yourself. I prefer to use Revelations rather than just using Revelation for the book. I don't really like thinking of The Middle East as a part of Asia, to me it is not a part of Asia despite the Asia Minor bit that used to be used. The Movie is based on the extremely cool game Mortal Kombat that I used to play, I don't know why it isn't Mortal Combat. Maybe the 'K' made it edgy or something, I don't know. Next time I'll just make a summary about what I have mentioned on here so far. GeraldtheGnome: The Book of Matthew, the first known version is from 140 AD. The Book of Mark, the first known version is from 200 AD. The Book of Luke, The first known version is from 150 AD and The Book of John, the first known version is from 115 AD. The Book of Acts, the first known version is from 200 AD. The Book of Romans, the first known version is from (140 AD with the earliest claim or 225 AD with the other claim) or 250 AD, the latter is most likely the earliest it is known to have been written. The first book of Corinthians is associated with the same claims as above, it though was most likely written in 250 AD. The second book of Corinthians is associated with what The Book of Romans is associated with, the other claim is that Codex Vaticanus might have the first version of The Book of Romans, it though is in The Codex Sinaiticus. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus https://digi.vatlib.it/view/MSS_Vat.gr.1209 https://codexsinaiticus.org/en/manuscript.aspx?__VIEWSTATEGENERATOR=01FB804F&book=39&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0 The Book of Galatians : See the information about the second book of Corinthians. The Book of Ephesians is claimed to have the first known version from as far back as 140 AD, there is also another claim that the first known version is from 225 AD. It was most likely first written in 250 AD. The same applies to The Book of Philippians except that it most likely was written in 280 AD. The Book of Colossians is claimed to have the first known version of it as far back as 140 AD or in 225 AD. Another claim is that the first known version is in The Codex Vaticanus. It is in The Codex Sinaiticus which is most likely the first version of it. The two books of Thessalonians have the first known versions of them back in 215 AD. The first book of Timothy is known to have been written in 300 AD. The second book of Timothy has the first known version written in The Codex Sinaiticus. The Book of Titus has the first known version from 175 AD. The Book of Philemon has the first known version from 140 AD. The first book of Hebrews is claimed to have the first known version of it from 140 AD. It most likely was first written in 225 AD. The Book of James has a first known version of it from 200 AD. The first book of Peter has a first known version from 250 AD and the second book of it has the first known version from 300 AD. The first known version of the first book of John was written in 250 AD. The first known version of the second book of John is from 300 AD. The third book of John is first known to have been written in The Codex Sinaiticus and maybe in The Codex Vaticanus. The Book of Jude has the first known version of it from back in 300 AD and The Book of Revelations has the first known version of it from back in 150 AD. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus I don't know when The Codex Sinaiticus was written, it was written in Sinai in Egypt some time in 326 AD or 399 AD or in some year in between then. Since this is a New Testament forum I will only concentrate on The New Testament of the Koine Greek codex. It includes every verse of every chapter of The New Testament. It was written after Codex Vaticanus. Codex Vaticanus was written before the above, it was written in 300 AD or 399 AD or in some year between those years. I don't know when ! Since I am just concentrating on The New Testament side of it here I will mention that it i(as in the original) includes everything up to and including The Book of Hebrews, chapter nine, verse 14. It does not include the books of Timothy, Titus, Philemon and Revelation. Next time I will just concentrate on the artistic side of things. Jesus does not exist. ghostgeek: The English name "James" comes from the same root as the name "Jacob": the Hebrew name "Ya'akov" (יעקב). Ya'akov was first translated into Greek as "Ιakobos" (Iάκωβος), then Latinized as "Jacobus," which became Jacomus, and later James. [ https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/James_the_Just ] ghostgeek: Paul further describes James as being one of the persons the risen Christ showed himself to (1 Corinthians 15:3–8); then later in 1 Corinthians, mentions James in a way that suggests James had been married (9:5); and in Galatians, Paul lists