Jesus changes many things, Part I (Page 2)

chay chayi: Jesus said: Mat. 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

He said "until heaven and earth pass away"

So if you say that fulfill means that the laws are not necessary anymore, so why did he say "until heaven and earth pass away" ? and he had to say otherwise, until i fulfill the law

And then he said:
19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Simple, all the laws are until heaven and earth pass away

But its only for the Jews, Jesus was a Jew, and spoke to the Jews, the commands were only given to the Jews. and when he spoke to non Jews, was only about belief and justice, not the commands of the Torah

chay chayi: Jesus never said that "i am God", if he was God, why did he never say "i am God" ?? and why does it never say in the bible that "Jesus is God" clearly, with no interpretations, plain and simple "Jesus is God in flesh"

No such thing, God is parting himself, no such thing, the word lord means master and leader, not God, God is also called lord, like saying God the lord, because God is the master and leader of everyone, all the prophets were called lord in the prophecy books, even teachers Rabbis were called lord, lord does not mean God, and God does not mean lord, they are 2 different words and meanings

bainyu: Just like the muslims... who worship the devil. Chayi this is exactly how the antichrist will get the Jews. When he comes he will promise peace and prosperity and he will sit in your temple. He will play you guy like you have never been played. And you guys will be decieved. Jews have always had it hard and have always been hated so you guys will eat it all up.

Dan 8
23 “In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, a fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue, will arise. 24 He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. 25 He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power.

Dan 9
27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[h] In the middle of the ‘seven’[i] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[j] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him

31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice. Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.

33 “Those who are wise will instruct many, though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered. 34 When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them. 35 Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time.

Dan.11:36, 37 we are told, "And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvelous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers."


There are many verse about the end times. What is it that you believe about these verses and many others. There will be someone who exalts himself above every god and the god of his fathers. He will sit at the temple. He will offer peace and a lie and und up betraying. The antichrist could be a Jew. From the verse articles ive read. It makes sense. He will be very rich and powerful already. He will go against the God of his fathers. He will be be from the tribe of dan.

Sidenote- Jews basically own america.. God has blessed his people.

I was speaking with my mom about this. How Jews are hated. By everyone basically. It is all spiritual. Satan is the ruler of this world. And he hates Gods people just as he hates God.

I [Jesus] will go back to my place until they admit their guilt. And they will seek my face; in their misery they will earnestly seek me.” (Hosea 5:15)

Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, . . . and that he may send the Messiah, who has been appointed for you— even Jesus. (Acts 3:19-20)

“For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?” (Romans 11:15)

Jews have to believe in Jesus in order for Christ to come back. They will believe and put their trust in Jesus. That is what the Bible says. God really loves you guys. He wants His people to seek Him. This has been going on since moses' time. God always says the same thing to Israel. Each generation. But this is all in the Bible. Jews will place their faith in Jesus. They will turn their face to God and THEN Jesus will come. But only after that happens

Laura _: Not True! The Bible does not teach the Jews must believe in Jesus before He returns. Some may not believe till after they are resurrected. They will see King Jesus in His Kingdom on earth with King David.

Laura _: bainyu This is from Daniel 9:4 Daniels prayer- "O Lord,great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and mercy with those who love Him, and with those who keep His commandments.

Laura _: Thus says the Lord

"Keep justice and do righteousness, For My salvation is about to come, and My righteousness revealed.

Blessed is the man who does this,And the son of man who lays hold of it; Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And keeps his hand from doing any evil."

Do not let the son of the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord speak, saying "The Lord has utterly separated me from His people."

bainyu: Well we have been taught that Jews will not believe until the rapture and that they will end up being martyred but the Bible gives a certain number of Jews who will. There are Jews who are accepting Jesus as their lLord and savior and God is revealing himself. Obviously Every Jew will not not believe in Jesus before the antichrist comes and decieves the world. There will be Jews who will die for Christ during the tribulation.

bainyu: And the problem is not my me "misunderstanding" it is that God doesnt tell us exactly. God says everything we need to know in order to be aware and on guard. There are many things God/ says about the end of times. And no not everyone knows everything. Just what is neccessary.

chay chayi: Everything what says in Daniel is about a non Jew claiming he's God, like it was in the ancient times

