Is there something wrong with the concept of Unicorn? (Page 4)

chronology: I'll keep that in mind Zan. If I ever find out the Grim Reaper is looking for me I will go out and buy some booze.

Zanjan: Well, if you're not addicted, that would be a cheap drunk.

MetteFromFinland: // The point is, people need to be propped up, to kill the pain, to forget their troubles, to feel good. Drugs/ booze is a selfish and dangerous route; it's what they do when the end is near.

The same is true about religion, but not about the Unicorn.

Zanjan: Religion doesn't fry your brains or disable you.
Religion raises buildings and gives people legitimate jobs with meaningful duties.
Religion provides for the poor and shelters the lost.
Religion has been the inspiration for courageous explorations and development of science.
Religion is a do-over for many, many souls.

A connection with God brings joy and functionality; it adds knowledge, peace, and genuine friendship. Overall, it's the key to prosperity.

The unicorn represents unrealistic figments of imagination that quickly dissolve under test of truth. Yes, I'm going to be a princess when I grow up.

chronology: For goodness sake Zan. Religion has been the instigater of every vile sentiment of humanity. From the persecution of gays to promoting slavery.

deuce916: Religion has given Zanjan a voice in society to express her views so there must be something wrong with it.

Zanjan: Chron, no it hasn't.........for some reason, you're having great difficulty separating the individual from the texts, and the texts from the institutions. Furthermore, you're neglecting to separate religion from the State.

This doesn't bode well for you, Chron.

Governments represent the citizens - all of them, good and bad alike. It's by government say that anything is made legal or not - it sets its own values, being a reflection of society, in whatever condition it's in. When a government goes too far, the people rise up against it - has always been that way.

We're moving into a time where calling anyone or any country an "enemy" is no longer being tolerated, even at the highest levels of authority. Look how long it has taken mankind to catch on to one simple spiritual principle!

chronology: Well Zan I suppose religion gives people a feeling of comfort and reassurance about life, just as gambling and pornography give people a buzz or something.
Hey there will always be a for fringe human activities. Just don't go spreading hate about people.

Zanjan: And when did I ever do that??

chronology: Don't think you ever have Zan.

Zanjan: Chron: " I suppose religion gives people a feeling of comfort and reassurance about life"

It's not limited to that. If you've ever sat in on any religious talks/sermons, one thing always creeps through the same - the desire to heal the world, to save souls from destruction. This comes from deep empathy for the flailing, the lost, and suffering.

What sort of people would we be if we had the remedy for that but refused to offer it?

Zanjan: Recently, the local pastor gave a sermon on just that. He was speaking to an agricultural community so he used the "harvest" as his visual, saying "there's only a small window of time to harvest; wait too long and the crop is lost". He continued, "Now is the time of harvest".

Of course, I was amused, thinking to myself '2 thousand years is a small window of time?' Maybe I didn't hide my smile but I got the gist. It was his way of motivating his congregation to "get out there and talk to people".

From the congregation's point of view, one can appreciate that everyone has already heard of Jesus.......it's much more difficult to approach people when one has to skip the introduction because it's not news.

This is where other religions can help - just change the approach and work together. I'm reminded of Tecumseh's visual of the single arrow vs the bundle of arrows. Strength lies in unity - together, we can offer all the remedies, in one sweeping stroke.

Now, THAT would be news, yes?

As a Baha'i, I'm consecrated to this task - setting a fire under those in all religions - it's time to get moving.

chronology: I'll keep my opinion of churches to myself Zan. But if you claim to be a soul winner for some God you worship fine.

I have met Jehovahs Witness, Mormon, Hindu, Christian science, moonies and goodness knows whatelse who are just as vervant as you serving their God.

Like I say I don't disrespect any of you guy's.

Zanjan: Thank you for being so forthcoming. We each have our own ways to serve and, with all due respect, it's not people like you they're interested in so, not to worry.

This might lead one to ask, "Then who is GOD interested in?"

Well, He has told us many times. Briefly, it's those He knows there's still hope for. We, as mere humans, can't be the judge of that until they've turned their backs on us. That would be our cue to shake their dust off our feet and quietly move on.

There's gems to be mined and fertile ground to be plowed somewhere. No point in nursing dry bones. When they pass on to the next world, God will ask them "Did no one come to speak to you?" Of course, they can't say no........God provides for all.

Zanjan: The local pastor is retiring next month. He says he's burnt out. His plan is just to relax for six months then maybe do some subbing in for pastors on leave. I've had burnout - it doesn't take six months to recover - try years.

I'm still praying to have that talk with him in private while he's recovering. I have some better suggestions for what he can do with his free retirement years. If he's not amenable, then he's missed the bus - it wont swing by his way again. In that case, I'll thank him for the great lines I got from him and look forward to the new pastor's arrival.

chronology: Just to clear up Zan, are you saying all these other cults sects etc need to hear your revelations from your God to get up to speed to enjoy the big party in this next world you are going on about? Just what blissful pleasures have been promised you in the next life Zan? And what will all the other religions people miss out on by not harking to the words of Zan

Zanjan: Um, no.......the next world is where each individual will first stand in God's presence, each with their offering of what they did with their lives on earth. It's an accounting. That precedes God's placement for that soul in eternity. Some call it the final judgement because there's no do-over.

