Where is God When You Need Him? (Page 5)

ghostgeek: Frogs and flies are endemic in Egypt, therefore they weren't sent as plagues by God. That contradicts what Moses said.

Zanjan: Frogs and flies are endemic in most countries on earth. Be they in the year of the plague or not, you should be able to deduct that Moses was referring to something more peculiar than that. How often we compare something detestable to another detestable thing.

I can tell you, on behalf of all Canadians, the majority don't want to kiss frogs or flies, much less worship them. That's why on line dating sites became popular.

ghostgeek: May I suggest you peruse section 252 of the Health Instruction Yearbook 1951, the entry on Houseflies in Egypt. It makes clear that there is a marked increase in the fly population in Egypt in April of each year. The same time of year that Old Mo was bamboozling the Hebrews with talk of plagues.

KevinUse: I am sure that should also explain the plague of the death of the firstborns.

ghostgeek: Use your noddle. The Tenth Plague never happened. The Hebrews were indoors come midnight so couldn't have known what was happening in Egypt. Moses lied to them, saying the firstborn had died. No way could the Hebrews verify that fact.

KevinUse: I do not believe the plagues because Moses told the truth, I do because they appear in the word of God. that is what Faith is, it is the language of the Spirit, doesn't coexist with carnality. now typically you use a different pair of eyes, eyes of the Spirit. not a little human brain which everything about it is limited. you know so much, you see so far, you understand so deep. but all in all you know nothing

ghostgeek: I put my faith in reason, not God, because it produces results.

KevinUse: the bible is clear on gifting of faith and how everyone misuses theirs, so its your responsibility to chose what you decide you use your faith in believing, however authorization is only in God. exactly how someone can blow their income savings on something, by the same logic you decide what to do with yours, but remember the gifting comes from God.

look at this verse Romans 12:3 "For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you"

there are two most important things to learn here
1: Faith doesn't go with pride, or self-reliance but rather with humbleness because it is of God
2. faith is not a scientific fact, it is spiritual and only comes through the gifting by God.

the very faith that you put in reason originates from God, you received it by grace now you chose to invest it in reason

Zanjan: "I put my faith in reason, not God, because it produces results."

Why should *your* reason excel the faculty of reasoning in any other human brain - can you produce MRI results that prove this?

Zanjan: By the way, before the Passover happened, the Egyptians already knew Egypt was destroyed - that's why they, too, tried to reason with Pharaoh to let these people go to worship their own God. That's what it was about - which religion one was permitted to have.

The people liked the Hebrews and had no quarrels with them. There was only one man who couldn't approve - he was the head of the old established religion. No surprise, eh.

The text doesn't say "the Hebrews were indoors" - it says the followers of Moses were in their houses. That could mean the zodiac, for all you know. In Exodus 12, we find the beginning of the Jewish Calendar (official founding of the Jewish religion) and instructions regarding the Passover in the first month in its first year - this was the launch.

Exodus 12: 3 " In the tenth day of this month they shall take to them every man a lamb, according to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an house"

"The house of their fathers", Ghost, is not the same thing as your little shack on 8th street. It's their traditional religion. Lord knows, there must have been umpteen sects by then, more if you include pagan religions. The Hebrews (believers in one God) were to eat of the roasted lamb in the evening, in their father's house and not leave any leftovers to morning. They were to burn the leftovers.

"and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning."

I think we can safely say here that they were given something to do and God wouldn't allow anyone to leave until it was done properly. This was the way they came to a reckoning with their past in light of their new path. God must approve before you can move. We need to learn the important lessons before going forward.

You can think of this event as identical to burning your bridges behind you. It's not enough to say goodbye to something like your old ways, attachments and traditions, even some people - you have to prepare yourself to never return.

Zanjan: Skelvinett, we need to apply both faith and reason - that is, put all of our faculties into motion to discover the truth of a matter. The Bible says "Come, let us reason" - this implies one should become knowledgeable through consultation, gather the facts of an issue, and become aware of the dynamics and repercussions of certain behaviours.

We're meant to THINK and LEARN - how else could we be thoughtful of others and mindful of God? God's grace overlooks our shortcomings - it doesn't give us knowledge.

Truth isn't handed to anyone on a silver platter - we have to go out and get it on our own, and there will be multitudes willing to assist. The Holy Books are the blueprints, not the building.

God gave us the tool of science, another means of exploring reality. The physical and spiritual planes are connected - one is a door to the other. Religion without science is nothing more than superstition and pretension. Without the tools and skill to use them, one can do some terrible damage.

There's so much ignorance about religious history - accounts that would solve many mysteries - but people are not interested in that. I blame their parents for bringing up a child that has no curiosity or love for reality. I blame them for depriving their children, holding them back from their true potential by being poor role models themselves. That's not love. Such children merely exist - they can't thrive and certainly wont survive.

The ancient people of Egypt sealed their own fate and that of the next generation.

ghostgeek: Reason: You want a result and you use your brain wattage to achieve it. I wanted to get rid of pesky carers, and now they've gone. Moral: you can sod your faith; I'll put my trust in myself.

