WHAT is SIN ? (Page 5)

David Nathaniel
David Nathaniel: The "Satan" serpent-sin, being a constituent of human nature, is treated of in the scripture in the aggregate, as well as in its individual manifestations. The "lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life", generated in our nature by sin, and displayed in all the children of sin, taken in the aggregate constitute "the world" which stands opposed to God. Serpent-sin in the flesh is the god of the world, who possesses the glory of it. Hence, to overcome the world is to overcome the Wicked One; because sin finds its expression in the things of the world. These things are the civil and ecclesiastical polities, and social institutions of the nations, which are based upon "the wisdom that descendeth not from above" -- the serpent wisdom of the flesh. If this be admitted, it is easy to appreciate the full force of the saying, "The friendship of the world is enmity against God. Whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God" (James 4:4). Let no more, then, who would have God's favour, seek the honour and glory of the world in Church or State; for promotion in either of them can only be attained by sacrificing the principles of God's truth upon the altar of popular favour, or of princely patronage. Let no man envy men in place and power. It is their misfortune, and will be their ruin; and though many of them profess to be very pious, and to have great zeal for religion; yea, zeal as flaming as the scribes and Pharisees of old; they are in friendship with the world, which in return heaps upon them its riches, and honour, and therefore they are the enemies of God. Wherever the gospel of the kingdom is supplanted by sectarian theology, there is a stronghold of "the carnal mind, which is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be" (Rom. 8:7). This is a rule to which there is no exception; and the grand secret of that formality, coldness, and spiritual death, which are said to paralyse "the churches". They are rich in all things, but the truth; and of that there is a worse than Egyptian scarcity.
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David Nathaniel
David Nathaniel: The kingdom of Satan is manifested under various phases. When the Word was embodied in sinful flesh, and dwelt among the Jews, the Kosmos was constituted of the Roman world, which was then based upon the institutions of paganism. After these were suppressed, the kingdom of the adversary assumed the Constantinian form, which was subsequently changed in the west to the Papal and Protestant order of things; and in the east to the Mohammedan. These phases, however, no more affect the nature of the kingdom than the changes of the moon alter her substance. The lord that dominates over them all from the days of Jesus to the present time is SIN, the incarnate accuser and adversary of the law of God, and therefore styled "the Devil and Satan".
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Have you ever thought of using paragraphs? They separate one idea from another instead of running it all into a soupy, regurgitated splatter.
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: Paragraphs......hmmmmmm, interesting concept
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tularcitas
tularcitas: I don't see myself as a sinner...perception is everything.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Yet you know if you've committed a sin, right?
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Zan, let's tickle our brains with this.. what if it all boils down to, how one is raised?
Then comes who we hang with and who we dont?
Then, what is acceptable and what isnt?
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tularcitas
tularcitas: Zan...I imagine you see having actual physical sex with someone out side of marriage as a sin? What about cyber sex?
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tularcitas
tularcitas: What if you are making love with your spouse but thinking of someone else? Sin?
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Adultery
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tularcitas
tularcitas: Well...then most married people commit adultry, imo,
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Well, guess they dont honor. I dont know what to say. I never messed around. Guess it depends on right and wrong stances in life. The next question is, why bother marrying someone or even committing? This reminds me of a story, a knew a girl who knew someone, he went out and met someone, they ended up at his place, the next morning when he went to his bathroom, written on the mirror in lipstick was... Welcome to the world of aids!

People wonder why we are so screwed up? It starts with home and lack of values for life, not honoring or respecting other human beings. Sad world we live in.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Cena: "what if it all boils down to, how one is raised?"

On becoming an adult, we have the ability to circumvent almost any situation. This is why a man must leave his parents -> so he can't blame/credit them for everything he does as a man.

I have three birth defects. Yet I have the means to obviate these shortcomings; if I didn't, I'd have been dead many years ago. I'm still ticking away because I took responsibility and applied myself to wise management.

Mine were twisted, dysfunctional parents - the only wisdom I gained from them is what NOT to do. As an adult, I stepped out of that toxic environment, left them behind, and developed my own life from scratch. I had to learn on my own what one SHOULD do.

This is not to say I don't have any scars - indeed, they're thick and remind me of my successes.

How wonderful if a child had the good fortune to be brought up by healthy parents - this offspring need not spend years of his life, set aside to breaking hearts and sewing up damage.

He can begin contributing to society even as a child. As an adult, he has great advantages - he doesn't build his nest with sharp sticks or rocks but with moss and soft feathers to cuddle his own little ones.

However, no one escapes the world's weather system. If I had to put my bet anywhere, my money is on the one who was brought up under a lot of hardship - that one is the most resilient and durable in the face of the storm.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Tularcitas, how odd that the primary sin you think of is about sexuality.

Yes, extramarital sex is a sin to those who know it's wrong. That includes any expression of a sexual nature. Civilized bachelorhood is based on chastity and trust, while marriage is an institution, founded on commitment and fidelity.

None of the above have anything to do with fantasies. Figments of imagination have no meaning to anyone except the bearer. With respect to the civilized, their fantasies would be more refined, absent of negativity.

The divine art of living necessitates purity of thought and intention, embedded as a HABIT. Any fantasy outside of that would naturally feel repulsive to the altruistic. Thus, fantasy is not necessarily in the form of a 'temptation' to break a law.