Contrary to popular opinion, you don't get anything more than you already had, other than the revelation of your true station/rank as it really is, for everyone to see. No extras. Undoubtedly, most will be surprised.

No, I was talking about life on earth, referring to large groups - that is, discussing and planning community collaboration to work on projects aimed at the unity of mankind. It's just a matter of inviting them on board to what has been and is already going on, in case they weren't aware.

That's for the here and now, and the future - be there or be square.

chronology: The words of Zan, straight from God to wireclubers. This Zan will be a milestone moment in the lives of many wireclubers, but still you never answered my question, how am I not surprised, what would you instruct members of other religions to make sure they are ready for the big day in the sky.

chronology: Another point Zan, yes it is disappointing to think in heaven there is no wealth given to people, yes Donald trump and other super rich people will have heaps of wealth added to their already huge wealth.

But what Americas elite will want to know from you Zan, is what currency is used in heaven. Yes is it dollars, or, pounds, maybe yen.

Now Zan, God's spokeswoman, you may say I am being trivial. Not so! Well shucks if you are going into minute detail in how discrimination works in heaven you would at least know what the currency is up there.

Zanjan: Chron, I answered your question. How much clearer could it be? Maybe you should just think about it for awhile.

If they don't understand how unity works, why would they be wanting to co-operate? I have no time for klutzes. Important work isn't undertaken by fumblers.

"you may say I am being trivial"

Not at all. I'd say you're being sarcastic. Eat a good breakfast in the morning, ok?

chronology: Well Zan I just polished off a pasty and fresh spinach with fresh tomato so am quite full thank you.

Am not being sarcastic at all, you say the rich will get richer in heaven, fair enough am just wondering how the cash transactions will be made and in what currency and which Bank their wealth will kept in. Nothing sarcastic in such thoughts if we take you at all seriously.



If Jesus asked Old Abe Lincoln what he likes most about Heaven the great man would probably say ' seeing so many of our Confederate Brother's and Sister's here, and being able to have a peaceful nights sleep not worrying about America ' Jesus may reassure old Abe the war, ' sometimes you have to destroy something to save it ' Jesus may say, and then tell Abe all about the Flood.

Zanjan: Chron : " you say the rich will get richer in heaven"

Where on earth did you get that from? The suggestion for you think on it for awhile included re-reading the post. That's a given. Also, *I'll* decide whether your attitude is acceptable to me or not. .

One can't take material things with them to a world that's not material. If you want anyone to take YOU seriously, show them you've actually read some scriptures before getting all huffy about sacred things.

"sometimes you have to destroy something to save it '"

Illogical. If a form is destroyed, it no longer exists.

When we re-build, we build on new ground - not on top of the rubble. Well, except for the Middle East, particularly Israel - traditionally, they've done things very oddly, building cities on top of conquered cities. They make their own hills - one place has 13 cities beneath its streets. Seems it was due to a shortage of land and unwillingness to re-locate.

Leaving the earth riddled with tunnels and caverns doesn't exactly make it earthquake-proof.

chronology: Well Zan I read you're posts again, and to my utter amazement I found you had edited them, well that was a surprise.

But Zan, as the self professed spokesperson for God here on wire you know what you know and say what you say, there is no quibble or debate there. The fact that what you say completely contradicts what Jehovahs Witness say, and Anglicans say, and Catholics and Baptists say, and they all contradict each other tells us something.

But 'yey verily Zan has spoken '

Zanjan: Chron, when I edit my posts, I don't change their original content - I change spelling errors, punctuation, and I replace a word if it was the wrong one. Mostly, I just create space for easier reading because I type live, on air. Nothing I post is contrived in advance. Everyone knows I rarely post one-liners.

Sometimes, I add new content if no one has posted after mine. Sometimes, people are trigger happy - posts can jump cue. The onus is on the poster to double check that and follow the thread of discussion.

The post in question didn't contain new content, just two separate, unchanged thoughts.

"as the self professed spokesperson for God"

I professed no such thing. This is your view of me. Again, without foundation.

I don't jive with contradictory people...they know that. However, I'm usually patient to explain something when someone is having honest trouble understanding. My patience does have a limit. So does God's.

chronology: Well Zan you have you're personal knowledge of God it seems, yes Zan is educating wire with the riches of her riches.

You say you don't bother with contradictory other religions, I always presumed you were the opposite.

As for America having to use force at times, well Zan, if they sent young girls from Washington High schools out with Legal Papers, be it to Wako or Afghanistan, I doubt many of the girls would return to Washington accept in body bags, unfortunately Washington needs to send the decisions of the American people or U.N. via well armed messengers.

Maybe Congress could try preaching to the world like the cook preached to the sharks in Moby Dick. A homily about ' not tearing the blubber from each others mouths ' again, it is unlikely aggressive people would listen.

Now Zan we await you're words, you claim they are the very words God would speak, speak on Zan, speak on.