Deutoronomy "Prophet"

Cenababy
Cenababy: In Deutoronomy 18, people like to "say" that God is talking about a New Prophet, most Muslims are taught that the new prophet is Muhammad, if we study closely and look at what "brethern" means, clearly it is NOT who they think. Look at the below...

Deuteronomy 18:15-19English Standard Version (ESV)
A New Prophet like Moses

15 “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen— 16 just as you desired of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly, when you said, ‘Let me not hear again the voice of the Lord my God or see this great fire any more, lest I die.’ 17 And the Lord said to me, ‘They are right in what they have spoken. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. And I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him. 19 And whoever will not listen to my words that he shall speak in my name, I myself will require it of him. This book is Moses final words to the Israelites.

Look further: Muhammad claimed that the Bible foretold his prophethood. Today many Muslim apologists claim that the term "brethren" in Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18:18, could include anyone who is a descendant of Abraham. They believe that since Muhammad was an assumed descendant of Ishmael, Abraham's first son, then Muhammad qualifies as a 'brother' to the Israelites, and is indeed the prophet who Moses foretold in Deuteronomy 18:18.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: The New Testament tells us that Jesus is the prophet Moses foretold (Acts 3:22). Let's examine the biblical evidence and see if Muhammad has a claim to be the prophet foretold by Moses.

To begin with, the term used for 'brethren' is used in a variety of ways in the Old Testament, (Taurat, Zabur). What must be addressed is the context for the term 'brethren'. If the context of how it is used means anyone loosely related to the Israelites, then perhaps it is possible that Muhammad could be the prophet. If the context means that the future prophet is to be an Israelite, then Muhammad could not be that prophet.

one sense, since Muslims and Christians believe that all humans are descendants of Adam and Eve, then all of us are brothers and sisters. But Muslims insist that the meaning of "brethren" in the Deuteronomy 18:18 verse is one who is a descendant of Abraham, not Adam. Is their definition valid? What is the context for the use of the term "brethren" in the Old Testament, and specifically, Deuteronomy?
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Cenababy
Cenababy: Here are three different ways the term 'brethren' is used in Deuteronomy:

1) used for relating the 12 tribes together,
2) used to relate the Levites amongst themselves as brothers, as in 18:7
3) used to relate the Israelites to the Edomites, as in 2:4.
I did research into the way the term 'brethren' is used throughout the Old Testament. I found that the Hebrew word is 'awkh'. It generally means 'a brother' used in the widest sense of literal relationships, and metaphorically, having an affinity or resemblance. 'awkh' is also translated (in the King James Version - I'm using a Strong's King James Version concordance) 'another' as in 1 Chr 26:12, ('relatives' in New International Version), as 'like' in Ezekiel: 18.10, and as 'other' in Genesis 13:11.

Hebrew lexicon also reinforced Strong's definition. It states that the word can be translated in various ways: 1) as brother, meaning born of the same mother, 2) indefinite relative, a kinship in a wider sense, as in Lot being a 'brother' of Abraham in Genesis 13:8... Lot was Abram's nephew, not literal brother, or the Israelite tribes being brothers, or as in Israel and Edom being brothers, and likewise for Israel and Judah.
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Cenababy
Cenababy: As we can see, Moses farewell address to the JEWS, he is telling them that the Messiah is/will come to them. Clearly this is about Jesus and not a muslim.

My take is, I cannot understand how and why they get their opinion that out of Israel a Muslim would be a prophet! Keep studying, keep reading, there is a lot of talk on this. Hope this helps to explain the meaning of Moses farewell!
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HydroMan
HydroMan: The words “from your midst” and “from your brethren” are simply referring to Jesus as a fellow Israelite (brethren) who came from Judah, one of the 12 tribes of Israel (midst)
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Cenababy
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Zanjan
Zanjan: God told Abraham that ALL the Prophets to come would be descended from him - it's confined to the direct family tree of the Prophets, as a genetic line of Spiritual Kings.

This is why names were very carefully kept by descendants from Holy Families. They married fairly close, like any royal family, both to make it easier to track genealogy and to preserve the particular genes, ensuring they would be carried forward as a cluster.

Abraham was Hebrew by Faith, from an area located in modern day Iraq. Thus, He was Persian, not an Israelite. From our place in time, the point of issuance would be indicative of rootstock, rather than nationality. So, even if you didn't know any names in a claimant's family tree, that eliminates Chinese, Polynesians, Inuit, etc.

Using this promise alone, Moses was eligible, so was Jesus and Muhammad, the Bab and Baha'u'llah. While their sibling brothers were also eligible, that doesn't mean they qualified as a Founder-Prophet. More proofs will be needed to narrow that down by using additional prophecies in the Bible.

God numbered how many descendants there would be - countless, apparently. Well, we're only concerned with a few, Who followed in succession.
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Zanjan
Zanjan: Now we see the reason Genesis had that long list of "begats" in deep time - names that mean zero to any of us but God thought it was important for Them to be recognized, honored and remembered. This is God's method in the past and will continue to be in future.

To buttress that, we see this going forward as more evidence that Moses was a true Prophet: When He made His prophecy, regarding "brethren", He was conveying three things:

1. The Founder-Prophet issues from the matrix of a previous religion of God.
2. Specific clues regarding the One who would issue from the dispensation of Moses
3. A guarantee that this One would glorify Moses.

Since Moses used the term "brethren", in conjunction with the explanation that this ONE would come from among *them* - the followers He was addressing - we understand He would be born into a Jewish family. That would be correct.

Moving forward in time, we see Jesus doing exactly the same three things; the only difference is He didn't use the term "brethren". We could ponder why.

Perhaps it's not necessary that the next One is always born into the same religion as the Speaker of the prophecy; it may have been just an Age-appropriate wisdom of God that Jesus was.

The Bible certainly DID foretell Muhammad - that's a different prophecy. Look for it.
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Zanjan
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S W l N E
S W l N E:
You should speak to a muslim, Cena to get exactly the points used.

I've spoken to one and it was John 1:21 which was used and John 16:7.

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Zanjan
Zanjan: Maybe speak to another Muslim.........the first citation is not a prophecy to the future. It refers to a Jewish prophecy fulfilled of the Herald of a new religion, specifically, John the Baptist for Jesus. Muhammad wasn't a Herald - He was a Founder.

The second citation could be applied to any future Revelator - depends on which one the individual accepts. So, this is pretty vague, considering the long span of time between Them.

The statement's main point is the guarantee that another with the same rank as Christ would come and deliver a more expansive Revelation. That's true for all Prophet-Founders because the religion of God is progressive. God never changes His ways.

So, if you want to hang on the phrase "All truth", that would depend on one's own capacity. As it's written, "everything superfluous flows over from a full mind" . If, on the other hand, it's applied to all mankind's religions, that would not be Muhammad - it would be Baha'u'llah.

For Muhammad, I suggest you begin with something more specific, like the 12 Gates in the Book of Revelations. Islam had 12 spiritual leaders - Imams by blood lineage, descended from Muhammad. No other religion had this. You'll also find a description of its flag.

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