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Zanjan
Zanjan: Blackshoes: "That doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about ."

Doesn't mean they know either. They were supposed to be spiritual teachers, not interpreters. I'm referring to the times they overstepped their boundaries and thereafter clung to erroneous interpretations because they were watching each other's ever-so-flawless backs. By the way, this is not confined to Christianity - pride isn't picky who it chooses.

People were mostly illiterate so who was going to cross-check them? Not then, but now....yes. Now they have to defend their past from inquiring minds, within and without. One can't call anything a fact by taking it on a guess. The only facts on the essence of God are that He doesn't have a physical body, is not a man, and is pre-existent.

Sorry, we know what gravity is and we understand how it works, also that there's more than one kind of gravitational force. (not to be confused with the other types of forces) The ancients certainly didn't know that - I suppose if they had need to know, they would have discovered it.

Of course, how you understand the nature of God isn't going to send you to hell....it wont send you to heaven either. I think mistaking an object for God, cutting Him into pieces or giving Him partners would not garner His good pleasure, considering what He's said of Himself in scripture.



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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Sorry we don't know what gravity is or why it is ? They cannot create it ! Thus they only understand it.
I'm just not able to convey what I mean ?
Like said ? If you feel you can understand what others cannot?
Great
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Zanjan
Zanjan: I'm not able to conva what you mean either
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: I'm not on my computer . I'll explain later
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Emmet2Tim2_7
Emmet2Tim2_7: ty Zanjan for your knowledgeable replies ,your ways of viewing Rev 5 6 was very interesting in the incorporation of the menorah.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: We each get out of those verses whatever makes sense to ourselves - an effort to digest is a lot better than leaving it at 'forget it' . Cheers.
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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Everyone Knows that Gravity is a Force ! However : No one knows why that gravity is Force ..


Quite a number of experiments show that Einstein was right about this idea and a lot of others. But there are questions for which even Einstein had no answers.

Model of an atom. For example, if gravity is a force that causes all matter to be attracted to all other matter, why are atoms mostly empty space inside? (There is really hardly any actual matter in an atom!) How are the forces that hold atoms together different from gravity? Is it possible that all the forces we see at work in nature are really different sides of the same basic force or structure?


We Know that Jesus is The Son of God ! We Know that Jesus is God in the Flesh .We know that the is only one God ',We know this because the Bible says so .Do we know how Can God be three persons .Yet one God .Well I don't ! Nor doI need to Know .Some things just need to taken on Faith .
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Atoms have mostly empty space inside for the same reason there's mostly empty space between the earth and moon, except for the space junk.

The basic principle is simple - all things revolve around a center of attraction, from the macrosim to the microcosm, both on the physical and spiritual planes. Blackshoes, considering the nature of your questions about physics, any high school science teacher can answer them.

Truth doesn't need to be taken on faith - hope does, and the future does. My faith in anyone could be crushed at any moment, same for a trust I place in something that is only here for today.

Truth, however, is testable and stands the test of time.


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Blackshoes
Blackshoes: Again'. I've failed again in conveying my point '.Zan
Atoms are almost entire empty .. The point is Why ?

We know that there's only one God .
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HydroMan
HydroMan: how did this topic go from the Trinity to atoms?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: The empty space in the middle?
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Ok, I'll fly with you, Blackshoes, just for fun.

Maybe the idea of trinity (a pagan concept) sprung from the 4 kinds of love:

There is the love that God has for man

There is the love of man for man

There is the love man has for God

Well, there seems to be something missing because that's a triangle of love flowing in different directions - how can it orbit?

For the sake of conforming to universal principle, how about putting the fourth love in the middle:

There is the love of God for God.

Well, now you have a a center of gravity, thus an orbit of the three.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Visuals of the physical aren't meant to convey accuracy - they're just a tool to assist learning, illustrating that something is LIKE THIS, not that something IS this.
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itsmesteveb72
itsmesteveb72: To me I have a hard time with the trinity... All through the Bible it says God is One, not three. 1st Timothy 2:5 says: 5 For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.

Jesus said He is the I AM. John said the Word was God. Immanuel means: God with us.
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robertbatchelor
robertbatchelor: Trinity is from Alexandra. As CENA says at the start it is man made. GOD is ONE
God said in the BIBLE Jesus was his beloved SON.. The BIBLE is clear there is only ONE GOD.
ONE GOD, ONE FAITH & ONE BAPTISN.
The man Jesus Christ . JOHN :- The WORDS was WITH GOD that is by he was GOD and the only reason. WITH is not hand in hand & side by side ask William Shakespeare.
and other point from the BIBLE is The redeemed will go from being below angels to above angels. They will sit in the Throne with the KING OFKINGS. So in heaven before Jesus was born we had ENOCH, ELIJAH & Moses. so now we that a GODHEAD of six !!!
Sorry if you do not follow BIBLE standards.
Then when JESUS returns to heaven he takes the FIRST FRUITS which is 4 from each generation back to ADAM so now in heaven there is well over a hundred in the ROYAL FAMILY in heaven. So TRINTY is RUBBISH .
JESUS said in the BIBLE the true believers were GODS now think again . But still only GOD THE FATHER is GOD .
This should get you going ???

