Near Death and Out of Body Experiences (Page 3) SWlNE: Let's take into account that in NDEs, people are conscious and the mind is active. Let's also take into account that the mind can also make an old woman see a large crowd of people within her bedroom staring at her (Charles Bonnet Syndrome).  lori100: there is no evidence that the mind is in the brain...I have never seen a mind section of the brain shown....are you saying the mind is non-physical? SWlNE: Lori, what is your understanding of the mind? The mind to me is the thinking process of individuals. Where ideologies come from, deep thoughts come from. This comes from several parts of the brain because even a single thought is not a single entity, it is memory, problem solving, reasoning, insight, etc working into one output. Example, if I ask you your name, it is several things being done to have that one output: Memory, you have to remember what you are called, Problem Solving, you have to deduce that I mean your real name not your alias, Language: you have to tell it to me in English, Motor skills: you have to signal to your fingers to type it out to me. .. who knows what other processes needs to be done for that minor thing and it is quick. That's how beautiful it is. Various sections of the brain. Check the prefrontal cortex and the Temporal lobe along with many other parts of the brain, still yet to be dug into. The whole thing makes up what we call 'the mind'. In Ancient Egypt they did not see the importance of the brain, in mummification it was extracted. Wasn't even included in the natron. The heart was viewed as the source of intelligence. We know better than that now. To answer your question, if you're looking for 'the mind', check the brain as a whole. (Edited by SWlNE) SWlNE: If the mind is separate from the physical brain, what is your explanation for changes in thoughts, personality and reasoning when a person suffers from a physical damage to the brain? And these cases exist. Even cases of persons having a change in their accent. lori100: yes and people with multiple personalities have a personality with allergies and the others don't have it or one has bad eyesight and the others don't...it is not known why...the brain is damaged and doesn't function correctly...maybe the mind has taken over more in such cases...idk... lori100: Location of the mind remains a mystery | New Scientist https://www.newscientist.com/.../dn22205-location-of-the-... New Where does the mind reside? It’s a question that’s occupied the best brains for thousands of years. Now, a patient who is self-aware – despite lacking three regions of the brain thought to be essential for self-awareness – demonstrates that the mind remains as elusive as ever. The finding suggests that mental functions might not be tied to fixed brain regions. Instead, the mind might be more like a virtual machine running on distributed computers, with brain resources allocated in a flexible manner, says David Rudrauf at the University of Iowa in Iowa City, who led the study of the patient. Recent advances in functional neuroimaging – a technique that measures brain activity in the hope of finding correlations between mental functions and specific regions of the brain – have led to a wealth of studies that map particular functions onto regions. Previous neuroimaging studies had suggested that three regions – the insular cortex, anterior cingulate cortex and medial prefrontal cortex – are critical for self-awareness. But for Rudrauf the question wasn’t settled. So when his team heard about patient R, who had lost brain tissue including the chunks of the three ‘self-awareness’ regions following a viral infection, they immediately thought he could help set the record straight. Not a zombie According to the models based on neuroimaging, says Rudrauf, “patients with no insula should be like zombies”. But patient R displays a strong concept of selfhood. Rudrauf’s team confirmed this by checking whether he could recognise himself in photographs and by performing the tickle test – based on the observation that you can’t tickle yourself. They concluded that many aspects of R’s self-awareness remained unaffected. “Having interacted with him it was clear from the get go that there was no way that [the theories based on neuroimaging] could be true,” says Rudrauf. However, R does have severe amnesia, which prevents him from learning new information, and he struggles with social interaction. Self-awareness and other high-level cognitive functions probably do not relate to the brain in a simple way, says Rudrauf. “They involve layers of abstraction and mechanisms that cannot be explained by standard functional-neuroanatomy.” He suggests that there are fundamental mechanisms yet to be discovered. “We would all like simple answers to complicated questions, and we tend to oversimplify our conceptions about the brain and the mind,” he says. Linda Clare, a psychologist at Bangor University, UK, is also not surprised by the finding. “Awareness has many manifestations,” she says. “It’s not just a matter of a few brain cells.” ---------------------see? ..he should be a zombie , but is not... SWlNE: I'm not referring to mentally ill persons. Focus on what we're discussing. You state that the mind is separate from the brain. When a person's physical brain is damaged, it has been shown to affect 'the mind' or what you place as personality and reasoning. It has been already outlined by persons who study this field that the brain has various sections carrying out tasks that include reasoning, memory and other activities not related to only motor skills. This further shows that the brain is the mind. lori100: but it is relevant....why does one personality have physical changes and others don't?...it is a mystery...the brain is not the mind....scientists have not said that...you can put the brain on a plate...it is physical....where has anyone put a mind on a plate? SWlNE: It is not a mystery. Someone's personality comes from the brain, that is why when certain parts of the brain is damaged, a person's personality can also change from being kind to short tempered. That is why mentally ill persons can take brain altering drugs that affects their personality. Do you understand the function of the brain, lori? What functions do you think the brain is limited to? lori100: it is a mystery....science doesn't understand why one personality has physical changes and others don't ...why the allergy exists for one, then it disappears as the other personality appears...I think the mind operates through the physical brain but is not limited to it....why is the guy in my post ^^^ not a zombie...they expected he would be .....? the brain is limited,...when the body is damaged it might not work...but the mind does as shown by people out of body... (Edited by lori100) lori100: from my article^^^^ ---- Self-awareness and other high-level cognitive functions probably do not relate to the brain in a simple way, says Rudrauf. “They involve layers of abstraction and mechanisms that cannot be explained by standard functional-neuroanatomy.” He suggests that there are fundamental mechanisms yet to be discovered. “ -----even he says he can't understand how consciousness works.... (Edited by lori100) SWlNE: This makes no sense if you're going to repeat the same things without addressing any points made. I will ask one last time, what functions do you think the brain is limited to? Science may or may not be unsure on the deep details of personality but they do not deny that it comes from the brain. Hence why when studying it they study the brain itself. lori100: Scientists Seek Personality's Roots in Brain - ABC News abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=97961 "What we are wondering is, where does personality come from?" says John Gabrieli, associate professor of psychology at Stanford. -------------------why are they wondering if they know it is from the brain? lori100: wiki-----The biological basis of personality is the theory that anatomical structures located in the brain contribute to personality traits. .....----------------------theory....not fact....contribute...not create...... SWlNE: What are you talking about when you refer to 'limited to all physical processes'. Feeling empathy is not physical, yet it is suggested to occur in the anterior insular cortex. There is phenotype and genotype in genetics. SWlNE: Do you know what a theory is when it is said in a scientific setting? Here is some homework, Lori. 1) Research the term 'theory' when used in a scientific setting and the difference between that and the colloquial setting. 2) Read on the different sections of the brain and their function. lori100: Theory | Definition of Theory by Merriam-Webster www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/theory Merriam‑Webster an idea or set of ideas that is intended to explain facts or events. : an idea that is suggested or presented as possibly true but that is not known or proven to be ... SWlNE: There is no non-physical part. It is the physical parts that creates things you deem as non-physical like empathy and reasoning. There are parts of the brain for this. SWlNE: That is the colloquial meaning of the word. Now go and search what it means when used in a scientific setting. SWlNE: This is to help you out on the meaning of the term: http://www.livescience.com/21491-what-is-a-scientific-theory-definition-of-theory.html | Religion Chat Room 22 People Chatting Similar Conversations |