By the way, any sin can be rectified if the sinner wants it to be. There's no final judgment on a mistake. We all get more than a few opportunities to right our ship - mistakes are a means to gain the deepest understanding. Once one fully understands, they wont commit that sin again, ever.
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: How would you describe a situation, where you courted and married a girl who had told you that as a 15 yr old she was raped by a black man and made pregnant and her parents had it terminated, yet you undestood and were compassionate to her ordeal and chose to be strong and stand by her forever.
Fast foward 30 years, this girl,after having 3 children and 27 years of marriage runs off to be with her childhood sweetheart who, incidentally, was the black man who "raped" her at 15, leaving me to console our devastated kids and draw them to me to heal their hurt..... was it wrong to feel betrayed and feel that our marriage was just a big lie?

How much sin did that invovlve?
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cloudygrey33
cloudygrey33: Hey Beaver- From a dad who has gone through some tough shit with an ex- Like seriously tough shit. I empathize and feel your pain, my friend. Sorry you and your family are going through that.
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Plumpcherry
Plumpcherry: Everything we do in life. Life
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Angry Beaver
Angry Beaver: All in the past now cloudy.... sun now shines 😁
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Angry, as a young lad, you'd placed your complete trust in someone who wasn't worthy of it (regardless of her past). The consequences of that spelled unmitigated disaster. It's a heavy lesson but I'm sure you learned it well enough not to repeat it.

As much as you enjoyed each other for a time, her own heart and motivations had always been her first priority - somehow, you'd outlived your usefulness to her long before those 27 years; surely you'd have had some hints about that.

This is your story, not hers. Thus, who she ended up with is neither here nor there - her affections hadn't belonged to you for a long time.

Unfortunately, some children never heal from their parents' divorce; you wont catch on to this until much later when they're full-blown adults. One parent always has more influence over one child than another - the parent's feelings about their ex-spouse travel down to them.

This becomes most evident if the parent should re-marry. One of the children is definitely going to hold a grudge against their re-married parent and that will be played out by punishing their parent in some way, often using the grandchildren as their playing card.

I bet you've heard some couples claim they had an amicable divorce and are still friends. I say the story isn't over - they've just passed it on to their children and grandchildren.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: I expect this is one of the things Jesus was thinking about when He said that divorce was to be discouraged; however, if a couple divorced, they were forbidden to remarry. I suppose that would have prevented such childish responses to the split up.

Remember, those were times when people had to be told - to the exact day - how long they should grieve a loss!

However, we're generally more developed in modern times - divorced parents are better equipped to educate their children on the meaning of love, forgiveness, and how to spread good will. We don't have to repeat age-old patterns......just ONE person can break the mold.
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Plumpcherry
Plumpcherry: Amen 🙏🏿
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firstdown857
firstdown857: Is Jesus Responsible for Our sins?

Humans are born without (original sin of man) according to the Bible:
(Deuteronomy 24:16): "The father shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin."
(Jeremiah 31:30), "But every one shall die for own iniquity..."
(Ezekiel 18:20) "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."
So Adam and Eve were responsible for their own sins.
Even in the New Testament:
(Matthew 19:14): "But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
(I Corinthians 3:8)"Now he that planteth and he that waterth are one; and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour"
(Matthew 7:1,2)"Judge not, that ye be not Judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again"
“Each man should look to his conduct; if he has reason to boast of anything, it will be because the achievement is his and not another’s. ......... A man will REAP ONLY what he SOWS.” Galatians 6:4 - 7
"Each of us shall give an account of himself to God." Romans 14:12
"Each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor." 1Corinthians 3:8
"Also to you O Lord, belong mercy; for you render to each one according to his work." Psalms 62:12
"And will he not render to each man according to his deeds?" Proverbs 24:12
"The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself." Ezekiel 18:20
If each man reaps what he sows, how can Jesus be the savior ? How could he have taken on the sins of mankind and negated them ? Only the One who accepts repentance and wipes out sins can do that. Indeed throughout the Old Testament, God ALONE is referred to as the SAVIOR. See , 2 Samuel 22:1-3 , and Isaiah 43:3-11
In Isaiah, God Himself speaks, saying clearly that He ALONE is the SAVIOR:
“For I am the Lord, your God, the Holy One of Israel, your SAVIOR....It is I, the Lord; there is NO SAVIOR BUT ME...” Isaiah 43:3 &11
HE repeats this categorical statement in Hosea:
“I am the Lord, your God, since the land of Egypt; You know no God besides me, and there is NO SAVIOR but me.” Hosea 13:4
There is also a related concept, the idea of a “REDEEMER”. This word has also been exclusively used for God in the Old Testament, e.g. Isaiah 44:24 and Isaiah 60:16
“You shall know that I, the Lord am your SAVIOR, your REDEEMER, the mighty one of Jacob.” Isaiah 60:16
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Zanjan
Zanjan: That's all conditional upon one's genuine repentance.

Admit you messed up, you fell away from God and did things your way but now you're regretting that. Have you really had a change of heart? Call out to God to rescue you; just remember that you can't be saved if you don't grab onto the rope. If you go for it, expect rope burns. Yet what's the alternative? Better to have sore hands than a grave.
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firstdown857
firstdown857: 😀 GOOD QUESTION :- All liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone. Revelation 21:8

And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life. Revelation 21:27
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firstdown857
firstdown857: LIE IS SIN
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