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robertbatchelor
robertbatchelor: I can see real problems here as Cena says no mere man could do what JESUS did.

I will Quote JESUS then !
"I do everything through the father that sent me." using only the power of the FATHER .

So JESUS did nothing a man cannot do . NOTHING of himself at all JESUS said that.

JESUS was here to prove to SATAN man can keep the law and not sin.
Cena please listen to GOD .
I am only borrowing this from GOID just as anyone can This is not my OPINION.
You or anyone can do this throw the FATHER like Jesus did .


" the desciples did more MIRACLES through the FATHER than JESUS did throw the FATHER .
. JESUS was in fact the WORD but refused to use the power of the word as thaT was the SPIRIT part of himself.
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robertbatchelor
robertbatchelor: STRANGE HOW LITTLE PEOPLE KNOW AND FIGHT AS IF IT A HUMAN OPINION.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Interpretation leads people astray, every time.

When all the Prophets of God agree on what Christ said, that is the right understanding.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: John 1 "the WORD is JESUS, and the word is from the beginning, and was and will always be. Jesus name was Emmanuel-meaning God with Us...If you would like the scriptures, just let me know. There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus was/is who Christians think he is, none!!!! Even in Genesis it tells of Jesus.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1 ,14; Col. 2:9), and only God can satisfy the Law requirements of a perfect life and perfect sacrifice that cleanses us of our sins.

All people have sinned against God. But, God is infinitely holy and righteous. He must punish the sinner, the Law- breaker. If He didn't, then His law is not Law, for there is no law that is a law without a punishment.

The punishment for breaking the Law is death--separation from God.

1)Therefore, we sinners need a way to escape the righteous judgment of God. Since we are stained by sin and cannot keep the Law of God, then the only one who could do what we cannot is God himself. That is why Jesus is God in flesh. He is both divine and human. He was made under the Law (Gal. 4:4), and He fulfilled it perfectly.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Why on earth would you want to escape the righteous judgment of God?? Do you hate righteousness?

God doesn't keep the law for you - that's your job.

If you couldn't keep the law of God, He wouldn't have given it to *you*, plain and simple. He gives it to you as a beacon, a teacher, and a joy. Why do you think He has chosen people? Do you imagine He doesn't know who can and cant keep His law? Would He give them a burden greater than they could bear?

If you love God, you will be able to live a law-abiding sinless life by your own choice. Very easy because loving God means you want what God wants. Just because you think you couldn't do it doesn't mean others cant.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: zan, what do you not get about "sinning", is that keeping the law? Heck no....and once more, God wanted us to have salvation, it isn't people who want to escape anything.

Obviously you can't read or understand what the above verses are talking about! It is from the bible, not me, not my blasted opinion. If you don't agree with Christianity that is your deal not mine.

The bible and the WORD is quite clear, period.
Dice it up anyway you want

NO ONE is sinless, NO ONE, only Jesus was perfect! Period, the end

if you call someone a name, that is a sin, gossip, slander, malice, deceit, strife, envy, jealousy, etc GO READ ROMANS
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robertbatchelor
robertbatchelor: NOW GIRLS I understand both of you.
I( have seen this problem often in my 80 years.
The LAW is in fact the CHARACTER of GOD.
God never set a task we cannot OBEY.
" We wil not be JUDGED BEYOND THAT WE ARE ABLE" unquote GOD speaking.

Now Girls I hope GOD made the perfectly clear !!
JESUS was fully human YET the WORD at the same time WHICH humans cannot work that one out. " For now are WE THE SONS OF GOD"
Please bear with GOD on those words.
Jesus was MAN and the WORD agreed in heaven MAN CAN OBEY THE LAW !!
So the word made JESUS obey in full the law EMPOWERED by GOD as King David had to and did.
ENOCH obeyed the Law so to did Elijah AND MOSES only failed ONCE and had to DIED> YET was translated alived body and all.

Friends I like both of you and want you both to agree with GOD.
There were others who only sinned once in the BIBLE as well.
Jesus said " I do EVERYTHING through the FATHER that sent ME "
Please take this as GOD speaking !!
JESUS never at anytime used the POWER FROM GOD TROUGH the WORD. The WORD would never agree to CHEATING !!!.
JESUS did it just exactly the same as we have to do it.
We are not on our own GOD will EMPOWER YOU to OBEY & UNDERSTAND >
1 Cor.2:14 is the MIRACLE you can use everyday just as JESUS had to.


"Come let use REASON together '
Please be kind to each other .


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robertbatchelor
robertbatchelor: The BIBLE is written in CODE so those who do not want to understand get what they WANT >
I see you both have great pertentual. Please REASON together
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Robert no, I posted scripture, and man did not follow the law, that's why Jesus came! It is very clear in the bible, that man breaks the laws!
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