Satan a Serpent in Genesis? (Page 3) Zanjan: On the serious side, Job was a real person, descended from Shem; he lived in the land of Uz, which was beyond the Euphrates and thought to be located in the territory of Edom. That's a long walk from Turkey but doable. Christ conversed with God as well as Satan - geographical location is irrelevant. (Edited by Zanjan)  Blackshoes: A Number Of Biblical Scholar believe before Adam Sin . "Myself included " Many of the Animal spoke ? Or It could had been due too Eve Innocent nature, before the fall ? Even though the Bible does not mention it ' Eve was not surprised or did she consider it Odd that the serpent Spoke Also there were far fewer Species back then than today Note all dogs today are decedents of Wolves Yes: the snake had limbs before God curse them I mean really 'If a Snake started discussing the weather this morning 'I'm sure most of us, would pee our pants  (Edited by Blackshoes)  (Post deleted by Cenababy ) (Post deleted by Blackshoes ) (Post deleted by Cenababy )  (Post deleted by Cenababy )  tinkerbellfaery: Who wrote the Bible?, or should I say who authored it, and edited it? in the whole Bible how many animals spoke? Answer: - There were two animals in the Bible that spoke with people in the human language -- The serpent and Balaam's ass. Says a lot! (Edited by tinkerbellfaery) (Post deleted by Cenababy ) Angry Beaver: So religion is basically based on someone talking through his ass? Oh and his snake... (Post deleted by Cenababy ) Blackshoes: What's truly crazy is the ignorance those show in blaming a color, creed ,religion ,or nationality', for all of the sins, and wrongs of the world . It 's little less that Racism Religion is a teaching ! No less that Evolution is teaching .. Most all religions teach that God says to love one another ! What the students do with whatever their taught is Up to them ! If I had dollar for every time someone points thier ignorant finger of judgement on anything  (Edited by Blackshoes)  tularcitas: Adam and Eve lived in a tropical Paradise....Here are my queries....Why did G-d put the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden in the first place and then have a prohibition about eating the fruit? Couldn't G-d just as easily kept the tree out of the Garden? If G-d is omniscient, then wouldn't he have known that his creations, Adam and Eve, would not be able to handle temptation? Couldn't G-d have made a better product in Adam and Eve? If G-d is omnipotent, did he not have the power to keep Satan out of the Garden?  (Post deleted by Cenababy ) Zanjan: Tularcitas: ".Why did G-d put the Tree of Knowledge in the Garden in the first place and then have a prohibition about eating the fruit?" It doesn't say that........first, it says TREES (plural); all fruits on the Trees of Life are good to eat. There's nothing "tropical" about the Garden or anything in it - it's the Garden of God. They are Trees of the Knowledge of God. You're thinking of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil - its fruits are poisonous. This is the natural way of humans, where good will be seen as evil, and evil will be portrayed as good - that is, 'whatever works to my personal advantage is good, what doesn't is evil". The poison is selfishness. It's in the Garden because one can't have the Kingdom of God without the Kingdom of Man. God gave us free will so its there and is harmless to the lovers of God; no evil can happen to the individual if one just looks at the tree, only if one partakes of it. As long as one remains detached from it, they don't live with evil. God knows what every human will do - humans don't. It's not until they're forbidden something that they'll find out how strong or weak they are. (Post deleted by Cenababy ) Blackshoes: The reason ! By some one how knows what he talking about " When God put Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, they were both innocent and good. Yet, God allowed Satan into the Garden knowing that Satan would tempt Eve and that they would both end up sinning. Why did he do that? On my radio show, an atheist called in and tried to trap me by posing a moral dilemma. He was smart enough not to appeal to his own atheistic moral standard, so he tried a different tact. He asked if I believed it was wrong to put a murderer and child molester in a room with a child, knowing how bad the guy was and knowing what could happen. I said that it would be wrong to do so. He then applied that to God allowing Satan in the Garden and how that it is also wrong because God knew what would happen. Unfortunately, the criticism doesn't work. Here's why. First of all, Adam was not a child. He was a grown man. He had, to some degree, knowledge of right and wrong because God had told him not to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. In other words, Adam had been given a Law to follow that in itself included the option to obey or disobey. That is what the issue is about, not physical size in comparing a full-grown bad guy and a small defenseless child. Adam