Trinity never explained better! (Page 4) Cenababy: ummm perhaps JESUS needs to explain this to you and not Hydro or myself, since you obviously didn't get it! Zanjan: I personally met Jesus - He gave me His approval so I'll take His opinion over yours, thanks. Blackshoes: Zanjan :You have personally meet Jesus '. Face to Face ,within a dream or in a out of body spiritual state ? Blackshoes: OK so have seen Jesus just once ', Or often ? You can say that much ,I hope (Edited by Blackshoes) robertbatchelor: I know today few understand GOD sends people with advice to other people. Usuually the most unexpected people. Mostly just ordinary people. I meet a man working for an airline Never saw him before yet I know GOD sent him to help me . ghostgeek: Sorry to be a doubting Thomas here but how could a being with a spiritual body produce audible footsteps? Isn't that the hallmark of something physical? ghostgeek: "Hypnagogic or hypnopompic hallucinations are visual, tactile, auditory, or other sensory events, usually brief but occasionally prolonged, that occur at the transition from wakefulness to sleep (hypnagogic) or from sleep to wakefulness (hypnopompic). The phenomenon is thought to have been first described by the Dutch physician Isbrand Van Diemerbroeck in 1664. The person may hear sounds that are not there and see visual hallucinations. These visual and auditory images are very vivid and may be bizarre or disturbing." [ http://patient.info/doctor/Hypnagogic-Hallucinations.htm ] ghostgeek: Just because a person thinks they hear or see something that others cannot it doesn't necessarily mean they are experiencing something physically real. Below is part of a post by "Lucy" on the mind.org.uk website: "The first time I knew I felt different was when I was in school, it was in my 5th year of primary school and I ran out of the classroom to the playground with my friends and there was a man with his hood up wearing all black and standing in the middle of the playground. I stopped dead. But no one else could seem to see him. He was scary. I started seeing him more and more. He would appear in different places all the time. I saw a lot of black cats too, to other people they where not there, but to me they couldn't have been more real." [ http://www.mind.org.uk/information-support/your-stories/hearing-voices/#.VZrmP_kbJrw ] Could this phenomenon be the basis for some people's religious experiences? Cenababy: I doubt seriously that is the same thing. As therapists ask, are you seeing and smelling things others don't ? signs of psycho problems. I had an experience but it was far from a psychotic situation! There are those that have had experience with Jesus. This girl obviously was seeing all kinds of things, totally different! Zanjan: Ghost re: audible footsteps. Can your brain commit to memory a sound? Mine can. Those in the next world retain their memories too. When I recall that incident, I can still hear those footsteps as clearly as then. Why footsteps, and not a wind or clanging or crack of lightening or something like that? Well, it's a message He wanted to send me....something I will never forget, as if the incident itself wasn't dramatic enough, eh. I could hear those footsteps as they were ascending, like going upstairs. "that occur at the transition from wakefulness to sleep (hypnagogic) or from sleep to wakefulness (hypnopompic). " Yes - that's when the mind is most receptive, not in the mood to fight, to challenge, to be afraid, or distracted. That's when the mind is most open to reality. I was a calm observer, unperturbed. You should learn what a hallucination is; those who have them, have them often, and while talking to and walking around other people. They have no impact or outcome other than to cripple normal daily functioning, reflective of a mind stuck in limbo. My event wasn't like that. Don't confuse mental illness with a live, real time spiritual encounter experienced by a physically healthy, functioning individual, happening only once in a lifetime. (Edited by Zanjan) HydroMan: Space There are three dimensions of space; height, width and depth. All coincide in the same space, yet are distinct. For example, height is distinct from width, which is distinct from depth, which is distinct from height. Yet, they are not three 'spaces' but one. That is, they all share the same nature: space (height is not width, width is not depth, depth is not height, yet height is all of space, width is all of space, and depth is all of space). And while each is all of space, space does not exist unless all three dimensions exist. For example, if there is no height then there is no space. When we compare this to the Trinity, we will see that each person is distinct, yet is all God (the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not the Father, yet the Father is all-God, the Son is all-God, and the Holy Spirit is all God). And while each is all-God, God does not exist unless all three persons exist (if there is no Father, then there is no God). As the dimensions of space are coexistent, so are the Persons of the Trinity. As the dimensions of space are coequal, so are the Persons of the Trinity HydroMan: Time There are three periods of time; past, present and future. There is no confusion between the three. The past is distinct from the present, which is distinct from the future. And time does not consist of less than all three (it is impossible to conceive of time as having only one or two tenses). Time is inseparably three; there is plurality in time. However, time demonstrates unity, as all periods are aspects of the same nature. Each is simultaneous, yet they are not three 'times' but one. That is, they all share the same nature: time. For example, is the "past" plus the "present" plus the "future" a total of three times? No. It simply is a representation of three distinct aspects of the nature of time: past, present, and future. Likewise, the Father and the Son and Holy Spirit are not three separate gods, but three distinct persons in the one nature of the Godhead. And God does not consist of less than all three persons. Zanjan: Beg to differ on the previous post. The Holy Spirit is not a person. God is not a person. The Son, however, IS a person. None of the above can be contained in space. It's really crazy how people hang on to the garbage clergy have fed to them over the eons, and never question whether it makes sense, even when there is no foundation in scripture for those twisted antiquated notions, which mostly came out of the dark ages. I'm not a fan of giving up my power of intellect to someone else. The three dimensions couldn't exist without at least one or more higher dimensions above them, since the physical reality is the lowest plane of existence. Time has no power; it's merely a counting system, a measuring tool, based on the rising and setting of earth's sun. In the world of God, time doesn't exist - past, present and future are joined in eternity. God's Plan happens in sequence. God loves pairs and nature loves triples. (Edited by Zanjan) Cenababy: I don't think that is what Hydro is on about Zan. And no, it is not just clergy that teach this. There are numerous verses that prove and Jesus is one with the father and holy spirit Jesus stated , I will leave you with the Holy Spirit. The Trinity is 3 manifestations of ONE, not person. Jesus was Man and Diety or he could not have done what he did, there is no way a "mere" MAN can atone for sin, Jesus did atone for sin! | Religion Chat Room 9 People Chatting Similar Conversations |