The religious bigots march onward in their futile fight against gay marriage

davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Following the U.S. Supreme Court's refusal this week to take up court cases challenging the rights of same-sex couples to get civil marriages, the faith-based bigots vow to march onward!
Read here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/09/us/opponents-of-same-sex-marriage-geared-to-continue-battle-in-courts.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

This is what occupies these people's minds and time.
In a word, pathetic.
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chronology
chronology: dave. I ask this question to consider your outbursts against people of principle in America in context, are you Gay?
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: Outbursts against people of principle? Do elaborate on these principles, please.
No, I'm not gay. Does that matter?
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chronology
chronology: 'bigots' 'pathetic' most people would consider that an outburst. The GOP have many high standards of behaviour and live by those standards, we will just go round and round in circles if we follow that road of debate.
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davesdatahut
davesdatahut: If you want to call it an outburst, ok. It's an outburst. It's also a true outburst. The GOP has many high behavior standards. The far-right's faith-based stance against gay marriage is not among them.
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wayne elliott
wayne elliott: I think it speaks volumes that someone like dave who is straight would 1/ be so comfortable with who he is that he is not threatened by a minority seeking equal rights, 2/ that he can tolerantly argue against the bigotry that excludes that minority, and 3/ that he has devoted so such time and effort to that end.

As for accusing him of committing an "outburst," what I have read of his posts paints him as a considered and logical debater with a great deal of patience. So there.
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quarks
quarks:
why does the USA government have ability to say who is married? should it not be human right?
if it is human right for people to be married should it not be a certificate not a license?
licenses are issued for privileges such as driving
certificates are issued for rights such as birth
marriage should be a right not a privilege this means should be certificate not license

free people should fight to have government no longer issue licenses for marriage but instead issue certificates once two consenting adults have declared married.
take freedom back and do not allow government to dictate rights to people.

just a foregnors view but I love your country and mean no disrespect. just seems strange that marriage is privilege in free country not a right.
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The13th
The13th: This post taken alone is an outburst, accusation and name calling. Even if dave is not gay he has taken up with the gay team. Logic tend to be only possible if he can maintain neutrality but he is not.
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shadowline
shadowline: There are good reasons to be doubtful about gay marriage which have nothing to do with religion. The explosion of homosexuality in the societies of the developed world over the last forty years or so has yet to be explained, and, until it is, wariness over its health and wellness is entirely reasonable.

Perhaps when someone actually finds the gay gene that medical research has looked so hard for, without success, the time will have come to regard gay marriage as an enlightened step. Until then, it just might be no wiser than legitimizing alcoholism or kleptomania.
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chronology
chronology: shadowline. Interesting comment. The growth of Gay Web Sites on the Internet and 'Hook Up' Apps on Android Phones is suspected as facilitating the rising levels of STDs among Gay men in England. Also the use of 'Club Drugs' which lowers people's inhibitions. People go on these Sites or tap into contact Apps, and a few hours later they are having sex with other men. Some Gays complain these reports are 'homophobic', but they do not disagree syphilis and gonorrhoea levels are reaching record levels among Gays in England.
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shadowline
shadowline: Sounds very disturbing, chronology. I don't want to wade in too cavalierly about a subject I'm not well informed on, but, such things do not make the impression that something normal and emotionally well adjusted, a perfect equivalent to heterosexual relationship, is going on. Carl Jung thought homosexuality was simply a form of immaturity, and his view of the matter seems to me to be supported by facts like those you have cited.
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The13th
The13th: Ned to rush to work but yeah so the explosion of homosexuality that I am seeing in this region here is also happening elsewhere. So so of my home brew hypothesis may not be right. Talk later.
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pyroclastic flo
pyroclastic flo: there is no "explosion of homosexuality". teh Gays have always been there. they're just not so fearful of the pathetic bigots anymore and are finally becoming FREE enough to be themselves in public, a freedom taken for granted by heterosexual citizens of the "Land of the Free".

PS. as if heterosexual people don't employ dating Apps, "hook-up" online and in clubs, take drugs and pass STDs onto each other.

^ an "outburst".
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pyroclastic flo
pyroclastic flo: maybe some day science will find a "bigot gene" and be able to cure the congenital idiocy of bigotry. what an awesome world change would ensue then!
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The13th
The13th: The so called bigots by Dave and Flo are really responsible men of the society. They don't resort to name calling, they have not attempt to stop all kind of gay relationship, they just seek to stop legallizing marriage between same sex. The very end of that article says it all:

“Let’s articulate a Christian vision of what marriage should be, and let’s embody that vision in our churches,” Mr. Moore said in a blog post this week. “Let’s love our gay and lesbian neighbors.” l
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quarks
quarks:
why can government regulate marriage?
is that not religious law?
what is difference of this law and Shariah Law?
is only difference which faith makes these and siverity of these laws?

with true Christian marriage law the divorced could rarely remarry. to my knowledge only under one instance can someone divorce and remarry in accordance to scripture. it seems people wish interpret religious law to please them.

no government should pass laws of who legal adults can marry. it should be human right. homo and hedrosexuals should all demand freedom from opression and demand government return human rights to people.
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pyroclastic flo
pyroclastic flo: "boyzzwillbeboyz: The so called bigots by Dave and Flo are really responsible men of the society. They don't resort to name calling, they have not attempt to stop all kind of gay relationship, they just seek to stop legallizing marriage between same sex. The very end of that article says it all:"

i didn't call YOU anything but if the shoe fits wear it, cinderfella.

and if you're seeking to deny (secular) State issued licenses to fellow Americans based on your religious prejudices you're gonna keep losing the argument. it's a CIVIL RIGHTS issue not a religious issue and we don't (yet) live in a Christian theocracy. you'll just have to deal w/ that fact until Jesus returns and puts you in charge.

