Near Death and Out of Body Experiences

lori100: wiki-----A near-death experience (NDE) is a personal experience associated with impending death, encompassing multiple possible sensations including detachment from the body, feelings of levitation, total serenity, security, warmth, the experience of absolute dissolution, and the presence of a light.----------------common traits that have been reported by NDErs are as follows:
A sense/awareness of being dead.[13][17]
A sense of peace, well-being and painlessness. Positive emotions. A sense of removal from the world.[13][17][18]
An out-of-body experience. A perception of one's body from an outside position. Sometimes observing doctors and nurses performing medical resuscitation efforts.[13][17][18][19]
A "tunnel experience" or entering a darkness. A sense of moving up, or through, a passageway or staircase.[13][17][19]
A rapid movement toward and/or sudden immersion in a powerful light (or "Being of Light" which communicates with the person.[17][18]
An intense feeling of unconditional love and acceptance.[18]
Encountering "Beings of Light", "Beings dressed in white", or similar. Also, the possibility of being reunited with deceased loved ones.[13][18][19]
Receiving a life review, commonly referred to as "seeing one's life flash before one's eyes".[13][17][18]
Receiving knowledge about one's life and the nature of the universe.[18]
Approaching a border,[17] or a decision by oneself or others to return to one's body, often accompanied by a reluctance to return.[13][18][19]
Suddenly finding oneself back inside one's body.[20]

lori100: Jane Seymour is an actress most noted for the cult classic movie, Somewhere in Time, with actor Christopher Reeves, and the television series Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman. When Jane Seymour was 36 years of age, she had a severe case of the flu and was given an injection of penicillin. She suffered an allergic reaction which led to a near-death experience.

"I literally left my body. I had this feeling that I could see myself on the bed, with people grouped around me. I remember them all trying to resuscitate me. I was above them, in the corner of the room looking down. I saw people putting needles in me, trying to hold me down, doing things. I remember my whole life flashing before my eyes, but I wasn't thinking about winning Emmys or anything like that. The only thing I cared about was that I wanted to live because I did not want anyone else looking after my children. I was floating up there thinking, "No, I don't want to die. I'm not ready to leave my kids." And that was when I said to God, "If you're there, God, if you really exist and I survive, I will never take your name in vain again." Although I believe that I "died" for about thirty seconds, I can remember pleading with the doctor to bring me back. I was determined I wasn't going to die."

Then Jane suddenly found herself back in her body.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX------British actress Elizabeth Taylor spoke about her experience of having died on the operating table while undergoing surgery, and of passing through a tunnel towards a brilliant white light. Interviewed by Larry King on CNN's Larry King Live, the legendary Hollywood star related how she had died for five minutes on the operating table. Ms. Taylor said that while she was clinically dead, she had encountered the spirit of Michael Todd, one of her former husbands, whom she referred to as her great love. She had wanted to stay with Todd, she said, but he had told her that she had work and life ahead of her, and he "pushed me back to my life." --------------In an interview with America's AIDS magazine, Liz described her NDE again: "I went to that tunnel, saw the white light, and Mike [Todd]. I said, Oh Mike, you're where I want to be. And he said, ‘No, Baby. You have to turn around and go back because there is something very important for you to do. You cannot give up now.' It was Mike's strength and love that brought me back."

defibsrus: Near death experiences are no different than near pregnant experiences.

lori100: not really..

defibsrus: You are one or the other, no person has ever died and came back except in fairy stories. Death has become a grey area for some people.

duncan124:

A lot of people have died and have returned to life thanks to modern drugs.

Died and were taken to the hospital in shopping bags. But fewer seem to have experienced a NDE

But on the other hand the ' wonder drug ' which could bring you back from a very nasty experience is with held because the NHSs plagiarized it and refused to admit they had it and then that they had brought cheap copies from Spain.

The less authoritarian the hospitals the more likely they were to have NDEs. And NDEs were never experienced in Germany.

duncan124:

What's the wonder drug got to do with NDEs? Well nothing.

Except that the Spanish also plagiarised other drugs, which includes one the UK NHS uses now, which were based on two older drugs used in treatment for people whose muscles were pulling the wrong way after a serious trauma. One was an antibiotic.