made a moral choice, a wrong choice. So, the analogy doesn't work. Second, let's work with the analogy and make it a little more accurate. Would it be okay to put a grown man in a room with a murderer? Why not, if the man were strong and capable, etc.molestor? I've been in rooms with murderers when I did prison ministry. Was that wrong? No. Furthermore, all that happened in the Garden between Satan and Eve was a discussion. So, let's modify the analogy a little more. Would it be okay to put a murderer in a room with a man if the only thing that could happen was they were going to have a conversation? I see no problem with that--even if you know the bad person is very clever. But don't forget, to maintain the analogy the "good" person knows full well what the right choice is supposed to be. So, he is not defenseless or helpless. Third, applying my opinion about a bad man and a child to the issue of God's allowing Satan to talk to Eve does not invalidate the morality of what God did. The atheist would have to establish that it was morally wrong for God to allow the devil to tempt Eve. But how is he going to do that? If he appeals to the Bible for his standard, that won't work. Because according to the Bible, God does no wrong, and He has His reasons for allowing people to be tempted. If the atheist appeals to his own reason, then he's only expressing his opinion. Fourth, God didn't cause Adam to sin. Adam freely chose when presented with the fruit from his wife to rebel against God. Adam fell because he freely chose to disobey God, but second because he listened to his wife who had also freely chosen to disobey. It was a choice that they both made in full knowledge of what was right and wrong. It is not an issue of molester in the same room with a kid. Fifth, if someone doesn't like the idea that God knew they would be tempted and would fall and therefore says it was wrong for God to let it happen, then what he would be requesting is that God not allow people to fall into sin, no matter what. Think about it. Freedom of choice means that temptations will occur. Robots with no free will are not tempted. They can only respond according to their programming. But Adam and Eve were different. Being made in the image of God, they had free will which, for them, necessitated the option of rebellion, an option that was provided by the devil. If it hadn't been he, it would have been something else later on! Furthermore, if a person says that God should have stopped Satan from tempting Eve, then shouldn't that same person be consistent and say that God should stop all evil? Why stop at with the Devil in the Garden? Shouldn't the person also want God to stop all murders, all rapes, all lies, and all evil thoughts? Shouldn't he then remove the ability from anyone and everyone regarding the free will choice to rebel and do what's wrong? After all, at what point do you want to stop and say this bad thing is okay to occur but that thing is not? Finally, why did God let Satan into the Garden knowing what would happen? Because it was His will to do so. Just as it is our will to see how our children will respond to situations knowing that they will fail, we do so because that is what it means to grow, to learn, to exercise one's free will, and to take responsibility for our actions." by Matt Slick 11/08/11  Cenababy: Good one shoes lets simplify. Lol jk. That was good. Q. If you have taught your child to not touch electrical outlets, does the child then have a choice? Are you to remove all outlets? Or should they choose to obey knowing you know or should they suffer the consequences of their own actions.? Really easy to want to take all accountability away according to some. Blackshoes: If you look at everything God has done through out His Word .. accountability is a major factor .. Zanjan: Quoting "Slick" : "Adam was not a child. He was a grown man. He had, to some degree, knowledge of right and wrong" Adam was the first Manifestation of God, the first Revelator - a pure and stainless soul of the highest order. He had no ego, no choice but to do God's Will. As the first Mediator between the world of God and the world of man, He repeated what God said to humankind. He never disobeyed God because He was made of different stuff than humans. He was alone. The followers of Adam's religion took His name; in this religion's early years, His followers were saintly, walking with God, but later became disobedient. Since they couldn't bear direct criticism, they cast their sins on Adam, just as Moses shouldered the blame for his mule-headed followers. Sound familiar? That dynamic is represented by Eve, the two-faced human soul. When the followers have lost the Spirit, they have no place in Paradise so, they can't get in. No murder took place in the Garden and spiritual dynamics never change. " If the atheist appeals to his own reason, then he's only expressing his opinion." Just like Slick did. He probably believes that Adam and Eve were the first two humans. 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