James with Cephas (better known as Peter) and John as the three "pillars" of the Church, and who will minister to the "circumcised" (in general Jews and Jewish Proselytes) in Jerusalem, while Paul and his fellows will minister to the "uncircumcised" (in general Gentiles). (2:9, 2:12). These terms (circumcised/uncircumcised) are generally interpreted to mean Jews and Greeks, who were predominant, however it is an oversimplification as 1st century Iudaea Province also had some Jews who no longer circumcised, and some Greeks (called Proselytes or Judaizers) and others such as Egyptians, Ethiopians, and Arabs who had converted to Judaism and were thus circumcised. In describing James' ascetic lifestyle, Saint Jerome, De Viris Illustribus, quotes Hegesippus' account of James from the fifth book of Hegesippus' lost Commentaries: "After the apostles, James the brother of the Lord surnamed the Just was made head of the Church at Jerusalem. Many indeed are called James. This one was holy from his mother's womb. He drank neither wine nor strong drink, ate no flesh, never shaved or anointed himself with ointment or bathed. He alone had the privilege of entering the Holy of Holies, since indeed he did not use woolen vestments but linen and went alone into the temple and prayed in behalf of the people, insomuch that his knees were reputed to have acquired the hardness of camels' knees."[5] Since it was unlawful for any but the high priest of the temple to enter the Holy of Holies once a year on Yom Kippur, Jerome's quotation from Hegesippus indicates that James was considered a high priest. The Pseudo-Clementine Recognitions suggest this. [ https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/James_the_Just ] ghostgeek: It seems that one person alone has a problem with James the Just, Gerald, you being that person. Sorry, lad, but you're going to have to do better if you're going to convince anyone that James never lived.  Zanjan: I wouldn't trust that commentary on James. It's obviously hearsay, written down 100 plus years after the fact. There's a reason it was a lost commentary. I mean, common - an actively religious Jew that doesn't ever bathe?? Omg! I don't think so. Cleanliness is next to godliness. Everybody knows that. Jews were in the habit of washing feet because they wore sandals - the feet get dirty & dusty whenever treading on ground that's not paved. You'd definitely not enter a holy place with dirty feet. Jews did and still do their ablutions before approaching an altar or the Western Wall to pray. They've always respected the sanctity of holy ground, no matter who puts their name on it. Jewish custom was the first born male was to be dedicated to the Temple. Jesus's certain destiny was to be a rabbi. James wasn't first born. I reckon he could still be a rabbi if he chose but not a priest because those were from the tribe of Levi; descendants of Aaron were the priestly class called the Kohanim. James couldn't have been a priest because he belonged to the tribe of Judah. There is only one high priest at a time - the title says so. GeraldtheGnome: Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha ! You are quite funny at times. James means Ya'akov ? Really ? Seriously ? For a while on several forums I was misled and misled others due to it, I used a source of confirmation bias to support my own confirmation bias. Wikipedia had that the name God was first used by the Goths/Arians/Germanic Tribes. Well that wasn't exactly true and one of the reasons I keep putting the Luke Skywalker fight with Darth Vader is because most of the people around the world, including Mark Hamill, the actual one who played Luke Skywalker thought that he was told in the movie the words, "Luke, I am your father", but the thing is that he wasn't if you actually listen to the clip. He has used the Mandela effect more than once, so have I and so have you Ghostgeek. The Goths/Arians did not use the name God, more precisely the Goths that were Arians did not use the name God. There were Goths that didn't use 'Gothic' as such and those that actually did were Arians. The name for the main Christian god that Arians used was a similar name to that of the name God. It was only after a long time of challenging my own thoughts that I saw the actual name, it was due to a photograph of a page of what in English is referred to as 'The Silver Bible', that is why. Why would anyone think that an English name is now used was always used by everyone that has so far used English ? Look at Early English/Anglo-Saxon names for example. I'd like to see how you spot all of the same names that you have always used if you use Feudal Age manuscripts. James does not come Jacob or Iakobos or from Jacobus or Jacomus or from Ya'akov or any other bloody name that you want to