The new drug is just a powerful antibiotic and is based on balancing the medicine with the remaining tissue. It results in tissue loss.

NDEs name changed to something like More Life Yet and their history parted about then.

lori100: people have been clinically dead and came back...

duncan124:
Oh yes. Being cubed and put in to shopping bags is death.

I don't think you will find much about the new name for NDEs as they said that they could n't talk about it on the computer.

They felt that the computer was another machine against life.

defibsrus: Lori, you cannot reanimate dead tissue, "clinically" does not pertain to dead tissue, its inactive not dead to oversimplify it.
I know you and many others desperately want to believe otherwise.
People who claim to have NDE were nearly but not actually dead.

lori100: when the heart stops and is restarted you were dead

duncan124:

" Lori, you cannot reanimate dead tissue..."

Yes she could with either wonder drug.

And anyway the laws have always recognised that we don't know when someone is actually dead and can only take a good guess at it.

It has been found that healthy peoples hearts can stop for long periods and so can their
breathing.

Although there is less said about the breathing as the Germans will try to attack that person if they knew.

defibsrus: I wonder what planet you people originate from but on this one the medical profession is unquestionably sure when a person is dead. A heart that has stopped is quite capable of being restarted unless the myocardial muscle is dead. I have been present for many cardiac surgeries and was clinical lead in treating cardiac arrests that has an ROSC outcome. The heart may stop but the tissue is not quite dead.
To experience an NDE one has to be still alive, that`s why the term "near".is used.

lori100: not necessarily...anyway leaving the body and meeting dead relatives is common....

defibsrus: Try and meet real people, like a psychiatrist.

lori100: real people have been out of body

defibsrus: You mean "out of their heads", as a result of medication or lack of oxygen.

lori100: people in great health have traveled out of body on a regular basis...anyone can learn to do it..

chronology: OBEs will be taking on a whole new meaning when 'Full Immersion Virtual Reality' becomes widely available in around 10 years or so. Tho not to the extent of the Movie 'Surrogates' FIVR will provide an experience of being out of body to some extent. The main problem with FIVR is that it leads to disorientation, a person sitting with people he can see, hear and touch in Chicago may be slightly disorientated when he takes of the VR goggles, gloves, and headphones and is back in his apartment in Berlin.

FIVR is speculated to herald the end of travel as we know it today. once enough locations are FIVR friendly people will be sitting in coffee shops in San Francisco, Paris, New York and Sydney without leaving their homes.

Again an experience like the Movies 'Virtuosity' or 'Surrogates' is a long way off, but logging in to a person with VR friendly headsets and gloves, will allow people to tag along on nights out in New York and New Orleans and see touch and hear everything the person roaming those cities does.

lori100: can do that now out of body..

lori100: Peter Sellers was the comic genius of a generation of actors. He brought brilliant characterizations to numerous films, including "The Mouse That Roared" (1959), "Dr. Strangelove" (1964), "The Pink Panther" (1964), and "Being There" (1979). He was known for his enthusiastic way of totally absorbing himself in his characters, even carrying roles offstage. He also suffered from sad moods between films. While he knew his characters thoroughly, he said that he really did not know who he was. Then Peter Sellers, the brilliant, confused actor, had a near-death experience.

Seated in a Hollywood mockup of a limousine's back seat while shooting his last great film, "Being There", he told Shirley MacLaine about his near-death experience, astonished that she did not consider him "bonkers." In 1964, during the first of a rapid series of eight heart attacks, when his heart stopped and he was clinically dead, he had an out-of-body experience and saw the bright, loving light:

"Well, I felt myself leave my body. I just floated out of my physical form and I saw them cart my body away to the hospital. I went with it ... I wasn't frightened or anything like that because I was fine; and it was my body that was in trouble." (MacLaine,172)

The doctor saw that he was dead and massaged his heart vigorously, Meanwhile:

"I looked around myself and I saw an incredibly beautiful bright loving white light above me. I wanted to go to that white light more than anything. I've never wanted anything more. I know there was love, real love, on the other side of the light which was attracting me so much. It was kind and loving and I remember thinking 'That's God'". (MacLaine, 172)

