Religion is the Biggest Joke on the Planet (Page 4)

defibsrus
defibsrus: I would never take a comfort blanket from a child!
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Yeshua Hu Adonai!!!!!!!
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defibsrus
defibsrus: "My comfort blanket keeps me safe"
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: Should I believe in aliens? Maybe they're out there somewhere but I've never seen one standing on a street corner. This makes me doubt that they are visiting earth on a regular basis, as some people claim. I could be wrong, but the weight of evidence so far available suggests to me that I have good reason to be skeptical.

Should I believe in God? Maybe a deity exists, but nothing I've read in the Bible would suggest this. Take the plagues of Egypt as an example. There are more of them listed in Exodus than in Psalms, and their order is different. Then, when I studied them in detail, I found them strangely familiar. All, except the last one, sounded like descriptions of Egypt in spring. And the death of the first born? Look into it carefully and you can see that it need never have happened. All in all, not a good basis for believing in a God that delivered Israel from bondage.

The lesson to be drawn from the above? Be skeptical of popular beliefs.
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Geoff
Geoff: Should I believe in a cosmic teapot?
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Geoff
Geoff: Sorry, for those that don't know basic philosophy - Bertrand Russell said that "I ought to call myself an agnostic; but, for all practical purposes, I am an atheist. I do not think the existence of the Christian God any more probable than the existence of the Gods of Olympus or Valhalla. To take another illustration: nobody can prove that there is not between the Earth and Mars a china teapot revolving in an elliptical orbit, but nobody thinks this sufficiently likely to be taken into account in practice. I think the Christian God just as unlikely."
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: I have never found a china teapot that did not originate on the earth, so I feel honour bound to advise caution when it comes to believing in interplanetary crockery.
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defibsrus
defibsrus: "Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines".
Whatever about teapots, there appears to be an abundance of crackpots!
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Geoff
Geoff: @defibsrus - well, yes there is that.

But the majority of those who follow a god assume that said god preaches the modern morality of their society. So... since they still (at least in the US) make up the majority of the populace, let's take baby steps to waking them up to the warming light of reality.
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defibsrus
defibsrus: Well said Geoff and to some degree I concur, I had no idea how sucked in to the bible these people are.
Growing up under the shadow of nuclear war is not something I wish for future generations, as I did. Considering the effect of organised religion on world events recently it would seem we do not have time for baby steps.
They want their rapture.
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deuce916
deuce916: Cenababy will one day bow down to the truth.
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Well I don't know about you guys but paying attention to the news there is many threats of nuclear warfare. Nearly every political leader is claiming to get uranium or plutonium and make it weapons grade soon so they can show the world their military strength. Whether it's N. Korea, Iran, Russia ex-president Gorbachev suggesting another cold war, or some other loon who wants to make our lives worse for some reason it's been vocalized many times ever since Openheimer perfected the warhead.

I'd rather decisions that involved military use in any country were decided by a computer algorithm that favored peace negotiations first but what the hell do I know I just like the one life I've been given and respect other's chance to enjoy theirs as well.
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Hydraman, I disagree with your notion that totalitarian states are synonymous with atheism. Stalin, Hitler, and Zedong were not heads of some type of atheist/agnostic religious belief in the same way the pope, dalai llama or abu bakr are heads of religions. That wouldn't even make sense. How can you advise people not to worship something, and that has no fluid belief system other than a couple theories based on evidence and logic? Nearly any activity lets you be an atheist. Whether you value marriage, child birth, death penalty, etc. or don't value those things. Religions have clear guidelines on many different issues that haven't changed for over 2,000 years (except for the apologists) so if you don't follow those guidelines you are not a member.

Furthermore, agnostics/atheists should be just afraid of these types of governments as any who is religious because they are quick to punish, quick to oppress, and do not allow freedom or rule-bending. There is no freedom of speech, the press, and they set out laws to govern people's personal lives (even more strict than religion!). Plenty of people have envisioned these horror stories in books and movies. The gestapo-like towns. The death upon dissent of obedience. Martial law. Book burning.

What you are thinking of is the most extreme example of dictatorship and control. It has little to do with what someone thinks about a couple allegories and fables and everything to do with politics gone out of control.
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Geoff
Geoff: To paraphrase that old quote.

Considering the diversity of mutually exclusive deities infesting this planet, I contend that we are both atheists, I merely believe in one god fewer than you.
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chronology
chronology: Java. There is a very depressing pattern that religions take when they take over a country. Without exception the first thing to go are basic human rights and civil rights. Next women and workers are targeted for 're education' religious peddlers like their sex toys to be obedient and their labourers the cheapest on the market.

And of course, the clerics of whatever religion set up laws making them the only spokesmen for whatever God they are shoving down the publics throat.

And of course 'satan' is always the major business rival of the religious country.

The wonder is that people keep falling for all this even today, but hey, 'The great 'Satan' America is probably to blame for the peoples problems, not their crack head religion.
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Jeez comparing communism and fascism to atheism and claim they are the same thing. It's totally ludicrous and complete blunder that is unforgivable. God is the most extreme dictator. Christians have no right to point their fingers at Hitler, for he couldn't dream of being as oppressing as God. For God can peer into the thoughts of people and know when they are thinking sinfully. No one can escape his tyranny and surveillance. He keeps a record log of your actions to judge upon your death. Even in your death he will continue to punish you while that is the end of your punishment by any cruel bastard on the planet. But it's all just imagination and a stupid nightmare that isn't real.
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defibsrus
defibsrus: To be fair, much of the Bible is not systematically evil but just plain weird, as you would expect of a chaotically cobbled-together anthology of disjointed documents, composed, revised, translated, distorted and 'improved' by hundreds of anonymous authors, editors and copyists, unknown to us and mostly unknown to each other, spanning nine centuries.

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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: Some experts have a pretty good idea of who wrote it, when, why, and what it was influenced from. I started a youtube series on it, but haven't gotten past like video 5. They are all about an hour each. One by a professor who is Christian and another by a professor who is more secular. It's definitely interesting, but to hear that this ancient book of 2-3,000 years old isn't wholly original but actually influenced by even older and more ancient Babylonian stories written on tablets and stories passed around the pyramids in Egypt and the now extinct Hititte kingdom means they were all in the middle of some huge debacle, where they were forced to deal with the same dogma from their ancestors. It's kind of funny that a lot of these old ancient documents are still biased and not completely objective. So you'll hear opinions about other cultures that aren't even true. They just carved gossip and rumors in cuneiform and hieroglyphics.
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lori100
lori100: Vera Kistiakowsky (MIT physicist): "The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the divine."

-------------------Robert Jastrow (self-proclaimed agnostic): "For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries."
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ghostgeek
ghostgeek: So what is the divine and how did it come about?
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lori100
lori100: God is the divine, not sure how...
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Metaverseguy
Metaverseguy: You know a lot of people blame the political leaders of those eras for all the problems going on, but it seems like a scapegoat. Countries can recover from their trouble times. I saw a BMW the other day and thought to myself 'yea i can forget about the holocaust' for a little while. Then I did.

I don't get those old people that hang out at church every single day. Some people call me an extremist, but I think the word 'religion' should be erased from the dictionary. Then what will people do when fumbling for a word? It's not in the dictionary then it doesn't exist.
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