bring up Blackshoes, I mean Bob, I mean Ghostgeek. I really am starting to have trouble seeing how you are different than him lately. Get your hand off it ! If Jacob is supposed just be from Ya'akov then so does your real name, so does my real name and so does whatever Zanjan's real name unless it's Zanjan which also is nothing like Ya'akov. You brought up one thing that I didn't think of as you got mistled and decided to also mislead myself and others, that is that with the English translation of the Koine Greek I wonder if Iakobos or something similar to it or Tzeims was used. If James is supposed to be from the earliest known Koine Greek example and Koine Greek is similar to Modern Greek then Tzeims should be the name, not Iakobos. Confusing myself and others on here with your flawed beliefs are not going to help you, you are clutching at straws. Your website address reference is even worse than the Wikipedia claim that God was a name used by the Arians more than 1,400 years ago. In fact what you presented was and still is completely useless and comical. James did not exist, Paul did not exist, Christ also did not exist, nor did Peter and any other person that you cannot and will not prove existed. John for example. There are also better suited words than some of the words that you have used and quotation marks are not always necessary. Show what is so, not the opinions of people from the long dead past who like you did not prove everything that they claimed to be true. To me a commentary is something that you hear, it is not something that can be read. The temple was possibly around, it though most likely was never built though. I don't have a problem with someone that never existed. Someone has a problem getting away from religious bias and confirmation bias. Who can that extremely delusional person be ? You that is who. Sorry mug lair but you really have no idea that you are a part of the Mandela effect. You have this default setting where you think that everyone except me agrees with you. It's an extremely arrogant, ignorant, self important, self assured, narcissistic, cocksure way of thinking. You are not only delusional, you have delusions of grandeur. I thought that the myth was supposed to be that there was at least one all knowing god, well you are using the 'God' complex right now so you obviously think that you know everything. There is a lot that all of us do not know, you though might as well use Bob's line of 'I know what I know" while you are at it. You are becoming like him after all. There are many people that don't believe that James ever lived. Even the guy on the website is closer to the truth than what you are. He's still wrong with his own confirmation bias and religious bias though. https://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/misconceptions/havharah-yakobos.html To Zanjan. Hearsay is what someone has said to someone, it is not what someone has written. Sometimes commas and hyphens are not necessary. I prefer to use a space before a question mark and before an exclamation mark. Use words, you are not using a mobile phone/cell phone to make some 50 words or less message on here. James never existed and he doesn't exist now so he can't be anything right now except a figment of the imagination. Levi ? Another 'interesting' name. So a Levi has been chucked in and an Aaron. It's like the real authors just plucked names out of a barrel after they dreamt them up. Was is the past tense word, is is the present tense word in relation to what you brought up. The story is made up and so is every religious god and goddess. Instead of going 'artistic' with things on here I have changed my mind. It's time to check out the early 'New Testament Apocyrpha' for this section. In the loosest sense of the term the word Apocrypha means hidden or hidden books. The first that I will look at are The Jewish-Christian Gospels. The Gospel of the Ebionites is claimed to have come from in or around the area that is east of the Jordan River, that means that I have no bloody way of knowing where it came from, if it came from there at all. If it came from that area then it most likely was written in what's now named Jordan. It was written in Koine Greek. The claim is that it was written in 125 AD or 175 AD or in some year in between those years. Extremely conveniently it is claimed that the original version is no longer around or at least has not been found yet. The first known reference to anything about it is from 377 AD in Salamis, Cyprus, well what is now to us as that. It was most likely written there in that year. I doubt that it was around before that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_the_Ebionites#:~:text=The Gospel of the Ebionites,of the Gospel of Matthew. The Gospel of the Hebrews