" “Let’s articulate a Christian vision of what marriage should be, and let’s embody that vision in our churches,” Mr. Moore said in a blog post this week. “Let’s love our gay and lesbian neighbors.” l "

and yeah right... nothing articulates love better than seeking to deny your "neighbors" the rights you enjoy and take for granted.

there's the effects of that defective gene again.
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shadowline
shadowline: To what extent homosexuals have "always been there" is open to question. For one thing, it can be seriously averred that homosexuality in the modern sense (exclusive, life-long) is a modern phenomenon, probably brought about by the breakdown of traditional folkways and family structures in the wake of the industrial revolution. That would be why the word "homosexual" was coined in the nineteenth century - homosexual behavior had been observed before then (pederasty, sodomy), but not the personality type.

Although there is today an extreme reluctance to acknowledge that the numbers change (because that would suggest that homosexuality is a psychological phenomenon) it is beginning to look propagandistic to deny that they do. Something more than visibility is going on. A theory as to why that is so would be enlightening, but, again, explanations are not being sought because the phenomenon itself (increase in incidence) is politically incorrect. Just deny it and it will go away, being the popular view.

So far no evidence has come to light that homosexuality is inborn and physical in basis. Medical researchers have tried assiduously for decades to find this evidence, but without success. That fact alone may not de-legitimize anything, but it should be acknowledged. The myth that homosexuality is analogous to race, is, so far, just a myth.



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pyroclastic flo
pyroclastic flo: all that doesn't change the fact that you're seeking to deny tax paying US citizens their civil rights.

that's the bottomline, cinderfella
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The13th
The13th: Flo, unfortunateky i am neither christian or any faith based nor gay, just a neutral observer that happen to notice Dave's many threads on this matter continue to refer to christian as bigots, while christian or faith based group do no such thing. Bear in mind faith based group are also tax paying citizen, and they have civil right as well, and they appear to be the the one who know how to exercise theeir civil right by getting the high court to rule on the matter of gay marriage. They don't called gays names, and they love their gay neighbors. Very admirable. I don't understand your bitterness but perhaps u should spend more times with those lovely faith based people.
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The13th
The13th: And Dave, no there is nothing pathetic about these faith based people. They love u even if u called them bigots.
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pyroclastic flo
pyroclastic flo: boyzz? are you kidding me? faith based Christian bigots call Gay people "abominations" and equate the love Gay folks hold for each other to beastiality and pedophelia. how is that not insulting? and there is zero Love in trying to deny your fellow citizen their civil rights. you're no more a "neutral observer" than i am. you're taking sides against equal treatment under SECULAR law..

i'm not bitter. i'm not Gay so there's no group of holier than thou idiots insisting that i'm a less than human abomination and therefore less deserving of human rights. despite my inherent heterosexuality i can empathize w/ those who struggle against the smugly self righteous religionists who deflect attention from their own "sins" by focusing on the sex lives of total strangers, voyeuristic perverts.

you're as intellectually and spiritually dishonest as the Bible enhanced bigots you so admire as "lovely faith based people". in the not so distant past you'd likely be standing beside lovely faith based racists seeking to deny mixed race couples the right to State issued marriage licenses. there's always some group of egoistic gawd justified power junkies trying to keep their heavy moralistic boot on the necks of some targeted "underclass" .
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The13th
The13th: Civil right is just a framework wihin which we judge what is right or wrong or not sure. I actually thought this is a perfect example of civil right. Gay think same sex marriage is what they want. Church think it aren't right so they seek the supreme court wisdom to rule on this. The supreme court doesn't have the ball ot the wisdom to rule on this so they reject which is also their right.

Violation of civil right is when you bring this to my mom. If my mom found me fucking another guy she will spear me to death. Civil right be damn.

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pyroclastic flo
pyroclastic flo: what?

you poor thing! that defective gene has you babbling nonsensical.
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The13th
The13th: OK, great clues. So in the midst of industrial revolution we start to see personality type homosexuality. The explosion of gay is real, which lead to one of our female minister outcry of "gay can fill whole stadium". I think more like a few stadiums. I have been pondering this for a while and suspect some "legitimate" chemicals we used in food might have side effect and start to mutate the population in some way towards homosexuality. I hope someone can do a research to find out if common food like curry or spieces might have increase chance of homosexuality. I also suspect the war between Pakistan and India is more than just Muslim versus Hindu, but there might be a slight twist of straight vs gay factor involved. So as you can see this topic is of great importance. Over here we sit on our luara and do nothing, so it is admirable to see faith based group stand up and say "no, I have to take this issue to the supreme court".
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pyroclastic flo
pyroclastic flo: exploding gays, industrial revolution, curry, spices, muslim/hindu conflict ...

mmhmm

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