Peter's out-of-body soul tried to elevate itself toward the light, but he fell short: "Then I saw a hand reach through the light. I tried to touch it, to grab onto it, to clasp it so it could sweep me up and pull me through it." (MacLaine,172) But just then his heart began beating again, and at that instant the hand's voice said: "It's not time. Go back and finish. It's not time." As the hand receded he felt himself floating back down to his body, waking up bitterly disappointed. (MacLaine,173)

What effect did his near-death experience have on Sellers? His biographer says that "The repeated act of 'dying' became for Peter Sellers the most important experience of his life." (Walker,158) Sellers said of death: "I'll never fear it again." Family and friends found him more spiritual and reflective than before:

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx-------Basic Instinct star, Sharon Stone, has told how she had a white light experience during her brain scare. Stone says she almost died after internal bleeding caused by a tear in an artery at the base of her skull. Sharon was interviewed by Katie Couric about her journey into the afterlife.

“When it hit me I felt like I'd been shot in the head. That's the only way I can really describe it. It hit me so hard it knocked me over on the sofa. And Phil was out of town and I called him and said, "I think I had a stroke." But in all fairness, I'm a person who's always saying, "I think I've had a stroke, I think I've had a heart attack, I think I've had a brain hemorrhage ... I had a real journey with this that took me to places both here and beyond that affected me so profoundly that my life will never be the same ... I get to be not afraid of dying and I get to tell other people that it's a fabulous thing and that death is a gift. And not that you should kill yourself, but that when death comes to you, as it will, that it's a glorious and beautiful thing. This kind of giant vortex of white light was upon me and I kind of - poof! Sort of took off into this glorious, bright, bright, bright white light and I started to see and be met by some of my friends. But it was very fast - whoosh! Suddenly, I was back. I was in my body and I was in the room.”

defibsrus: If Sharon stone and Peter sellers can come back from the dead,what's so special about the mythical Jesus?

lori100: he walked on water, raised the dead, performed miracles...

defibsrus: Harry Potter is more powerful.

lori100: nde's---------
Example 2: "I got up and walked into the hall to go get a drink, and it was at that point, as they found out later, that my appendix ruptured. I became very weak, and I fell down. I began to feel a sort of drifting, a movement of my real being in and out of my body, and to hear beautiful music. I floated on down the hall and out the door onto the screened-in porch. There, it almost seemed that clouds, a pink mist really, began to gather around me, and then I floated right straight on through the screen, just as though it weren't there, and up into this pure crystal clear light, an illuminating white light. It was beautiful and so bright, so radiant, but it didn't hurt my eyes. It's not any kind of light you can describe on Earth. I didn't actually see a person in this light, and yet it has a special identity, it definitely does. It is a light of perfect understanding does. It is a light of perfect understanding and perfect love.

"The thought came to my mind, 'Lovest thou me?'

"This was not exactly in the form of a question, but I guess the connotation of what the light said was, 'If you do love me, go back and complete what you began in your life.'"

"And all during this time, I felt as though I were surrounded by an overwhelming love and compassion."



Example 3: I knew I was dying and that there was nothing I could do about it, because no one could hear me ... I was out of my body, there's no doubt about it, because I could see my own body there on the operation room table. My soul was out! All this made me feel very bad at first, but then, this really bright light came. It did seem that it was a little dim at first, but then it was this huge beam. It was just a tremendous amount of light, nothing like a big bright flashlight, it was just too much light. And it gave off heat to me; I felt a warm sensation.

It was a bright yellowish white - more white. It was tremendously bright; I just can't describe it. It seemed that it covered everything, yet it didn't prevent me from seeing everything around me - the operating room, the doctors and nurses, everything. I could see clearly, and it wasn't blinding.

At first, when the light came, I wasn't sure what was happening, but then, it asked, it kind of asked me if I was ready to die. It was like talking to a person, but a person wasn't there. The light's what was talking to me, but in a voice.

Now, I think that the voice that was talking to me actually realized that I wasn't ready to die. You know, it was just kind of testing me more than anything else. Yet, from the moment the light spoke to me, I felt really good - secure and loved. The love which came from it is just unimaginable, indescribable. It was a fun person to be with! And it had a sense of humor, too - definitely!

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