was most likely written in Koine Greek is the claim, it is believed to have been written in Egypt in the second century. Well it's quite possible, Saint Clement wrote about it in Alexandria, Egypt, later on so did Origen Adamantius and it is claimed that Saint Didymus the Blind wrote about it, how so I couldn't work out, if that is true that is. Anyway that's enough about people from Alexandria. If the first reference to the 'Gospel' was in the second century or the third is unknown to me. If any of the examples are around, which I couldn't work out due to the vague and scant information that there was, is unknown to me. The third century is most likely the earliest known version still around if it is around today. It doesn't look like it though. The earliest known mention of it (if you exclude what I so far have mentioned) is in The Stichometry of NIcephorus that was written in Constaninople (now Istanbul in Turkey) in the ninth century, The Feudal Age. "Why they changed it I can't say." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_the_Hebrews Wait, I forgot, Saint Jerome in the fifth century is claimed to have written about it as well in Bethlehem, Palaestina Prima Province (Provincia), The Eastern Roman Empire. I don't know if what he wrote about it is still around. I didn't see anything to prove or disprove that he did. Did he write about it at all ? If he did then it was in The Iron Age. I think that he did anyway and he most likely did. Actually after what I read after the next sentence I'm sure that he did and that it is still around somewhere now. The Gospel of the Nazarenes was mentioned by Saint Jerome in the fifth century where I last mentioned and that it was written by Matthew in the first century. Matthew didn't exist. He also mentioned that Levi, the one you mentioned, wrote The Gospel of Christ. That's all I have about The Gospel of Christ and as far as the other is concerned, well it was also mentioned by Epiphanus and Origen (without the energy). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_the_Nazarenes The Gospel of Marcion is claimed to have been written in the mid second century. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Marcion The Gospel of Mani is claimed to have been written in the third century in Syria. The earliest (that I know of) version is in The Cologne Mani Codex of the fifth century in Egypt. It was written in Koine Greek, it is of the religion known as Manichaeism which to me looks like an early type of religion that is somewhat similar to your own. It is claimed that the first version was written in Syriac. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mani en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cologne_Mani-Codex The Gospel of Apelles is claimed to have been written in the mid second century. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Testament_apocrypha The Gospel of Bardesanes is claimed to have been written in the late second century or early third century. The Gospel of Basilides is claimed to have been written in the mid second century. Also Origen mentioned it apparently. Just look at what I have about that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Basilides The Gospel of Thomas is claimed to have been written as early as 60 AD or in 250 AD at the latest. Well most claim that it was written in the second century, which is more likely. The earliest written examples have at least one dated as 130 AD but it was most likely written in Egypt in 200 AD. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Thomas I will not go through the rest of the list, you can check them out, like the 'Christ' as kid manuscripts. Next time I will go to the 'artistic' side of things. GeraldtheGnome: First of all where is there evidence that proves that even one church was around before the third century ? https://www.oldest.org/religion/churches/ Where is the evidence that proves that even one church was around before the third century in what is now Israel and in what is now The Palestinian territories ? I mean Christian Churches of course. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_church_buildings I don't use the word oldest that way, they are not life forms after all. I was going to bring up some artistic stuff so here it is. Jesus does not exist and Jesus never existed. I don't agree with some of the things in the video. The Feudal Age, 732 AD to and including 1175 AD, The Dark Ages, 476 AD to and including 732 AD. The Iron Age , 500 BC to including 476 AD. In 400 AD there were no Christians in The Arctic, there also were none of them in The Southern Hemisphere. Christians were in The Eastern Hemisphere though and in the Western Hemisphere. None of them lived at zero degrees North, zero degrees South, zero degrees East and zero degrees West degrees because it was and still is a fair way out in The Atlantic Ocean. The centre of Christianity at the time was Rome in The Western Roman Empire. I will bring up this bit about Christianity in 400 AD next time. Jesus never existed. (Edited by GeraldtheGnome) ghostgeek: What should we trust from the past when so much from the present is dubious? There's no way of knowing if Hegesippus was romancing or was passing on factual information about James but it's a good tale. Those "camels' knees" are a really striking detail in my opinion. ghostgeek: Gerald, I don't remember ever claiming that the Goths were the first ones to use the name "God" and quite frankly I really don't care if they did or they didn't. ghostgeek: As for there being no Christians in the Arctic in 400 AD, I can't say I'm surprised to hear it. GeraldtheGnome: Trust what can be proven from the past, don't dismiss what is properly true about the past and don't believe the hype it's a sequel. I prefer to use a space before a question mark and there also are some better suited words than two of the words that you used. Sometimes there is no need for quotation marks. I never have spoken to you so therefore you have heard nothing from me. At The North Pole there was no life on the Ice Cap there or even within the Ice in 400 AD unless there was at least one visitor that briefly visited it such as a Polar Bear. Below the Ice back then there was Cod. Cod will never die until maybe the end of all life on Earth, maybe Cod will fry to death. Cod lives on after the death of the great Cod since the Fry of Cod will live on therefore Cod. Cod was worshipped by prey there because when they didn't worship Cod and pay full attention to Cod otherwise they became one with Cod as a source of energy and sustenance. Cod was all around the prey there, Cod were supreme, Cod was the sparer of life when Cod were not hungry and the taker of life when were hungry. When it came to the prey they had the fear of Cod. Praise to Cod. Amen. The Polar Ice Cap had the Polar Bear that prey above the Ice Cap worshipped the Polar Bear and paid full attention to Ursus Maritimus because if one didn't then one would think 'Bear with me' as one became one with Ursus Maritimus as Ursus Maritimus chomped down on one quicker than anyone now can say, "Does a Bear crap on the ice ?" Ursus was not the son of Cod. Ursus Maritimus was also was 'worshipped' and 'paid full attention to' by prey on Wrangel Island back in 400 AD. In the any part of the open ocean of the Arctic back in 400 AD Orca was worshipped by prey and paid full attention to Orca for if they didn't you know what would have happened, well you get the idea from the theme I'm going with here. In what is now Russia. 400 AD Humans there either had no religion there at the time or Pagan Polytheism of some sort of religion or of some sorts of religions. Now for the South, The Southwest Pacific Ocean the Tiger Shark was 'Cod' to the prey there. In The Southwest Pacific there was either no religion there at the time or Pagan Polytheism of some sort of religion or of some sorts of religions. As for the East, well just look at at the bits on here above the last paragraph. With the West it is roughly the same as the information as the first sections of this message. The difference is that the closest populated areas of land to zero degrees West in the most northern sector was The Shetland Islands in 400 AD, now a part of Scotland, The United Kingdom and obviously not named The Shetland Islands back then. The islanders were Polytheist Pagans of at least one religion that I know nothing about. With the Central bit geographically in 400 AD that refers to zero degrees North, zero degrees South, zero degrees East and zero degrees West. That is far out in The Atlantic Ocean. The Great White Shark was 'Cod' to prey there. The central/centre of Christianity though was The Western Roman Empire in 400 AD, specifically what is now a part of Vatican City, back then it was just a part of Rome within Rome/Italia (the region) within The Western Roman Empire. The Pope/Bishop of Rome of what is loosely referred to as 'The Roman Catholic Church' was Pope in 400 AD (according to what is in Wikipedia). The Western Roman Emperor Honorius ruled during that year, Christianity was the main religion throughout most of The Western Roman Empire. Next time I will look at The Northwest Pacific Ocean. Jesus does not exist and he never existed. (Edited by GeraldtheGnome) GeraldtheGnome: The North bit of this starts off with The Northwest Pacific Ocean in north western sections of the ocean that make up the minority of the northwest sector. It is where Orca was 'Cod' to the prey there.Elsewhere in the Northwest Pacific The Great White Shark was 'Cod' to the prey