ProphetofYAH: Sometimes you can consider bad things happen to bad people because they deserve it. And there will be more things that are bad happen because they have rejected the testimony of the prophets of YAH. And if your into christianity or a religion controlled by mans power to rule over them because they are ignorant and lazy. THAT IS NO EXCUSE TO FORSAKE THE INSTRUCTIONS OF YAH! BUT DONT WORRY IM SURE THOSE CHILDREN OF INIQUITY WILL FIND ANOTHER EXCUSE, OR MURDER ANOTHER HEBREW TO JUSTIFY THEIR LAWLESS BEHAVIOR. FOR LOVE AND LIES HAVE ONE THING IN COMMON IN CHRISTIANITY, WE CALL IT BLIND FAITH....LOL

Zanjan: Ghost: "Reason: You want a result an you use your brain wattage to achieve it"

Anybody can do that, even developmentally delayed individuals, who can be quite effective at manipulation. That's not reason - that's a motivation, which is most often just an excuse to justify the end. Manipulation is the first tool all sentient creatures learn to use.

Reason is comprehension of information plus understanding, which requires a 360 degree visual scan to complete its mental application. This is impossible without external assistance.

Just heard news of a former client. She was happily living in this beautiful home for several years. We were pleased to learn of her success. However, recently, she got booted from that home because she hit somebody. Her reason was that she'd been watching this Doctor show on TV and thought she could get on that show if she did something like that. She wanted that doctor to tell her what was wrong with her.

This wasn't her first rodeo and incident of "hitting". Now she's been shuffled out to a farm, far from town where she used to hold down a cushy job she loved. I'm guessing she'll be slopping pigs.

Yes, we're the masters of our own destiny; unfortunately, most people have no idea where they're headed and wont listen to the voice of reason coming from those who are trying to help them.

Zanjan: So, you've had pesky carers, Ghost. Heard that one before. All you have to do is say to the other person "I don't want anyone to help me, I want to be alone". That's honest, simple, quick and pleasant. Their response to you will be returned in kind and your request will be respected.

But honesty isn't an easy virtue to come by. In my experience, people who need help but don't want what's offered on the table, want something else -> attention. They'll ply that to the fullest, pretending they want help while acting out until they get their demands met. They become experts at drama, transforming into emotional vortexes.

These type of individuals absolutely know that their carers have a sense of commitment, and that's the button they keep pushing. I've heard this from my own parents "You owe me!"

In the case of the aforementioned client, she blames her behaviour on her birth defect because she can't accept the truth - that is, it's her choice to hit, not part of any birth defect. She believes people can be easily replaced. While she's reasoned correctly about that, she doesn't factor in that love and acceptance cant be replaced.

Zanjan: ProphetofYah, God sends His Messengers to instruct on spiritual civilization. Humans are a social creature and need this education so they can get along with others well. He wants every soul to be happy, not to be lonely but to have lots of friends.

Thus, these divine Messengers teach how to be a lovable person. If nobody likes you, you'll have a road of woe to walk by yourself.

ghostgeek: It isn't so easy to get rid of carers you don't want. Tell them to buzz off and they come back. To dispense with their services you have to go through "channels."

Zanjan: Have you thought of locking your door?

ghostgeek: There is a better solution: using the telephone.

Zanjan: That was my first suggestion - speak to them. You said that didn't work. Were you meaning to use the phone by throwing it at them?

I have a client who once called police and reported my boss for, in her own words," being too bossy". Seriously.

Have to admit though, my boss was pretty tough with her. My client is diabetic; she was informed that for each time she ate contraband, nobody would take her out to lunch. There was contraband all over her house........some of it older than a year with godknowswhat having tunneled through some of it. Her eyesight wasn't that good either.

Zanjan: Lets hope you survive without your carers, Ghost. Self-reliance does have its limitations, especially as you age. If you fall down and break a hip, lets hope they don't find your body months later.

It's important to plan for the future because it's just too easy to imagine we're immortal. God works through people - if you push them away, you push God away.

ghostgeek: You labour under a misapprehension. The carers were for my mother. As it happens, I'm her official carer, for which task I'm paid by a grateful state.

Zanjan: She must not live with you then.

In Canada, few seniors live with their family anymore - that's pretty much old world. Most of us are holding down employment. Hubby and I should have been retired a couple years ago but here we are, still working to pay the bills; so, his Mom has to live in an extended care facility. No, it's not free - her own pensions cover the hefty expense.

The government doesn't pay relatives to care for the elderly living with them so, off they go to a lodge or nursing home, where government pays someone else to look after them.

When I took over my brother's affairs (no, I don't get paid to do it), he was living in an urban rat hole, which he paid for himself. Our wretched sister couldn't care less about his comfort and needs; she just abandoned him there.

I'm so excited to have found a new place for him closer to me, a beautiful, airy environment with great service at a great deal. Was a bit of a wait but God performed a wonder work for us! My brother will have his own lovely suite with his own bathroom. It's a private facility and I'll be close enough to frequently help with extra needs.

If something happens he can't pay his rent anymore, its designation changes, or it closes down, then I'd have him come live with me before I'd throw him back into a cut -rate, government contracted personal care home. They don't even speak English well enough to make themselves understood.

You asked where God is when you need Him. Well, He was always watching out for my brother during his sufferings - God had ME on the sidelines, ready to step in when the time was right. God told me exactly when.

It may come as a shock to you but life isn't about God working ONE person into His plans. Sometimes you have to wait for your cue.

ghostgeek: Sorry to disappoint Zanjan, but you're wrong. We share the same house. And the UK government does pay relatives relatives to care for the elderly, if the stipulated requirements are met. Not that the sum doled out is more than a pittance.

I guess Canada isn't all it's cracked up to be.