And what it says to obey, means God, a Messiah is not worshiped, only God, the reason it should be a Messiah is that through the spirit of God that dwells in the Messiah, can you worship God, and be one with God

And it doesn't mean Jesus,it means the true Messiah, the anti Christ (Christ, means anointed Messiah, not Jesus) will be against the true Messiah, not that he will build the 3rd temple, they will fight the true Messiah, the true Messiah will gather "all" Jews to Israel, and return them to God, and build the 3rd temple, and resurrect all the dead

It doesn't say anywhere that antichrist will build the temple

And this is the total proof that he's the Messiah, that he will resurrect all the dead by God's words

Cenababy: yes no one is worshipped, but JESUS Was, so you see chayii, maybe just maybe the Jews then and still now, HAVE IT WRONG, if you think for one minute that anyone could do what Jesus did, that is insane to say the least. You want to call people insane for not believing in God, but what you fail to realize is Jesus is one with God, just as the Holy Spirit is! hmmm best pull out that bible!

Cenababy: It seems extremely ironic to me that people can see: GOD "the Father" and they can see THE HOLY SPIRIT, and , they cannot see, JESUS "the only son of God", and not tie them together as one with each other. Ridiculous people cannot see this......GOD, HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS = ISN'T THIS THREE????? WHERE'S THE MATH SO MANY PEOPLE BRAG ABOUT! Each time we talk on the bible, there are countless verses that tell exactly who and what is and is not....Jesus even explained that The Holy Spirit could not come until he died, that he would send him as our comforter to lead and guide us, and that the Holy Spirit does nothing on his own, he only does what JESUS tells him to do. Pretty interesting that so many people miss this. Again GOD says to not argue, to share and love. Jesus whole message was about LOVE and if we love, we cannot break his commandments.

As for Chayii, You really need to get your head out of the Talmud and read the Bible. You might be amazed at what you will read and see for yourself. I for one can't help what others believe and do not believe, I believe in Jesus and the bible....I study not just read, and no one tells me "what a verse truly says", I discern for myself as I see it, Jesus/God/Holy Spirit reveals it to those who really want to understand it. If you are basing all of your thoughts on what"man has ..you", you may be the one deceived not others! And Chayii, the Antichrist is not the Messiah, he is sent here (part of satan) to destroy), and Anti-Christs mean, not one but many = non believers! And yes, Jesus does say many times who he is, you better go back and read some more, btw even Genesis tells of Jesus and who he is!

chay chayi: Shortly: A son of God is not God, anyone obeying God, is a son of God, by having God's spirit

chay chayi: Jesus only spoke to Jews, and never to gentiles, he spoke against gentiles, for example;

Mat. 6:7
And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases "as the Gentiles do"

31/32
Therefore do not be anxious, saying, 'What shall we eat? ' or 'What shall we drink? ' or 'What shall we wear? ' 32 "For the Gentiles seek after all these things," and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all.

And so on

chay chayi: And Cena, about you preaching only one thing; Jesus Jesus, no laws, no nothing, here is what Jesus said;

Mat 7:21/22/23
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness."

bainyu: Jesus ministered to the Lost sheep of ISRAEL. The promise they had been waiting for. The gentiles were not waiting for Jesus. ISRAEL WAS. And that is why Jesus was speaking to them. He came for them. They were awaiting the Messiah. Jesus was promised to them. But jesus says

Matthew 28:18-20:

And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Paul said FIRST the Jew then the Gentile.

bainyu: And that verse you came is referring to believers who,do not obey God and follow His will. Jesus is God's will..

bainyu: Chay are youfrom one of the 12 tribes of Israel? Do you know your geneaology? Do you have records?

Laura _: Chayi mentioned Mathew 7:23 where Jesus says depart from me you workers of lawlessness.

Most Christians who believe they don't have to follow God's law ,should really examine this verse.

chay chayi: I am from the tribe of Judah, a descendant from David

Laura _: So was Jesus !

Laura _: Exodus 20:10 says: The seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Not a Sabbath "of the Jews."....But "of the Lord thy God."

electrician25hr: Chayii
I AM THE LORD THY GOD Shut the fcuk up, you are an IDIOT.......