in 400 AD. The Western Aleutian islands in 400 AD The Stellar Sea Lion was 'Cod' to prey. With the South The Great White Shark was 'Cod' over the prey, more so than a Tiger Shark in The Southwest Pacific. What is now Papua New Guinea would have had tribes with various polytheist religions back in 400 AD. As far as the East goes, well see my bit about 'The North' on here. Now to the West. The information about The Orkneys is just the same as that of The Shetlands. The Central bit is just the same as last time. The central/centre of Christianity though was as with the last message. If it is true as is claimed, though I'm doubtful about it even though it was most likely around then, then the original Saint Peter's Basilica was around in 400 AD in what is now Vatican City, then only a part of Rome and that of The Western Roman Empire. Elsewhere in Rome, the city itself, The artistic panel named 'Two Mary's with Angel near the empty tomb' was made. Those that the depiction was of and that of Jesus did not exist. Jesus does not exist now either. Next time I will start off by looking at The Commander Islands of what is now Russia. (Edited by GeraldtheGnome) ghostgeek: Just think of it. Poached God in Parsley Sauce. I wonder if it will present moral quarms at the dinner table? GeraldtheGnome: Cod, the great divine one, order 69, completely divine. Fear Cod, Cod almighty. I was just doing the play on words bit to ridicule the silly belief that there is a god name God when in reality he is made up. It will be impossible for anyone to poach a god named God because he is made up. Interestingly enough there are various theories about what form that god takes, some have that he has a physical form somehow, others that he is a ball of light or a ball of electricity/plazma/plasma or that he is a ball of gas. To me if one is claimed to be anything than around in a proper physical form then how is that one around at all ? For those foolish enough to believe that a god named God is around somewhere in one form or another how can they be sure when the standard Modern English version of their religion, if they believe in The Bible for some reason, have a problem with the times that the god named God was depicted in different ways ? I mean one version of that has that he walked in the woods. If you believe that there is a god and that there was a god named God who had Humans in his image and they were naked then surely the god that you believe was around back then must have been naked too. I didn't see any religious passage that had, "What have you got on covering your body", said by those you refer to as Adam and Eve. The garden was never around, nor was the god named God and nor were Adam and Eve. I prefer to use a space before a question mark and before an exclamation mark. I have a picture of the blessed Cod that I mentioned, blessed be thy name and blessed be the fruit as Aunt Lydia used to say. Our Birdseye, which art in heaven, hallowed be thy gamefish. Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done in Earthenware as it is in Heaven the nightclub. Give us today our daily breadcrumbs and fillet ever Fish who trespasses, as we fillet them that trespass against us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from weevils. For thine is the kingdom, The power and the glory mongers for whatever they sever. Amen. The god named Cod is as imaginary as God is. Then again maybe I am wrong and Cod does exist. https://www.shutterstock.com/video/clip-3884459-arctic-cod-fish-swim-shallow-water en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boreogadus_saida I forgot to mention earlier that The Aleutians is a group of islands that extend out from south west Alaska (in The United States of America) and stretch out towards Russia, they are basically a part of Alaska, just west of them are The Commander Islands of Russia. Everywhere that I have mentioned so far are places that I want to go to. I though have been to Rome in Italy and are am more than just willing to go back there. Italian girls.    Back to things about what was in the North in 400 AD. The Commander Islands are technically the western group of The Aleutian Islands. They are now a part of Russia. Fox, known to prey as Dog, knew that they were Dog fearers, they worshipped Dog and paid full attention to Dog for the same reason that I mentioned about Cod earlier. Now and again though the prey would look at each other when Fox/Dog was not there and ask each other, "What did the Fox say ?" It sounds like, "What the f*#% ! Sing !" Here is what 'Dog' looks like. www.facebook.com/AsapSCIENCE/videos/arctic-fox-fails/1202604626537232/ When I mentioned the Northwest Pacific last time that also applied to each sea connected to it.At that time, 400 AD that is, there was no Humans there so I will look at The Kuril Islands of Russia. They are now disputed islands that the Russians have and yet the Japanese Government claims is a part of Japan. Back in 400 AD people in the Kurils had no religion or were into Polytheist Paganism. Now to the South, well with Tiger Sharks they are found in the Southwest Pacific and in The Torres Strait, they are 'Cod' to their prey. On The Torres Strait Islands themselves in 400 AD there were Humans on them back then who were into Polytheist Paganism. Most of the Torres Strait is in Australia and apart of 'The Sunshine State', Queensland, one that I am very proud of because it is my State and I live in the capital city of it. The Torres Strait Islands (except for at least one Papua New Guinea island) are in Queensland, Australia as well. For the east, well everything before the bit about the south was about it. Meanwhile in 400 AD The Orkney Islands (now a part of Scotland, The United Kingdom) had people on them who were into Polytheist Paganism. With the central bit, well I mentioned it before so I will go instead to things about the centre of Christianity. Archbasilica of Saint John Lateran as it is named in English was a Cathedral (for Christians of course) that was used in 400 AD in Rome, Italy. Jesus does not exist and he never existed. Next time I will look at what Japan was like in 400 AD. ghostgeek: I think Gerald has seen the light and become a worshipper of the Cod god because he's sure coming out with a load of codswallop. I mean, who but a piscatorial initiate would think of posting about Japan in 400 AD on a thread concerning Jesus Christ? ghostgeek: Yes, God likes to occupy the shadows. So is this because he's bashful, or is it because he's got a guilty conscience? Zanjan: It's because people's hearts are cold and their eyes are clouded by their perverse ways and twisted thoughts - they can't see His deeper glory, nor are they worthy of it. They don't know what genuine love is so they must be taught. The question is, what will make them teachable? Meanwhile, God is manifest in simpler ways to all. The same state of society exists today as existed in 200 CE. Only a few people had truly sensible minds......most had descended into madness. One disaster after another happened and the world was thrown into utter confusion. It took generations to level out. Even so, who, today, would want to live back then? (Edited by Zanjan) GeraldtheGnome: I am not into Cod worship, the prey are for it. The Cod fearing prey. I didn't come out with codswallop, also there are better suited words than what you came out with. What you mentioned was a bit fishy after all. I don't use the internet use of the words posting and thread, I use them in other ways though. God is imaginary. I prefer to use a space before a question mark. There never should be a comma before the word or ever. To Zanjan. People's Hearts are not cold and you are making up stuff as you go along like the manifest crap. You used a hyphen for no valid reason. Never use teachable, it's bloody annoying. I prefer to use BC than CE. Life forms exist, the word is also exist, not exists. Society as it is today, not exists and existed in reference to it. There is no reason that you should have used too many full stops and also too many commas in reference to your last sentence. In 400 AD in Japan and in the rest of Asia (where I exclude The Indian Subcontinent, every part of Eurasia and The Middle East but include Papua New Guinea) there was Pagan Polytheism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Daoism, Confucianism and so on. There was no Christianity around whatsoever. So that brings me to the South, Australia, including the Torres Straits had, Polytheist Paganism and in everywhere below the Torres Strait Islands Animism or so it is thought in 400 AD. The problem is that there in parts of Asia, the Pacific and in Australia there were no written records so you have to go off what was believed to be so that far back in many cases, which of course means that maybe there was a time without religion for at least one of those groups. The East bit is the same as my top bit on here. As for the West, well Scotland was into Polytheist Paganism, Druids and all that. It's now a part of The United Kingdom as we know, back then there in a sense wasn't even a Scotland. The centre bit, well I mentioned that before and the bit about Rome, Italy with the building that I mentioned, that was where the Bishop of Rome/Pope had his throne. Jesus is made up. Next time I will look at Eurasia in 400 AD. (Edited by GeraldtheGnome) ghostgeek: Oh dear, poor Gerald is toasting his nuts over an open fire again. When will the silly boy learn that he needs to pickle them first? | Religion Chat Room 35 People Chatting Similar Conversations |